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friend of mine 12000 TT 3500 on the little buses, struggling to get a job cause he's been out for some time, current though. anyone can explain?
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The only place in the world, where pilots have to pay for their TR, almost as a mandatory issue, is Europe. In Asia, they made the people pay because there is a lot of idiots "rich-dad-babies" from Europe, who want to pay, yes they want to pay, the thing is in Asia, due the amount of population and GDP grow, they don't have enough idiots with a bought TR with a decent amount of hours, so they lower the minimums, and or made the idiots from Europe to pay line training. ONLY because these idiots want to feel great seated on a right seat in a shiny jet. An average of 50000 €, $, £, or whatever, is a big, big money. It's just prostitution!!!
In America, from Canada to Argentina, no one has to pay for a TR, if some body paid, is because was an idiot. LAN tried to make the people pay, and the unions worked out.
So guys, stop acting like idiots, respect and make the rest to respect you, I consider a colleague who pays a TR, for whatever reason, an IDIOT, that's it
In America, from Canada to Argentina, no one has to pay for a TR, if some body paid, is because was an idiot. LAN tried to make the people pay, and the unions worked out.
So guys, stop acting like idiots, respect and make the rest to respect you, I consider a colleague who pays a TR, for whatever reason, an IDIOT, that's it
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gtr21,
I have 7000 hrs, 4600 PIC, 1800 jet
F/O on A300, 733-3,737-2
Capt on CRJ900, CRJ200, LR35, WW24, BA31, D228.
Its been a brutal 4 months and I am desperate to get back to work.
Like I said if your Capt typed and current and with all FAA, ICAO, JAA licence yeah sure lots of work.
Lets not forget also that you have the right to work in a number of these countries. Some of the countries down here have been putting pressure on their airlines to only hire their own nationals. I have a lot of respect for that assuming that you have enough people with the education and experience to fill those positions; otherwise you end up with a problem and can be labeled with a unsafe rating.
I have 7000 hrs, 4600 PIC, 1800 jet
F/O on A300, 733-3,737-2
Capt on CRJ900, CRJ200, LR35, WW24, BA31, D228.
Its been a brutal 4 months and I am desperate to get back to work.
Like I said if your Capt typed and current and with all FAA, ICAO, JAA licence yeah sure lots of work.
Lets not forget also that you have the right to work in a number of these countries. Some of the countries down here have been putting pressure on their airlines to only hire their own nationals. I have a lot of respect for that assuming that you have enough people with the education and experience to fill those positions; otherwise you end up with a problem and can be labeled with a unsafe rating.
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It disappoints me that kids and there parents are still willing to take these massive loans, gambling the life of the whole family to follow this pipedream of becoming an airline pilot, which by the way is not the job it used to be. The flight training organisations particularly companies like CTC in Europe are nothing more than sharks peddling this unrealistic dream.
In China the only jobs worth having for the next few years will be for experienced type rated Captains. There will be non type rated jobs, but if you enter non type rated, however good you are, you will be considered a second class Pilot and the CAAC will make things as hard for you as possible.
In China the only jobs worth having for the next few years will be for experienced type rated Captains. There will be non type rated jobs, but if you enter non type rated, however good you are, you will be considered a second class Pilot and the CAAC will make things as hard for you as possible.
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klunk49,
Thanks, but as a Canadian I don't have the right to work in the USA.
The Japan contracts want someone who is current, I am 2 years expired.
I replied saying that the experience is still valuable but they were not interested and there is the attitude in Asia.
Kungfu Panda,
You're right its a shame to see, the industry is not what it use to be. Its a ton of money to throw into a career that will yield so many hardships for new young pilots. There will always be a select few who the stars line up just right and they will end up with an amazing and rewarding career, but they are few and far between.
Bottom line again if your a Captain on a 737 or 320 with 500 PIC you have your choice of work and conditions
Thanks, but as a Canadian I don't have the right to work in the USA.
The Japan contracts want someone who is current, I am 2 years expired.
I replied saying that the experience is still valuable but they were not interested and there is the attitude in Asia.
Kungfu Panda,
You're right its a shame to see, the industry is not what it use to be. Its a ton of money to throw into a career that will yield so many hardships for new young pilots. There will always be a select few who the stars line up just right and they will end up with an amazing and rewarding career, but they are few and far between.
Bottom line again if your a Captain on a 737 or 320 with 500 PIC you have your choice of work and conditions
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@ OAD i can tell you for a fact not every guy who comes here to asia pays for his Tr or an agency.
I agree P2F is not the right way to go but paying a TR doesn't make you an idiot.
I agree guys who just join up with eagle jet or any other agencies right after flying school and jump on to jets are killing the industry but dont put the guys who leave their country behind and go knocking on each and every door asking for a job and eventually when they do hear back the only way they will be hired is if they pay for their type rating.
