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So Droste,
What are you getting at?
Are u pissed that Aussies r getting in sg workforce?
Or CAAS licensing is having double standards?
Too many words but little understanding mate...
Either way, what issues are you refering to?
What are you getting at?
Are u pissed that Aussies r getting in sg workforce?
Or CAAS licensing is having double standards?
Too many words but little understanding mate...
Either way, what issues are you refering to?
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To the OP, the official documents do state that to convert a foreign license to a CAAS one, besides all the hour and syllabus requirement, it states that "the applicant shall demonstrate the need to hold a Singapore professional pilot license; and, such demonstration may be a letter from a Singapore operator, approved aviation training organisation or flying indicating prospective employment in a flying capacity."
So the main issue is about getting a job with local operator. I guess it's commonly agreed by now it is very difficult, if not impossible to secure employment elsewhere without holding that country's license and having the right to work and live there. Even if you could, to secure employment with a local operator like Tiger or Jetstar requires you to have the relevant ratings and experience on type. To get a job overseas is already difficult, let alone getting an A320 opportunity in this case.
I think the best or prudent way would be to try and qualify for the cadet programmes, which would almost ensure your employment after you complete the course. If this fails, possibly consider getting a CAAS license for a start?
So the main issue is about getting a job with local operator. I guess it's commonly agreed by now it is very difficult, if not impossible to secure employment elsewhere without holding that country's license and having the right to work and live there. Even if you could, to secure employment with a local operator like Tiger or Jetstar requires you to have the relevant ratings and experience on type. To get a job overseas is already difficult, let alone getting an A320 opportunity in this case.
I think the best or prudent way would be to try and qualify for the cadet programmes, which would almost ensure your employment after you complete the course. If this fails, possibly consider getting a CAAS license for a start?
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We have graduated sine 2009 and out of 24 in our batch, 1 got in jet airways and 1 indigo with the rest of us still jobless till today. But we have one senior who got in Sq as a cadet.
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It is very unfortunate that many of the guys who got their licenses outside of Singapore cannot secure a job back in Singapore itself. Conversion is a problem and getting a job with a local operator is also a problem.
As I have come to understand, from CAAS' perspective as a regulator, it is necessary for a candidate to go through a 'proper' CPL course, one which is approved by CAAS by their own regulations and requirements. A course that is approved by CAAS would be audited in terms of the training methods, training standards and course structure. The point is, having a CPL is not enough, you should obtain one through this 'proper' means that is acceptable to the authority.
Referring to the point Droste made with regards to local operators hiring only pilots with 200 hours with CAAS licenses, they are making the point that if you have a CAAS license, you'd have gone through a course and training standards that's acceptable to CAAS.
That said, where and how you get your license is important. It's the same for other countries like Europe, for fresh CPL holders to get a job with Ryanair, easy jet for example, they have to come through approved courses which are what CTC and CAE for example are providing.
As I have come to understand, from CAAS' perspective as a regulator, it is necessary for a candidate to go through a 'proper' CPL course, one which is approved by CAAS by their own regulations and requirements. A course that is approved by CAAS would be audited in terms of the training methods, training standards and course structure. The point is, having a CPL is not enough, you should obtain one through this 'proper' means that is acceptable to the authority.
Referring to the point Droste made with regards to local operators hiring only pilots with 200 hours with CAAS licenses, they are making the point that if you have a CAAS license, you'd have gone through a course and training standards that's acceptable to CAAS.
That said, where and how you get your license is important. It's the same for other countries like Europe, for fresh CPL holders to get a job with Ryanair, easy jet for example, they have to come through approved courses which are what CTC and CAE for example are providing.
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Originally Posted by dream747
... ...flying indicating prospective employment in a flying capacity.
Originally Posted by dream747
So the main issue is about getting a job with local operator. I guess it's commonly agreed by now it is very difficult, if not impossible to secure employment elsewhere without holding that country's license and having the right to work and live there. Even if you could, to secure employment with a local operator like Tiger or Jetstar requires you to have the relevant ratings and experience on type. To get a job overseas is already difficult, let alone getting an A320 opportunity in this case.
Originally Posted by dream747
I think the best or prudent way would be to try and qualify for the cadet programmes, which would almost ensure your employment after you complete the course.
There are self-funded guys with CAAS license who did not get into local air-operator.
Originally Posted by dream747
If this fails, possibly consider getting a CAAS license for a start?
Originally Posted by dream747
As I have come to understand, from CAAS' perspective as a regulator, it is necessary for a candidate to go through a 'proper' CPL course, one which is approved by CAAS by their own regulations and requirements. A course that is approved by CAAS would be audited in terms of the training methods, training standards and course structure. The point is, having a CPL is not enough, you should obtain one through this 'proper' means that is acceptable to the authority.
I knew some escaped, their license (no type rating, no jet experience) got conversion without question asked.
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Originally Posted by lingdee
We have graduated sine 2009 and out of 24 in our batch, 1 got in jet airways and 1 indigo with the rest of us still jobless till today. But we have one senior who got in Sq as a cadet.
Make wise choice in GE2016.
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On the other hand just a point to note as well, there were many Singaporean private candidates who went thorough an approved course and they all had an opportunity given to them by one or more local operators and most of them who made good use of it now are flying for their respective airlines.
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In a way it's good CAAS controls the cpl pool in sg, otherwise every kid with a rich daddy will be out playing "pilot" and endangering the lives of self loading freight.
When I was in sg I met a guy whom on the ground was already not only a danger to himself, but a danger to others, no sg airline would accept him into their cadet programs, in the end, he went to south Africa to train.
Now hes back and whines that caas would not convert his license, and deep down inside I am happy they didn't. Sg is a tiny country with almost no GA aviation (WSSL is all), so if you want to get a cadetship, you got to be at the top of the food chain.
When I was in sg I met a guy whom on the ground was already not only a danger to himself, but a danger to others, no sg airline would accept him into their cadet programs, in the end, he went to south Africa to train.
Now hes back and whines that caas would not convert his license, and deep down inside I am happy they didn't. Sg is a tiny country with almost no GA aviation (WSSL is all), so if you want to get a cadetship, you got to be at the top of the food chain.
