Air Japan (AJX) B767
 

Just curious to talk to anyone that works for either ANA or JP Express on the 767. I recently got the letter from Parc on the Nov. screening and I have alot of questions. Thank you for any help.

I got the same letter. I guess that means the interview is on. No info on the interview just a very tough medical.

Me too. Trying to decide if to go or pass. Hate the idea of six months ATP classes and no positive space travel home on days off. They need to look at KAL's contract.

Also got mail from PARC today - also keen to learn more - good or bad? Living expences? Thanks.

If they would only improve their travel package I'd be gone in a flash. Just offer a confirmed business class ticket home for the days off. KAL is recruiting on the 737's as is Air India Express.

If only ANA could match KAL's T&C.

Check out this web site for flying in Japan:

http://japanpilots.19.forumer.com/

Does anybody know the pay during training? I just sent them an E-mail asking about it, it would be pretty hard to spend six months without salary. I read somewhere that they pay you a salary from the get go. Any info on this regard?

For the 767 its $9192 per month in training plus $44 per day when in Tokyo.
http://www.hawaiiaviation.com/positi...anb767capt.htm
This is on Hawaiian Aviations website.
I'm still trying to decide, the six months ATP ground school is painful:* .

Can't think of it that way. ATP is just one aspect of the whole deal, just think of the culture, the arts, the experience of thinking from a different point of view. The challenge of immerse yourself in a different language and the broader view you'll have of this world.

By the end of the 5 year contract, The ATPL and command time on the 767 will seem insignificant in relation to the large scheme of things :ok:

So, its easy to see how much hawaii is paying but how about Parc? Any info?
/CP

This is the PARC package for the cargo 767, pax is more or less the same.

Captain: A gross Salary per month pro rata of ;
Year 1 = 10,452.00 USD Including Training
Year 2 = 11,845.00 USD
Year 3 = 12,034.00 USD
Year 4 = 12,248.00 USD
Year 5 = 12,479.00 USD

A contribution into a Pension fund managed by Parc Aviation of 870.72 USD per month pro rata.
In addition to above salary a contract completion bonus of USD 30,000 will be paid plus interest at the end of the 5 year assignment period.

In addition a living allowance of USD 44 per day shall be payable to each crew member during his training period in Tokyo. After the training period a fixed per diem of 884 USD per month pro rata will be paid.






First Officer: A gross Salary per month pro rata of ;
Year 1 = 7,002.00 USD Including Training
Year 2 = 8,218.00 USD
Year 3 = 8,541.00 USD
Year 4 = 8,730.00 USD
Year 5 = 8,870.00 USD

A contribution into a Pension fund managed by Parc Aviation of 550.72 USD per month pro rata.
In addition to above salary a contract completion bonus of USD 18,000 will be paid plus interest at the end of the 5 year assignment period.

Ah, thanks for that info! I was lead to believe that PARC "always" paid more then other contract agencies, but looks like the Hawai contracts are quite a bit better on pay....are there other "things" to concider when compareing these companies, or are they both ok?

/CP

Those are the figures sent to me by PARC for the JP Express 767 contracts. I never applied for the Dash-8 job.
I'll paste the T &C for Air Japan . Hope that clears it up.

