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Dear Pilot,
I am pleased to inform you of Eagle Jet International's next heavy jet program. *The program takes place on the Boeing 767 aircraft (most flights taking place on the -300 Extended Range version). *The B767 aircraft is a wide body long haul glass cockpit / EFIS aircraft and is one of the most popular aircraft in operations with airlines worldwide. *Average seating configuration is for 250 passengers. *
This program gives selected pilots the unique opportunity to complete one thousand two hundred fifty (1250) hours as a Boeing 767 First Officer based out of a touristic area in Asia. *Upon program completion, pilots will therefore meet the flight time requirements to obtain a Full ATP license worldwide.
As pilots will have more than 500 hours on type upon program completion, validating the type rating with most aviation authorities worldwide is a simple process (might include a simulator check depending on the aviation authorities).
The B767 type rating also gives the B757 type rating and the type rating endorsed on pilots license is B757/767. *This gives pilots with extensive B767 experience*an additional opportunity*to also have direct access to B757 positions as the type ratings are similar (same endorsement) and airlines worldwide consider pilots with B767 experience for both B757 and B767 positions when they require hours on type.
The maximum takeoff weight of the B767 aircraft is over 180 tons which gives pilots experience on an aircraft much heavier than the B757. *This is important for pilots who consider joining some of the largest major airlines worldwide as they often require hours on wide body aircraft above a specific MTOW which is a requirement met by the wide body B767 aircraft.
Only one class is scheduled to start with program start date in November 2013.
Program Schedule:
Pre-approval based on resume. *Window of application is now open.
Late October 2013: One day assessment in London or Miami depending on pilot's preference.
November 2013 in the USA: B767 Jet Orientation Course, American FAA B767 Type Rating Course and B767 additional training to proficiency.
Early January 2014 in Asia with Eagle Jet International partner airline: Airline Conversion Course followed by*one thousand two hundred fifty (1250) hours as a Boeing 767 First Officer during worldwide passenger operations. *Duration to complete 1250 hours is about 2 years.
Program Requirements:
American FAA Commercial Pilot License with Instrument and Multiengine Ratings
FAA First Class Medical
No flight time*requirements
No minimum age requirements
Price and Payment Plan:
Assessment: to be issued shortly and to be paid to the TRTO directly
B767 Jet Orientation Course, American FAA B767 Type Rating Course and B767 additional training to proficiency: $20,000 to $25,000 USD depending on pilot's proficiency to be paid to the TRTO directly.
Airline Conversion Course and*one thousand two hundred fifty (1250) hours as a Boeing 767 First Officer: €44,500 EUR.*€5,000 EUR is due after program acceptance and once program agreement has been signed and €39,500 EUR is due upon completion of the B767 training to proficiency course.
No salary while attending the program. *No VAT / taxes are to be added to the above costs.
Pilots are responsible for their living expenses at their home base but receive assistance from the airline to locate housing. *During overnights while on duty, airline covers hotel expenses, meals and transportation.
Application:
Only if you meet the above program requirements and have confirmed full time availability to start the program in November, you can apply by emailing current aviation resume / CV. *
Pilots whose resumes are pre-approved will be contacted with full program details including program agreement.
No telephone calls at this stage.
Sincerely,
Stephane Hoinville
President of Flight Operations
I am pleased to inform you of Eagle Jet International's next heavy jet program. *The program takes place on the Boeing 767 aircraft (most flights taking place on the -300 Extended Range version). *The B767 aircraft is a wide body long haul glass cockpit / EFIS aircraft and is one of the most popular aircraft in operations with airlines worldwide. *Average seating configuration is for 250 passengers. *
This program gives selected pilots the unique opportunity to complete one thousand two hundred fifty (1250) hours as a Boeing 767 First Officer based out of a touristic area in Asia. *Upon program completion, pilots will therefore meet the flight time requirements to obtain a Full ATP license worldwide.
As pilots will have more than 500 hours on type upon program completion, validating the type rating with most aviation authorities worldwide is a simple process (might include a simulator check depending on the aviation authorities).
The B767 type rating also gives the B757 type rating and the type rating endorsed on pilots license is B757/767. *This gives pilots with extensive B767 experience*an additional opportunity*to also have direct access to B757 positions as the type ratings are similar (same endorsement) and airlines worldwide consider pilots with B767 experience for both B757 and B767 positions when they require hours on type.
The maximum takeoff weight of the B767 aircraft is over 180 tons which gives pilots experience on an aircraft much heavier than the B757. *This is important for pilots who consider joining some of the largest major airlines worldwide as they often require hours on wide body aircraft above a specific MTOW which is a requirement met by the wide body B767 aircraft.
Only one class is scheduled to start with program start date in November 2013.
Program Schedule:
Pre-approval based on resume. *Window of application is now open.
Late October 2013: One day assessment in London or Miami depending on pilot's preference.
November 2013 in the USA: B767 Jet Orientation Course, American FAA B767 Type Rating Course and B767 additional training to proficiency.
Early January 2014 in Asia with Eagle Jet International partner airline: Airline Conversion Course followed by*one thousand two hundred fifty (1250) hours as a Boeing 767 First Officer during worldwide passenger operations. *Duration to complete 1250 hours is about 2 years.
