SIA cadet pilot
 

i recently applied for the post of cadet pilot but was rejected as i have only 4 'O' level credits even though i got a diploma.

i understand that there are some guys who are pursuing their 'frozen' ATPL from overseas as a self funded student but would have to retake their 'O' levels when they get back before seeking employment either because they do not meet the required 5 credits or do not have the required grades for certain subjects.

would i be considered for the post of cadet pilot if i were to retake my 'O' levels and obtain 5 credits?
i do not have an ATPL.

Pls help

thanks

rejected?
 

u mean u were told by SIA that u r rejected becos of O-Level result? firstly, i'm surprised that they wil tel u tat u r not accepted. i've applied for more than a month but no news at all. secondly, i really have no idea why O-Level is more important that a degree/diploma.

but anyway, i cant comment cause i'm still waiting miserably for a reply from them. hopefully, they WILL reply me whether or not i'm accepted.

cheers and all the best.. ;)

Guys, ''O'' Level IS indeed more important than a degree or diploma as it will gauge your aptitude and also to a certain level of attitude of what you are capable of.
Taking 'O'level on normal time streamlined with your age and normal school schedule and passing it well in one sitting shows basically whether you're intelligent enough and also says a lot about your attitude for time management. Whilst taking a degree or diploma is like you can afford what you can afford on a minimal entry reqiurement in this age of Commercially driven institute of higher learning.
Having said that,with a very good 'O'level and a degree will definitely put one on a higher chances of being selected.

For flying, "O"-level credits are required in English Language, Mathematics and a science subject (like, Gen Science, Physics or Chemistry, but Biology does not count).

So, you may have a Doctorate in History or Geography or some Business Ad; without the required credits in the humble O-levels you will not be accepted.

Those are not the only hurdles one has to overcome.

how long will SIA normally take to reply? I'm from Msia, met the criteria for O-Level (SPM), have a degree, applied one month ago, but no reply yet..... :(

satumare, u mentioned that "Taking 'O'level on normal time streamlined with your age and normal school schedule and passing it well in one sitting shows basically whether you're intelligent enough and also says a lot about your attitude for time management."

but then guys' with ATPL but have to retake their 'O's aint' doing that on normal time streamlined with their age as well...

therefore, wat are my chances if any, that i'll be accepted into cadet pilot recruitment if i retake my 'O's now?

thanks

yeah!
 

SIA just asked me to go for an interview!!! any1 knows what will happen? this is the first interview for Cadet Pilot. pls advise. thanks.

any1 knows the recruitment process?

the 5 O levels criteria is set by CAAS, not SIA.

Anyway, SIA Interview in the first round is simple, just ask a few questions about aviation, about yourself, etc. No big deal here.

The tough one is the final interview cum tea party

And... don't waste time and money doing your ATPL elsewhere, the best way is the cadet pilot programme. DOing it via MFA does not guarantee you a job...

interview
 

questions on aviation? I basically do not know much. any sample questions so i can get myself prepared? any book/etc to recommend?

Tell us about yourself...

why you want to be a pilot.

in your opinion, what makes a good pilot.

Why you want to join SIA, not Malaysia airlines?



First round is simple questions like this, maybe you should also understand how a jet engine works.

Remember, they are looking for attitude, if you possess good attitude, you'l easily go thru the first interview. Be humble, address the interviewers as sir or Captain xxx. Likely to be one captain and another officer, can be both Captain though.


Final interview is tougher, but make it thru the first rough first.

thanks for the info. if i were to pass the first interview, how long will they take to reply to me again? what's the next step after the interview?

no hard and fast rule, my time was about 3-4 weeks later.

By then, you'll attend the interview in about 1 week, it'll be 2 days affair, first day is just some physcometric tests. 2nd day is situational test in the morning, followed by final interview (with about 6-8 interviewers) and then finally tea party.

Jo bac........your guess is as good as mine.I can't say and I do not know.Sorry

When were you here??
 

sq111 - you have obviously made it through, where abouts are you now and when did you do your time at JKT?

Cheers
P.O.M:ok:

tests
 

thanks, sq111, for the reply.

2 more questions: what's the situational test about? what's involved in the psychometric test? games?

its simple task that you can handle. if you can't even handle, then you may not be suitable to be a pilot.

its not some difficult task, so no worries. In fact I think its best you dun know much about these phase, just concentrate on the 1st interview first.

BTW, I always crash on flight simulator, even those in arcades, but of course I don't crash a B777, so games aren't a good guage of whether can you fly, so don't be bothered about it.

But be prepared lor, international flying means you are away 2/3 of the time, and there are those who don't like it and left their flying careers after their 7 years bond.

Worst if you are on A345, super long flying hours and few sectors under your belt compared to your peers. and of course, most of your life is spend in the air....

LEADERSHIP...

=)
 

thanks for tat again. I think i'm better to concentrate in the 1st interview, like what u said. not sure if i can pass it though.