OPERATOR Air Japan (AJX)
BASE (Training)
(Operations) Tokyo, Japan
Designated base
Osaka or Tokyo
REQUIREMENT Pilots to be trained on B767 by Air Japan for use by Air Japan in conducting Air Japan flights
COMMENCEMENT DATE October 2006
A screening process in Tokyo to include:
(i) Interview/simulator
(ii) Medical
DURATION 5 years.
Training estimated 6/7 months and will be carried out at the ANA training centre Tokyo.
REMUNERATION PACKAGE A structured remuneration package compromising:
Captain: A gross Salary including flight pay per month pro rate of:
Training = 8,308.00 USD and then 9,192.00 USD for the remainder of year 1
Year 2 = 9,832.00 USD
Year 3 = 9,983.00 USD
Year 4 = 10,153.00 USD
Year 5 = 10,337.00 USD
A contribution into a Pension fund managed by Parc Aviation of 870.72 USD per month pro rata
In addition to above salary a contract completion bonus of USD 30,000 will be paid plus interest at the end of the 5 year assignment period.
First Officer: A gross Salary including flight pay per month pro rata of ;
Training = 6,162.00 USD and then 7,046.00 USD for the remainder of year 1
Year 2 = 8,122.00 USD
Year 3 = 8,408.00 USD
Year 4 = 8,575.00 USD
Year 5 = 8,769.00 USD
A contribution into a Pension fund managed by Parc Aviation of 550.72 USD per month pro rata.
In addition to above salary a contract completion bonus of USD 18,000 will be paid plus interest at the end of the 5 year assignment period.
BLOCK HOURS 70 hours per month - subject to a maximum of 100 hours in 30 days. Hours in excess of 70 hours per month will be paid at the rate of one seventh (1/70) of the basic monthly salary per hour or part thereof.
DAYS OFF
(1) TRAINING
(2) OPERATIONS 2 days per week.
Basically 10 days granted consecutively free of duty per month.
ACCOMMODATION
(1) TRAINING
(2) OPERATIONS Hotel accommodation in Tokyo for the full duration of the Training Period. In addition a living allowance of USD 44 per day shall be payable to each crew member during this period in Tokyo.
(i) Single room hotel accommodation at layover stations other than the designated base of operations.
(ii) At base single room hotel accommodation on specific rostered standby duties.
(iii) An accommodation allowance of
USD 500 per month at Osaka/Tokyo base. Pilots will be required to pay for accommodation at operating base. In the event of exceeding 120 nights in Japan per year (excluding standby duties) USD 50 for each additional night will be paid.

Just eavesdropping here but is the designated base of ops NRT indefinitely or will you be able to nominate a different base on the network?

salary scales
 

Management at AJX/AJV has been implementing different salary scales over the past few years, "B" scale and maybe even "C" scale now, so newer intakes are being paid less, hence the discrepency. NG Captain is probably most correct

OK, but then one would be quite a bit better off (on pay at least) with Hawaii...However, Hawaii does not want to tell all the facts (see new thread on 767 contracts) on their contracts...So where to go?? Are they really getting enough people to (as ishi59 says) create new, lower scales?? As far as I can remember these contracts have been on offer for a loooong time now ie indicating that they need more/are not getting enough people....:confused:
/CP

Most likely the later, not getting enough. Besides the pay, which isnt bad, the travel and per diems arent that good. If they want more applicants I think they will at least make the commute easier. The two days travel shouldn't count on your off days and the travel should be positive space business class anywhere on ANA's network. To make it worth my while to go and live in a culture much different to what I'm accustomed to they should improve their packages, there are a lot of good international contracts out there.

I suggest you view ishi59's public profile and click on his posts. Those threads will give you a good indicator about the ANA group and different people's feelings and experiences with the different 767 operators.

Does anybody know the tax situation in Japan? Do you still pay Japan income taxes either though you do not reside in Japan?

It appears that some on this forum are not too happy with this contract. Can someone actually post an actual schedule for any of the past months??

get the letter from parc and hawaii too but did only reply to hawaii... very intersting what I read and I think that if you are commuting from europe... after 2 years of doing this knid of thing with family you may end up single:hmm: .... very tough contract and the 2 days of commuting should be not counted as OFF... and for sure positive bookink otherwise you may some months not coming back home... I know this too much !!!!:{ . well guys the money is good... but it simply depends of what you are looking for... maybe we'll all see each other over there...:}

Any fresh info on the interview? they just called me out of the blue and want me to go to Japan this coming week:uhoh:
Interview info folks please:ugh:

got an interview coming

how many trips do they do to hnl each month

and how much training in japan happens before you get in the aircraft?

Does anybody have any insight on the interview process?

#1) Do they positive space you to Tokyo?
#2) Do they provide you a hotel while in Tokyo?
#3) Any interview gouge on what to study or prepare for?
$4) Possitlbe future US bases they are hinting about?
#5) Likelyhood of renewing the contract after 5 years?


Many thanks in advance for anybody who can shed some light on the process!!

#1 Yes
#2 Yes
#3 When invited for interview you get a sim package
#4 Chicago and Anchorage
#5 Depends on your performance, usually yes

If you get invited for an interview all your above questions will be answered in detail

Many thanks for the reply!! Is there anything I can start studying now? Is it pretty technical like Cathay? I can't find any interview gouge and I would like to start preparing.

90% of your interview score is how you fly the sim. Couple of basic ATPL questions in the interview.

