RBA Tonga contract
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if only we could all be heros against the maoists in kathmandu, eating peas and potatoes.
but what you fail to realise blacksheep is no one gives a toss about kathmandu and the maoists.
this thread is about a contract in auckland, nothing to do with kathmandu and the maoists.
give it a rest
but what you fail to realise blacksheep is no one gives a toss about kathmandu and the maoists.
this thread is about a contract in auckland, nothing to do with kathmandu and the maoists.
give it a rest
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This is the first time I've been n PPrune for ages and it saddens me to see how quickly people stry off the subject. If only some minds had LNav.
Latest I've heard is
* 5 year contract.
* First 3 years wet lease last two years 'drying out' with an option to buy at the end.
* The proposal has been given to Royal Tonga Airlines (RTA) and a response has yet to be received.
* Proposed destinations are Auckland, Sydney, Tonga, Nandi, Naui, and Honolulu.
* Requirement for 3 sets of crews comprising 2 pilots and 1 cabin crew member (CSO or Leading) to go down for 2 months at a time.
* Tonga - Honolulu cannot be flown in a straight (great circle) line unless you have 152 minute ETOPS. Since the B 757 has 138 min ETOPS either CAA approval to extend to 152 minutes is required or we fly a 'dog leg' to stay within ETOPS range of a suitable airport.
* RTA cabin crew are already in Brunei receiving training.
* Proposed start of operations in Tonga is 16 December.
* Proposed allowances are
BND $4.50 per flying hour plus US$50 or 60 per day
* A daily 'ncidentals allowance and uniform laundry allowance is also alledgedly claimable although I haven't checked the ERs to confirm this.
Naturally this is all rumour because RBA's sad record of informing their staff about things that may effect them is still unchanged.
BTW all this info was obtained by simply going to the office and asking. There are no secrets in the above info.
Latest I've heard is
* 5 year contract.
* First 3 years wet lease last two years 'drying out' with an option to buy at the end.
* The proposal has been given to Royal Tonga Airlines (RTA) and a response has yet to be received.
* Proposed destinations are Auckland, Sydney, Tonga, Nandi, Naui, and Honolulu.
* Requirement for 3 sets of crews comprising 2 pilots and 1 cabin crew member (CSO or Leading) to go down for 2 months at a time.
* Tonga - Honolulu cannot be flown in a straight (great circle) line unless you have 152 minute ETOPS. Since the B 757 has 138 min ETOPS either CAA approval to extend to 152 minutes is required or we fly a 'dog leg' to stay within ETOPS range of a suitable airport.
* RTA cabin crew are already in Brunei receiving training.
* Proposed start of operations in Tonga is 16 December.
* Proposed allowances are
BND $4.50 per flying hour plus US$50 or 60 per day
* A daily 'ncidentals allowance and uniform laundry allowance is also alledgedly claimable although I haven't checked the ERs to confirm this.
Naturally this is all rumour because RBA's sad record of informing their staff about things that may effect them is still unchanged.
BTW all this info was obtained by simply going to the office and asking. There are no secrets in the above info.
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Mmmm, careful boys - beware the 28 day rule. That three and a half grand Kiwi a month could be reduced to just two thousand one hundred in the second month. Barely enough to cover an Aucklander's mortgage payments let alone buy food and entertainment... 
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Wings,
Hate to be a pedant, but...
There is no such thing as a straight line on the earth's surface, so great circle applies (great circle - an arc whose radius is that of the earth itself).
I think I've strayed off message a bit...
You flyboys get paid lots anyway, so a you won't notice lower allowance, at least not in the long run!
Blacksheep, how's life in your neck of the woods?
Hate to be a pedant, but...
There is no such thing as a straight line on the earth's surface, so great circle applies (great circle - an arc whose radius is that of the earth itself).
I think I've strayed off message a bit...
You flyboys get paid lots anyway, so a you won't notice lower allowance, at least not in the long run!
Blacksheep, how's life in your neck of the woods?
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Blacksheep.You are a very very very anti aircrew.I dont blame you for this as most of them are very young and inexperienced.Bus 429. How are you doiing.Brgds from little .big shortly airlines.
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No bulli****, I'm not anti-crew, far from it; I work very closely with them on many technical issues and enjoy very cordial relations with them. I do get upset by the insensitive attitude of certain individuals. This thread started as an exhortation to crews to not volunteer for a specific subsidiary contract based in the comfort of Auckland. This exhortation was based on an allegation that lower allowances paid on that contract may then be introduced at home base. Starting this thread at this particular time is grossly insensitive. For everyone in the company there is a wage freeze. No increments are being paid this year, there is an overtime ban and certain allowances were cut. None of these make significant inroads into technical crew salaries, nor for that matter into my own. For most of the airline staff though, annual increments and overtime pay constitute a major portion of their discretionary income. In the case of the lowest paid, their disposable income has been halved. My fellow supervisory staff have to deal with the results on a daily basis - though the work force are de-motivated and thoroughly de-moralised we still have to get the work done and meet the demanding quality standards of aviation.
tottenkopf suggests that I am on Mars; I suggest that it is the militant trade unionists among the technical crew that are on Mars. You are operating machinery that is worked on by staff, who in some cases are coping with car and furniture re-possessions. By all means talk about your allowances in the privacy of your cocktail parties, but please be careful how you treat such sensitive issues as pay and allowances in public.
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tottenkopf suggests that I am on Mars; I suggest that it is the militant trade unionists among the technical crew that are on Mars. You are operating machinery that is worked on by staff, who in some cases are coping with car and furniture re-possessions. By all means talk about your allowances in the privacy of your cocktail parties, but please be careful how you treat such sensitive issues as pay and allowances in public.
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Blacksheep - good points, well put. I also number some pilots among my friends but some can be a little insensitve (but, then, can't we all?). I'm sorry to learn that circumstances are affecting some at RBA. I suppose there are fewer new cars in the car park?
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Some points well made by tech crew and engineers. Dont you think that you are all missing the point though. We are all in this together. Downward pressure on terms and conditions will affect everyone, even if this time they are only targetting tech crew allowances. Management must dream of a tech crew/engineering argument. Divide and rule?
Sometimes you really do get what you deserve and if you cant present a united front then you desrve nothing.
Sometimes you really do get what you deserve and if you cant present a united front then you desrve nothing.
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It's all academic there is no way the Tongans will pay what RBA are asking in terms of deposit or hourly rate. I don't expect the brunes to realise that they are being taken for a ride but Foster should.
You have to all realise that in an effort to justify their existance the engineering dept. go out and try and get lucrative contracts and in the process promise the customer all sorts of support that we cannot supply. To commit the company to supplying crews for this lease when we don't have enough for the schedule is an example. None of this was discussed with flt ops.
Relax boys, it won't happen
You have to all realise that in an effort to justify their existance the engineering dept. go out and try and get lucrative contracts and in the process promise the customer all sorts of support that we cannot supply. To commit the company to supplying crews for this lease when we don't have enough for the schedule is an example. None of this was discussed with flt ops.
Relax boys, it won't happen
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Has anybody heard or does anybody know what the lattest rumour, gossip, development is with the Royal Brunei contract to Tonga. Do you reckon it will happen or is it just another one of those pipe dreams.