I sat for the psychomotor test for MAS recently and guess I've failed as I couldn't 'play' the last game. that's y i'm a bit phobia in this kind of test. is there anything u can recommend to me so that i can practise? :)

dun worry, during my time I also think I'll fail the test, but I still make it thru..

no need to do anything, physcomotor is in born, if you cannot even pass physomotor, there is nothing much you can do about it is inborn, not something you can practise.

But then, commercial flying is unlike military flying, you don't need unique physcomotor of military pilots to fly a 777, most normal person should make it.

sq111, i was just reading this..




Professional Pilot Licence

3.13 What qualifications will I need to apply for the initial issue of a Singapore Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL) and Airline Transport Pilot Licence (ATPL)?

i) You must not be less than 18 years old (CPL) and 21 years old (ATPL)

ii) You must pass at least five subjects at the GCE 'O' Level including English Language, Mathematics and a Science subject.

iii) Pass a Singapore Class 1 initial medical with a CAAS DME




notice there isnt anything written about having to pass five credits in one sitting? so is that an add-on by SQ? :8

hi there ppl
 

Hi ppl,

Donald, did you get to go for the interview wth SIA yet? or still am waiting for it? Hows your preparation? eveyrthing fine?
ok, keep me updated,

Cheers,
Chris

eye tests
 

Good day everyone,

I was just wondering on these 2 tests:

-visual acuity eye-test (Snellen's Chart)
-colour vision test (Ishihara)

Do you need to see an eye specialist for these tests or a GP would be sufficient?

Thanks!

eye tests
 

Good day everyone,

I was just wondering on these 2 tests:

-visual acuity eye-test (Snellen's Chart)
-colour vision test (Ishihara)

Do you need to see an eye specialist for these tests or a GP would be sufficient?

Thanks!

Chris,

the interview is in 2 wks' time. i hav no idea how I should prepare. Can advise ah?


landslyde81,

R u goin to the interview in Nikko Hotel KL in April also? I asked SFC regarding the tests. they say any doctor will do. no need go specialist.

thanks!
 

thanks donald ....all the best for your interview...:cool: :ok:

How do i get permanent citizenship?
 

Just wondering if anyone knows how i can become a permanent citizen of SI and get in on the cadet program that SIA provides?

Ive got all my licences and training here in Canada and have some family friends living in Singapore right now. If someone can fill me in on the process of getting my paperwork straight that would be a huge help

thnx

I am surprise you guys are still interested in joining this bull **** airline that does not even treasure the human resources that they have now. Many good men have left, more will follow. Is it because of you suckers that are willing to be taken for a ride that allow SIA to dictate the kind of ****ty terms they are dishing out to their pilots. If you are in for the life style, let me tell you there is nothing much to talk about, it will be worst in the future. It will be worse if you are starting a family because half the time you are not around to be with them. In the past, you will think the monetary returns will be able to offset the times you are not able to spend with them such as weekends, birthdays, anniversaries etc. However, the pay they are going to dish out to you young fellas would never have enticed me to join them years ago. If you are coming in for the money, let me tell you, you are better off working elsewhere. However, I said this putting myself in the position of chaps who are only allow to join after 26 whereby you have got a degree and somehow been established in your present career for a few years. Do find out more before you make the giant step of no returns (literally and monetary). You are actually giving up alot and your freedom too. You will be bonded like 7 yrs after you are make first officer....but let me tell you this..it seem forever!

However, for those true hearted wannabe aviators with flying in their blood, the joy of flying the aircraft is something else. Every landing is different..and exhilerating! If that is what you are looking for.....I advise you to join military flying....

but for young chaps who want to join thinking that airline pilots are glamorous and impressive, by all means do and find out for yourselves....and you will know that is nothing that great after all.......in the end...you will realise that you have all been SUCKERS and taken for a ride by the so-called best airline ! Just like prositutes, you will be used and thrown aside....no doubt you will get paid for being such a good laid.....but is it all worth it???

Without Prejudice / bias
 

If you are from nearby countries or from SE Asia ,you will survive . A cadet pilot who is from the West or of that cultural mind set, then he is in for a BIG surprise-- unless he /she is very positive & be willing to give up their individuality and become the sole property of the company-- bow down to them, as its the the way the culture is ,"no sir- yes sir- 3 bags full sir .." he / she will get through. after all they are paying for all the training so you belong to Them!!

If you dare to ask why should I push this button this way ( so you can really understand the reason behind it & learn --you will be Hauled up & be marked as trouble maker..

Depends on how much one is ready to sacrifice by way of personality changes, changing ones thinking to be part of this institution. YOu can have a Phd. but will be treated as a school kid.
Good Luck

If you are from nearby countries or from SE Asia ,you will survive . A cadet pilot who is from the West or of that cultural mind set, then he is in for a BIG surprise--

Not too sure if that was implied to Canadians specifically or Westerners in general. However, I had the opportunity to stay in Singapore for 3 weeks and I did not notice any 'BIG' surprises infact I was surprised how similar the countries were.

Hi Guys,

Need some tips and guidance for the 2nd round of interview (SIA) now that I've got through the first...(thanks to you guys!)

As pointed out by you kind folks earlier, the following stage will cover the 2 ½ hour aptitude test on the first day (which I believe is computer based) and a 3 hour test on the second day.