Program Requirements:
American FAA Commercial Pilot License with Instrument and Multiengine Ratings
FAA First Class Medical
No flight time*requirements
No minimum age requirements
Price and Payment Plan:
Assessment: to be issued shortly and to be paid to the TRTO directly
B767 Jet Orientation Course, American FAA B767 Type Rating Course and B767 additional training to proficiency: $20,000 to $25,000 USD depending on pilot's proficiency to be paid to the TRTO directly.
Airline Conversion Course and*one thousand two hundred fifty (1250) hours as a Boeing 767 First Officer: €44,500 EUR.*€5,000 EUR is due after program acceptance and once program agreement has been signed and €39,500 EUR is due upon completion of the B767 training to proficiency course.
No salary while attending the program. *No VAT / taxes are to be added to the above costs.
Pilots are responsible for their living expenses at their home base but receive assistance from the airline to locate housing. *During overnights while on duty, airline covers hotel expenses, meals and transportation.
Application:
Only if you meet the above program requirements and have confirmed full time availability to start the program in November, you can apply by emailing current aviation resume / CV. *
Pilots whose resumes are pre-approved will be contacted with full program details including program agreement.
No telephone calls at this stage.
Sincerely,
Stephane Hoinville
President of Flight Operations
So to cut a long story short, this is yet another parasitic P2F program that requires $85,000 USD and work for free for 2 years on an aircraft type that many airlines are retiring from their fleet? 
And I bet there will still be some people taking the bait on this one.
And I bet there will still be some people taking the bait on this one.
No flight time*requirements
No minimum age requirements
No minimum age requirements
The only requirement is to have $85,000 in the bank. What a
joke. And I bet you there will still be takers for this humiliating P2F program.
short flights long nights
You have to be kidding me. When is this rubbish going to stop? Work for free for two years? Wait, no that's not correct, you pay them to work for two years...madness.
But others have said, there will be people lining up to do it. And in two years time we will have people on this forum, complaining that they pais 85000dollars and now have time a type of aircraft that no one is flying, so now they have to pay more money for yet another type rating
But others have said, there will be people lining up to do it. And in two years time we will have people on this forum, complaining that they pais 85000dollars and now have time a type of aircraft that no one is flying, so now they have to pay more money for yet another type rating
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This is a terrible precedent and a sad day for professional aviation.
No doubt some wealthy individuals will ask mummy and daddy for the cash and do it....
No doubt some wealthy individuals will ask mummy and daddy for the cash and do it....
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Why don't they take people who never have been in a cockpit, train them with this program, then call the program an ATP training program instead ?
I guess their clients are the Chinese airlines...
This is a flagrant statement of disrespect for the profession, and an opportunity for applicants to show how desperate and willing they are to lend themselves as easy preys so the airline managements can cook them in whichever sauce they wish.
Read this too : AVCANADA ? View topic - Eagle Jet International / Pay to Fly
I guess their clients are the Chinese airlines...
This is a flagrant statement of disrespect for the profession, and an opportunity for applicants to show how desperate and willing they are to lend themselves as easy preys so the airline managements can cook them in whichever sauce they wish.
Read this too : AVCANADA ? View topic - Eagle Jet International / Pay to Fly
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"Touristic area in Asia", it's got to be Orient Thai
Anyone from the first world who pays money to log hours with that pack of cowboys, in the hope it gets them into a real airline, is going to be very very disappointed once their two years is up
Anyone from the first world who pays money to log hours with that pack of cowboys, in the hope it gets them into a real airline, is going to be very very disappointed once their two years is up
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I'm not too sure about Orient Thai. There are several other current/future B767 operators in Thailand.
Sunny airways
R airlines (Future)
Business Air
Asia Atlantic airlines
Nevertheless,Some interesting bits on wiki w.r.t. Orient Thai
On September 2004, an Orient Thai 747 flew within 200 meters of Japan's Tokyo Tower over the heart of downtown Tokyo.
On July 22, 2008, shortly after the crash in Phuket which killed 89 people, and after the internet publication of illegally excessive work hours and check fraud Orient Thai and its subsidiaries were ordered to suspend service for 56 days due to failure to train, failure to have a safety program and failure to supervise safe flight, check ride fraud and breaking the law at Orient Thai and One-Two-GO.
Here is a link to the damning report on Orient Thai and it's now defunct subsidary One Two Go airlines
http://investigateudom.com/files/news12goEnglish.pdf
This thread is in the interview section. Request the mods to merge the threads
Sunny airways
R airlines (Future)
Business Air
Asia Atlantic airlines
Nevertheless,Some interesting bits on wiki w.r.t. Orient Thai
On September 2004, an Orient Thai 747 flew within 200 meters of Japan's Tokyo Tower over the heart of downtown Tokyo.
On July 22, 2008, shortly after the crash in Phuket which killed 89 people, and after the internet publication of illegally excessive work hours and check fraud Orient Thai and its subsidiaries were ordered to suspend service for 56 days due to failure to train, failure to have a safety program and failure to supervise safe flight, check ride fraud and breaking the law at Orient Thai and One-Two-GO.
Here is a link to the damning report on Orient Thai and it's now defunct subsidary One Two Go airlines
http://investigateudom.com/files/news12goEnglish.pdf
This thread is in the interview section. Request the mods to merge the threads
I remember walking past the office near Asok BTS VT the night after the Phuket belly flop.
Someone had lobbed a Brick through a window there but Maybe that was God's will too though. funny the window was fixed by next day.
Someone had lobbed a Brick through a window there but Maybe that was God's will too though. funny the window was fixed by next day.
