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Old 3rd May 2013, 05:33
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Air India flight operated by cabin crew whilst pilots sleep in J class.

Pilots suspended for handing over control to air-hostesses for a 40-minute loo break - Mumbai Mirror


Truly amazing.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 05:37
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To silly to be true.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 05:51
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How long before someone praises them because they got back to their seats in time and "no-one was hurt"?

As for "revert to you" only a lawyer could use a term like that, anybody else would reply in correct English
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Old 3rd May 2013, 05:56
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Incredible. How interesting to know that anyone can learn to operate a sophisticated passenger aircraft in 'a few minutes'.
Captain Soni did not leave the cockpit immediately; instead, he spent a few minutes teaching the two stewardesses how to operate the aircraft.
"We will revert to you on receiving their reply."
Standard Indian subcontinent English.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 06:31
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How long before AI blame Airbus for making it too easy to turn off the Autopilot?

Indian companies, especially those run by the government are always keen to make sure the buck does not stop with them.

They blamed Boeing for the 772LR not fitting their route structure and loosing them money, despite the fact THEY ordered it then promptly had them sit around doing nothing but gather dust 80% of the time.
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"We will revert to you on receiving their reply."
Standard Indian subcontinent English.

It's used in SA as well, but that still doesn't make it the correct use
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I cannot believe this actually happened.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 08:39
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Well Captain Soni could have a new career after, hopefully, his services are no longer required at Air India.

He could set up a fast track learn to fly a large commercial jet in minutes business.


Think how much you could save on all those expensive courses before applying to large International airlines!
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Old 3rd May 2013, 08:46
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Although incredible absurdities are commonplece on the fine sub-continent, I do find it a bit hard to fanthom that anyone with sufficient aviation knowlede to get that thing up in the air in the first place would actually display such level of recklessness. I would treat the story with a pich of salt until confirmed by some credible source.
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An Aeroflot Airbus commander let his teenage children do exactly the same thing, resulting in a crash, about 15 years ago I think.
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An Aeroflot Airbus commander let his teenage children do exactly the same thing, resulting in a crash, about 15 years ago I think.
The Aeroflot Captain allowed his 16yo son to "play" with the controls, while a rated FO sat in the right hand seat. He didn't leave the cockpit to go to sleep in business for 40 minutes with the FO! (NB: I'm not saying the Aeroflot incident wasn't also insane.)

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Old 3rd May 2013, 09:08
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Anyone who has ever been to India should not be in the least bit surprised by this story. I'm not. Sadly...

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Old 3rd May 2013, 09:15
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Yeah the Aeroflot crash was due to the captain not really paying attention to what his son was doing to the flight controls, a constant force on control yoke disengaged the autopilot.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 09:42
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Bloody hell, a disengaged autopilot in the cruise? No wonder they couldn't recover the aircraft from that state...

Another great example of airmanship!

Bravo to the Russians as well as the Indians!

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The Aeroflot accident was a bit more complicated , :
With the autopilot active, Kudrinsky, against regulations, let [his kids[ sit at the controls. First his daughter Yana took the pilot's left front seat. Kudrinsky adjusted the autopilot's heading to give her the impression that she was turning the plane, though she actually had no control of the aircraft. Next his son, Eldar, took the pilot's seat. Unlike his sister, Eldar applied enough force to the control column to contradict the autopilot for 30 seconds. This caused the flight computer to switch the plane's ailerons to manual control while maintaining control over the other flight systems. The plane did not audibly signal a warning that this had occurred, although an indicator light did come on. It apparently went unnoticed by the pilots, who had previously flown Russian-designed planes which had audible warning signals with partial A/P disconnect. .
The first to notice a problem was Eldar, who observed that the plane was banking right. Shortly after, the flight path indicator changed to show the new flight path of the aircraft as it turned. Since the turn was continuous, the resulting predicted flight path drawn on screen was a 180 degree turn. This indication is similar to the indications shown when in a holding pattern, This confused the pilots for nine seconds. During this confusion, the plane banked past a 45-degree angle . This increased the g-force on the pilots and crew, making it impossible for them to regain control. After the plane banked to 90 degrees, the remaining functions of the autopilot tried to correct its plummeting altitude by putting the plane in an almost vertical ascent, nearly stalling the plane. The co-pilot and Eldar managed to get the plane into a nosedive, which reduced the g-force they were experiencing and enabled the captain to take the controls. Though he and his co-pilot did regain control, their altitude by then was too low to recover, and the plane crashed at high vertical speed, estimated at 70 m/s (14,000 ft/min). All aboard were killed.
The aircraft crashed gear up, and all passengers had been prepared for an emergency, as they were strapped into their seats. No distress calls were made prior to the crash. Despite the struggles of both pilots to save the aircraft, it was later concluded that if they had just let go of the control column, the autopilot would have automatically taken action to prevent stalling, thus avoiding the accident.
It must be said in their defense ,that allowing family members and friends to sit at the controls on cruise, notably to take photos, was extremely common before that time, and everywhere, not only in Russia.
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Come on guys, Mumbai Mirror is not a very reputable news paper. Have you seen the business class seats in Air India A321? I'd bet on it that the pilot seats are more comfortable than their J class seats.

I'm sure there is more to this story, I just hope that we will find out the truth.
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Lets hope it doesn't give Mr O'Leary any idea's
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Air India operates by a special set of CARs versus the private carriers.

As for new reporting, how may reporters could report any tory with any degree of accuracy and honesty, even if it happened right before their bloody eyes?
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The inside dope. F/o on toilet break. As per SOP one C/C called in but invited to take P2 seat. Shortly after second C/c walks in , incredibly offered the P1 seat. Capt standing and teaching them how to fly a A-321 at 33000 ft. F/O comes back from toilet and all resume normal duties. Insiders say the F/O reported the matter to Flight Safety on arrival at DEL.
Capt Soni and the two c/c are under suspension.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 12:51
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Captain Soni did not leave the cockpit immediately; instead, he spent a few minutes teaching the two stewardesseshow to operatetheaircraft
Bernard CHABERT, the best French Airshow Animator, told once at the FERTE-ALLAIS annual famous meeting : "By AIR FRANCE the best pilot is Stewardess" and Catherine MAUNOURY (aerobatics world champion) did her show. Today she is the Le Bourget Air Museum Director...
She said she started to learn aerobatics as she did ñot understood well the flight.
All that was before AF447 Captain Dubois rest...
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