What can I expect for the aptitude test? I’m sure there is a certain amount of Math involved, but how complex is it going to be? Trigonometry? Or is it just simple calculations (percentage etc etc…)?

How about the 3 hour test on the second day? Is the psychomotor test being slotted in here?

Next will be the final interview and tea party. I reckon there will be lots of technical questions being asked in the final interview as far as aviation is concerned…

And yeah, will there be any group discussions / activities?

Appreciate your kind feedback…

Cheers and Regards…
:ok:

here I am again.....

Aptitude test, simple, no need to be a maths/physics genius. just some memory and logic questions. also some question to test your judgement . no need to ask around, any average person can make it.

the next day, in the morning, you'll be asked to do things like design a airport, build a control tower using lego chips.

then the final interview....

why u want to join SIA
if u are selected, which aircraft u want to fly (if you say B737, then good luck)
Say if u say B744, it may be followed by, how many engines does a 744 has? How many crew?

How does a jet engine works.....


thats about it... then they offer u a job as cadet pilot and pay u peanuts during training and then bond u for 7 years as a first officer

Thanks for the info...appreciate it...Cheers!!!:ok:

How long...?
 

Hi there, can anyone please tell me if one sucessfully pass the first interview, where will the second n third interviews be held? And how long for them to reply back to you for each interviews?? Thanks and please let me know ASAP...

Cheers!!!

my time was 1 month, but that was in Singapore, and it was many years ago. not sure for Malaysia though.

but then, once its up, another 1 month is all they took to tie u down for the next 10 years (2.5yrs to 3 of training, followed by 7 years as FO)

Singapore Airlines, a Great Way to Fly.... for 10 years... :{

wow, so it will just take tow months for everything to be completed...SO, are you a captain wth SIA now?

two months if u are lucky, my time got guys wait close to 6 months.

I am :{ , so u think I am a captain???

many years ago, but then any FO will have to serve 7 years or pay the 160k SGD bond. so I mean many years doesn't not mean I am on the left seat... For Non-locals, even longer for command upgrade.

...
 

wow, so how many years have you been bonded? So, are you telling me tha tyou can quit your job wth SIA once you go for the training? How much does the salary ranges for second office and first officer? What about captains? CAn you please tell me roughly how much is it? And where will they be conduting the flying lessons? I am really grateful for your info. Cheers!

2nd officer is about $2300 Sin plus meal allowance. FOs ranges from $4300 to $5200 plus meal allowance and flight allowance. total expected is about $8000SGD per month.

Bond? Once u are accepted, u need to provide 2 guarantors and u are bonded immediately, altho ur actual bond is 7 years after ur appointment as First Officer.

Training will be conducted in Singapore for the first 6 - 8 months, at Seletar airbase. U'll do all the theory leading to frozen ATPL, plus do about 20 hours of single engine flight, with 20th hr as solo. Then you'll go to Perth (Jandakot) for about 9-11 months for ur multi engine rating, navigation, instrument rating etc.

After this, you'll go to Brisbane (Maroochydore) to do your Learjet course. Its about 3 weeks theory, 3 weeks simulator and followed by 10 sorties, total expected is about 5-6 months. Then you'll go back to Singapore for your fleet conversion course, likely to be B777 or B744, that will be about 4-5 months. then followed by line training as a 2nd officer, which is abt 7-9 months. Then u'll be FO and be tied down for next 7 years.

But understand now is that u are recruited as a trainee with Singapore FLying college, and u'll be placed in any of the SIA group airlines, ie SIA, SIA Cargo, Silkair or Tiger Airways, unlike my time, when u join as SIA and u'll be with SIA. Better check it out, my info like I said was many years ago.

Thanks SQ for your info.
I appreciate it a lot. Well, I suppose its still from SIA, but it doesnt matter which airline they put you through, does it? Is it because of the differences in pay for each of the airlines? But just as long as it will fulfill what i have always been wanting to do :) ...

So, are you still a FO now?>How many years have you been a FO? IS it true that foreigners from the east will get a lower pay compare to the west once they get into SIA? How true is this?

Ok, i will keep you updated! Cheers!!!

err well, if u dream of flying a B747, u'll definitely be disappointed with A320. Plus in SIA Cargo, u'll fly cargos without those pretty stewardess, so no chance for hanky panky business :)

The SIA group, or for that matter Asian Airlines do pay according to fleet type, so a B744 pilot earns more than a B737, so fly big means pay big.

Silkair flies regional, so no chance for flights to LA, San Francisco or your fav Australia or whatever. Only interesting part is that u fly more sectors in silkair compared to SIA. Imagine if u are in A345 fleet, you'll do only one take off and landing every 18 hours, so very few sectors under ur belt, but the good thing is, lots of $$$

Hmm, ok, so size does matter, eh:) ...ha ha...
Anyway, i cant decide on which one i will be flying with as its really up to them to decide for me...OR can i reject the type of aircraft they want me to fly with?

Hey, its still a long way for me to go..hehe...Btw, hwat is your current position? :)