Pos Climb

I have seen several posts that you have posted in pprune!! And u sure like to pay money for your job!! Let me tell u that it doesn't work like this. If u really have money why don't u come and cut my grass at my yard for 15000 US dollars and I get u a job. I'm serious, I'm not a recruiter, but I have connetion overseas (Africa).

SimC
 

Hey I am going in July..do you wanna do the course together?Lets save money!:)email me..david.j.jurgens@gmail

Anonymous6, thanks. I was allready aware of that but thanks anyway for telling it here in the forum.

I was just wondering about Indigo too since I think that this is a great oppertunity to start with.

TFD

AirJae... there are a million different type rating providers and believe me I've researched them all.

Regarding the hour building portion, job portion, none of them will give me a straight answer... Answers I've got have all been evasive and vague.

I appreciate a lot of it is out of their control, but at the same time I think they're using it as a "Carrot" just to sign you up.

I like making money, not throwing it down the toilet.

A lot of guys have lost money in the past on these "buy-a-job" schemes, so it's important that people considering this program not be wearing their aviation "beer goggles" when looking at their merits.

Why can't Indigo bond people or at least pre-screen them before they go in for the type rating?

PosClimb to answer your question on " Why can't Indigo bond people or at least pre-screen them before they go in for the type rating? "

1.) They know that no one is really "that good". Where they disqualify you is when you do your upgrade to FO. If you don't pass that then you're out. No use testing you now if you don't pass the line check.

2.) Remember, you paid for your own type rating. Only airlines paying for your rating would do this pre-selection screening to make sure they are not wasting their money on your training. If you don't make it then it's your money down the drain. They hired you just to fill the requirement.

3.) If you paid for your own TR and YOU PASS the type check, then that qualifies you and you have everyright to be hired.

Not everybody who goes through TR will pass. It depends on one's ability, experience and training. It has a very high mortality rating.
I've even heard of an airline ( not mentioning names) sending a batch of their new hires to these TRs and the WHOLE BATCH FAILING.

The airline had to hire a TRI to re-train them again just because they have already invested their money to these supposed junior FOs.
Of course, most of it is a reflection of the quality of instruction and instructors. This shows that a pre-selection is ineffective on how one will perform in the future.


8BAll

p.s. hi there deltasix - howz the B777 TR ? sick of A330s yet ?

CAE charges 24,000 USD but no jet introduction bull****. Unless your a complete idiot you will pass their On the Job training. Even if you dont after 300 hours on type your golden to go to any other gig.
Good Luck

A320 Training Partner
 

I am looking for a training partner starting around June 20-25 for PremAir in Seattle. Sim will be in PHX or MSP.

Like everyone else I have plans to go to IndiGO. PM me.

Anonymus6 - yes but JAA license is a requirement.

Where did you see that 3,000 hr requirement for exemption to JAA exams to convert ?

Hi pfd99,

The structure is in the website. If memory serves me right, it is:

68 hrs Ground School

25 hrs - FBS ( Fixed Base Simulator )

19 hrs - FFS ( Full Flight Simulator ) --- now, I think this is 19 left and 19 right ( total 38 hrs ) -- or I could be mistaken.

But I agree, well short of the usual Airbus training.

8 Ball

No JAA Requirment for Indigo. Just a Valid license and type plus common sense.
Experience would help also.

Since now that it's out in the public what Indigo is doing, I wonder if there's going to be room for them to hire every typed A320 guy who applies.

Seems like this program is generating a lot of interest, and a lot of people are rolling the dice and buying a type rating with nothing guaranteed at the end.

If you have flight time and prior jet experience your not rolling the dice. if you have 1000 total time 500 multi maybe. One piece of advice you cannot be selfish when it come to sharing job info. what comes around goes around.

Just wanted to let you guys know that, IndiGo is not the only airline in India that have started something called Second Officer. Jetairways, Kingfisher, paramount and several others have started a scheme called SO program and after 300 tt on type you will be a FO.

There is a big shortage in India as you guys know and the demand keep growing, Just keep applying to various agencies or airlines.

And one more thing take advantage of these oppurtunites. It is a major flight instructor shortage around the world and several Indian students are sitting on the ground at flight schools and not flying.:E

That's good news Anonymus6 - well done. I knew it will eventually come to this.

Just a bit more info, some of these airlines fly the B738 so take your pick.
If everybody is crowding to get the A320 TR then there will definitely be a shortage of B738 pilots down the track.

Hey, I even got an offer to fly the B734 in another asian country but declined it due to pay. They were offering free B734 TR. Pay is $1,000 US/mo. if you can survive it. Sure job though but you have to be a citizen of that country.

If there is such a "shortage" in India, why don't the Indian carriers pay for the type rating?

To me it strikes me as rather absurd that you can have companies complaining about not being able to find workers when they expect their workers to pay for legitimate company expenses.

Oh, well, such is aviation :p Love it or leave it.

That rant aside, what is the expected "shelf life" of expat FO's in India?

I imagine that the second you can be replaced with a local, you will be.

How many Indians are doing CPL training right now? I guess knowing that would give you an idea of your shelf life over there.

Tenure
 

PosClimb - to answer your question about shelf life ( it sounds like we're a supermarket product ) -- I guess not long if the Indian airlines will start paying for their citizen's type rating. It might happen eventually but who knows when. Just focus on what you are there for and let the future sort itself out. You only need around 500 hrs to be marketable all over the world- remember that. But I'm sure that if you do well, they'll consider renewing your contract for 2-3 more years.

Remember, nothing is permanent, except the word CHANGE. Nuff said.


8 Ball

Who would want to stay in India more than 3 years anyway. Getyour time and leave and stop being so negative. you sound canadian

" you sound canadian"

Now that was a low blow.... :bored:

BUSTRASH - Give PosClimb a break. He is justifiably inquisitive and wary of these things because the aviation industry is full of traps and heartbreak.

Lets have none of that being racially specific in our comments. You might get branded a racist. You don't want to make enemies just because you misunderstood him.

Okay - to all those going for the 10th of July type rating -- see you all there !!!

Goodluck to everyone

8 Ball

Thanks 8-Ball,

There are a lot of crooks and liars in aviation I've learned who will gladly take your money... some of the flying schools - type rating providers are no exception so you really need to be sharp.

Good point about not 'dissing the Canadians. You can never be too careful with them. All those years being subservient to the United States, and they just may attack you in the middle of the night with their machetes...