If you are interested in Japan contract positions check out

http://japanpilots.19.forumer.com/

The Interview experience was really good. They positive spaced me to TYO and the PARC representative that lives in TYO was very helpful, polite and informative. A six person panel (4 ANA Check Airmen and 2 HR) formed the panel. They where engaging and receptive to what I was saying, make sure that you speak clearly and that you make your point across because English evidently is not their first language. But, also by speaking slowly and clearly it is easier for them to detect "Canned" answers, so you know what? Don't use them.:= Talk about yourself, that is what they want to hear. They want to know if you are adaptable enough to rise above language and culture differences and act as a team member. In my case, there where very little technical questions,I guess they felt there wasn't the need for it, I hear that some folks get asked a bid of technical stuff but it wasn't my case.
The SIM will make it or break it for you. You have to fly the thing not like somebody that has flown 767s evidently, but like somebody who has the time and command structured personality that your resume says you should have. They want to see your interaction with an F/O that has limited English, they want to see how you are going to react in an environment that is foreign to you (The 767 cockpit that is) And still operate the exercises that are required. They don't want to see perfection, evidently you won't fly the thing perfectly in the first couple of T/O and LAN. But they want to see progression towards the end of the evaluation, they want to see what you do if you punch the wrong button and the thing started turning the wrong way (I disconnected the A/P and asked my F/O/ Check airman to show me what I engaged that was wrong, but at the same time steering the thing in the right direction)
After all, you are applying for a direct entry level position as a 767 captain, to fly across Asia and the Pacific. These individuals have being flying and instructing for a long time. They pretty much know from the moment when you enter the Flight Deck if there is command capability or not.

I was called that evening to let me know that I had passed the evaluation and interview phase so I'm going to the medical next.:ok: It will be in LAX and I'm curious as to what it involves. They told me to separate two complete days for the testing. Anyone has first hand knowledge on the medical? What to expect? This has me a little worried because I already did the part that I have control over. This part of the evaluation I don't control.
Any info on regards to LAX medical facility and what to expect would be greatly appreciated.

Good luck to all trying out for this Job, I felt that It was very straight forward and informative. They made it very clear that the rosters where tough and that at the beginning there was going to be a transitional period as more A/C's where coming into the line and gave me the choice to apply for AJX if I wanted to because it is more like what I'm used to at my current gig. I know that there have being some opinions expressed here about them not being forthcoming, but I can only judge from my own experience and they where very clear about what the job is about and had no problems answering all of my questions.

Thank you for any info on the medical.

The JCAB medical (in ANC) covers

- BMI (below 29)
- Pulmonary function
- Eye Testing
- Electroencephalogram (EEG)
- Exercise Electrocardiogram (treatmill)
- Blood work
- Urin work
- Alcohol & Drug test
- Cholesterol
- Blood sugar

and all the other tests of a normal Class 1 medical.

Good luck on your medical.:ok:

GTC,
Do you guys have to do the (marching on the spot with your eyes closed) balance check? That is one I have to practise for!!:O
Joe

You have to close your eyes and stand on one leg with your arms spread for 60 seconds and then the same on both legs.

I have an interview scheduled next month. Anyone here currently work on the line??

B767 ANA or JP Express
 

I do. Over 5 years years here and beside the normal Japanese 'frustrations' (which you will never change, so don't try) it is a good job. Training is long (6 months) but after it's over the rosters, flights, pay, conditions are hard to beat. All F/O's get chance of Command after 3-4 years. Not bad for a contract job.

Is 29 the BMI limit for JCAB. Just asking because I have heard 25 as a limit.

Thanks for any info.

I may stand to be corrected here, but my understanding is that the BMI limit is imposed by the AIRLINE, and not JCAB. At least I have on very good authority (in writing from our Japanese airline) that in fact our limit is a BMI of 30-thirty. This is further supported by the fact that I am a fat bum myself at BMI 28 - and I just passed the JCAB medical a couple of months ago.:D
Cheers all - Haywood

There is no actual JCAB BMI limitation. It is stated that above 30, however, further tests are to be performed.
http://www.aeromedical.or.jp/manual/manual.htm
(Its all there but in Japanese)

Each airline seems to have their own limit below this. One of the contractors seems to require less than 27.

Haywood>
you be able to say what airline that is? Osaka? So, maybe the Dash-8?
(I lived in Osaka for 6 years and dream of moving back there one day!)

Glekichi,

It is indeed the Q400, and the operator have specified 30 as their BMI max-limit for initial acceptance. Just no more cookies and cream for me:=

Cheers - Haywood

Cheers!!
See you as soon as I figure out how to get 500 turboprop hours (and repay my dues to the company that does it for me).

May I also ask what contractor you are going through?