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Old 15th Apr 2021, 06:35
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post
Do tell, what happened?
It’s no secret, China went from over 1500 ExPats to a mere 100 through the pandemic. It is doubtful they will return anytime soon as Chinese cadet pilots continue to keep up with domestic growth and rebound.
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 18:07
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There is a large airline in a sizeable city in southern china that has begun recall of pilots. This was after said airline put every single FP on Zero pay and forced leave indefinitely. At that time, despite gross breach of contract (a contract they rigidly stuck to before, no matter how unfortunate the circumstances a pilot found himself in) they made all agree to a proviso that a) you could wait out the pandemic on zero pay b) you could be in recall pool which would revert to full pay once recalled.

Firstly, those who have been recalled have been offered zero pay until flying, thereafter hourly, at an unconfirmed rate. Pay for your flight to china, pay for your quarantine (three weeks, but possibly 4), pay for your accommodation, pass the medical (a maybe) pass an antibody test (read that one carefully, not a covid test), pass sims, do an English test which can mean a wait on no pay for 3 months whilst you pay for hotel. Everyone is able to go away for a long period and deal with the covid stuff, but the no pay at all is a bit sick from a company that can easily pay a little, or cover the flights and hotel at the least, seeing as they own and operate a chain of them...

Before the covid situ, all matters were dealt with by their determination of contract and there was zero leeway on anything at all. Funny how that went straight out the window.
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Old 16th Apr 2021, 02:35
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And you are surprised?
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Old 16th Apr 2021, 14:22
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And some will take the deal .
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Old 16th Apr 2021, 15:06
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BCA "new pandemic" contract briefing sheet is circulating. They are scouting for foreign pilots with CAAC licence, probably to support future growth. Deflate HNA, expand BCA - well imaginable.

4500 USD training pay
3000 USD basic pay + flight hours + allowances

​​​​​​Assuming 600 hr/y with a flexible commuting arrangement (the usual double edge blade) the figures show approx 13000 US/m averaged net.

Beats WZZ in AUH



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Old 19th Apr 2021, 14:13
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Old 19th Apr 2021, 21:57
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Flight detent: I do not for one second question your figures, but the rather large devil is in the detail. Were you to sign for BCA tomorrow, you may be called to china and not see a dime of any sort until several months after you show up. first, you wont be commuting at all in the current environment, so expect a min of 8 months away. As much as the press is full of stories about how Covid measures are loosening, as far as international travel is concerned, the screw tightens every day with no sign of relaxation, your gonna spend one month unpaid, sorry make that in debt paying for quarantine in a room. After that there will be months of courses, sims, stupid medicals (I believe if you contract covid you are a goner for life as far as caac is concerned). You will need to tolerate punishment for landing over 1.5g, lightning strikes etc. One lightning strike? no pay. you wont fly for a month. Personally, going to china on an hour deal is not doable, you need fixed pay.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 08:46
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DMP: I can see how the quick succession of my posts painted a pro-china choice picture. Not intentional.

To the best of my knowledge, all you typed is thoroughly accurate. Before COVID the time between the first visit (SIM assessment + medical) and the first (ground training) paycheck was 9 months on average, never less than 6.

Today it is indefinite, no one is looking for people on the outside and even if the airlines did they are no longer allowed to sponsor work visa - now authorization from government offices somewhere is required. That alone is a real issue for people whose residence permit have expired. So big even the airlines themselves are having a hard time getting all the stamps for employees they want back.

No one signs for BCA or elsewhere. It's not an offer for which audience exists, only a description of the new pay structure. And then again, I feel the same about the deal as you do. Previously the training pay with BCA and their brethren was 350-400 USD/day = 12k as opposed to 4k now. Looking at the other figures above, the rest of the contract was taxidermized in a similar manner.

The reality is, for a jobless there is still nowhere to go (save for US folk), getting re-called is the best one could hope for. Some will take the deal available in China now, and some will refuse it. This only applies to those previously employed, none of whom would ever consider coming on today's terms.

Hence my reference to WZZ, in reaction to fatbus' post. The situation seems exactly identical. It only applies to an unknown small little number of individuals who are already present / stuck in the region. Given the choice of that or no employment at all, there will be takers. For those returning to PRC, glancing at the paycheck will be sorrowful but not eye-watering.

What counts the most is regaining currency.










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Old 27th Apr 2021, 14:34
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Apparently Xiamen is recruiting again skippers on 787 fleet...any info?
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 00:56
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Apparently Xiamen is recruiting again skippers on 787 fleet...any info?
12000rmb a month, $230usd an hour once on the line. 12k rmb+$200 usd a day in ground training upping to 300usd a day on line training. This is the latest scale I have received from a recruiter.

Requirements:
Accept B777/787 type rating
Under 56y

Due to the restrictions of quarantine policy and visa application, there will be priorities and preference for screening arrangement:

No.1 Candidates who are now already in China;

No.2 Candidates who can apply visa without PU letter and are willing to cover the hotel cost for quarantine period;

No.3 Candidates who need PU letter to apply visa and are willing to cover the hotel cost for quarantine period;

No.4 others
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 03:27
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12 k USD/m on yearly average if my sums are correct. Buyer also beware the new thing in China is quoting salaries in gross.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 10:24
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Apparently Xiamen is recruiting again skippers on 787 fleet...any info?
If selected, you will become a relief Captain, but never a PIC unless they let you loose on a domestic route which is doubtful due to CAAC route/airport restrictions for foreigners.


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Old 30th Apr 2021, 14:58
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The foreign pilot restrictions of late are said to have been relaxed about a month ago back where they used to be.

Regardless, the chart for international traffic paints a picture nowhere close to normality. 20% at best these days, is it?

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Old 1st May 2021, 09:32
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Originally Posted by darkmatterparticle View Post
Flight detent: I do not for one second question your figures, but the rather large devil is in the detail. Were you to sign for BCA tomorrow, you may be called to china and not see a dime of any sort until several months after you show up. first, you wont be commuting at all in the current environment, so expect a min of 8 months away. As much as the press is full of stories about how Covid measures are loosening, as far as international travel is concerned, the screw tightens every day with no sign of relaxation, your gonna spend one month unpaid, sorry make that in debt paying for quarantine in a room. After that there will be months of courses, sims, stupid medicals (I believe if you contract covid you are a goner for life as far as caac is concerned). You will need to tolerate punishment for landing over 1.5g, lightning strikes etc. One lightning strike? no pay. you wont fly for a month. Personally, going to china on an hour deal is not doable, you need fixed pay.
I have heard this too about if you have contracted covid you can never join. Is there any documentation in fact on this or just rumour?
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