These guys pay for TR but that's it, they do not pay to fly, they payed to get a rating and that was it. Here even if you want to fly a caravan if you are a foreigner you need to fund the Tr your self.
so if you want to moan, moan at the guys who take their money and throw it at agencies,moan at the agencies who cater to the idiots
I agree P2F is not the right way to go but paying a TR doesn't make you an idiot.
I agree guys who just join up with eagle jet or any other agencies right after flying school and jump on to jets are killing the industry but dont put the guys who leave their country behind and go knocking on each and every door asking for a job and eventually when they do hear back the only way they will be hired is if they pay for their type rating.
These guys pay for TR but that's it, they do not pay to fly, they payed to get a rating and that was it. Here even if you want to fly a caravan if you are a foreigner you need to fund the Tr your self.
so if you want to moan, moan at the guys who take their money and throw it at agencies,moan at the agencies who cater to the idiots
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my mail box is still empty... i presume there is no pilot shortage in asia....!
I believe money falls from the sky for some. some have so much money to spend that they will pay their son 200k euro for a license and a type rating and maybe 6 months jobs. some people on earth make 1000 to 2000$ a second... and they do nothing, just bla bla in meetings... like these guys in Saudi. Chinese will be next to come with their cash to buy training in airlines.
now we are at 6 months line training if lucky to fly every week, still no money at the end of line training.. to finish unemployed.
in 12 months we will see airlines asking for 500h jet to fly for 500h line training then take the door.
then they will ask for 1000h jet to pay for 2000h.and so on... and get out for next Nintendo player.
i bet in 3 or 5 years we will call it the half million $ real video game... (airbus) !
and still unemployed...
in fact pilots play the pilot. they play with fms, navigation displays.,... it s not a job anymore... it s a pass time.! pilots don't say they work, the say they fly... mean they play.... they never grew up... they think about themselves only and don't know what work mean. parents pay for everything. so why not to take their money.? airlines understand this new generation of kids who want everything now...
have a good day... :-)
I believe money falls from the sky for some. some have so much money to spend that they will pay their son 200k euro for a license and a type rating and maybe 6 months jobs. some people on earth make 1000 to 2000$ a second... and they do nothing, just bla bla in meetings... like these guys in Saudi. Chinese will be next to come with their cash to buy training in airlines.
now we are at 6 months line training if lucky to fly every week, still no money at the end of line training.. to finish unemployed.
in 12 months we will see airlines asking for 500h jet to fly for 500h line training then take the door.
then they will ask for 1000h jet to pay for 2000h.and so on... and get out for next Nintendo player.
i bet in 3 or 5 years we will call it the half million $ real video game... (airbus) !
and still unemployed...in fact pilots play the pilot. they play with fms, navigation displays.,... it s not a job anymore... it s a pass time.! pilots don't say they work, the say they fly... mean they play.... they never grew up... they think about themselves only and don't know what work mean. parents pay for everything. so why not to take their money.? airlines understand this new generation of kids who want everything now...
have a good day... :-)
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@joblooker have you mailed any of the companies here ??
my bet will be try and get an email in to susi air . they fly caravans and have a lot of foreign pilots working for them
my bet will be try and get an email in to susi air . they fly caravans and have a lot of foreign pilots working for them
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Hi Training wheels,
Thanks, yes I have. I spoke with one of the senior guys in hiring who said they want current typed Indonesians first. I can't fault them at that ........ but there is no way that they have that many typed and experienced pilots there looking for work in Indonesia.
Also my killer is that I have not flown the RJ for 2.5 years so I am not current plus a little short on the command time that they want.
I know its only my selfish perspective but it does not make sense to me, as a airline your desperately short of typed and experienced guys why would they not consider me? I still have a good level of experience on the a/c and that is worth a lot, yes?
Plus I am 737-300 typed and current, arrrrrgh.
Very frustrating especially when you desperately need a job
Thanks, yes I have. I spoke with one of the senior guys in hiring who said they want current typed Indonesians first. I can't fault them at that ........ but there is no way that they have that many typed and experienced pilots there looking for work in Indonesia.
Also my killer is that I have not flown the RJ for 2.5 years so I am not current plus a little short on the command time that they want.
I know its only my selfish perspective but it does not make sense to me, as a airline your desperately short of typed and experienced guys why would they not consider me? I still have a good level of experience on the a/c and that is worth a lot, yes?
Plus I am 737-300 typed and current, arrrrrgh.
Very frustrating especially when you desperately need a job
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Slowstream, there's also Sriwijaya and Express Air in Indo that IMO you should apply to.
Also, no harm in trying for the CRJ seat in Garuda. I see mainly foreign pilots flying those gorgeous babies.
It might be a good investment to visit Indonesia. You can get some cheap surfing or diving lessons here. At least if you don't get a job, you got to learn how to surf or dive meanwhile...
Also, no harm in trying for the CRJ seat in Garuda. I see mainly foreign pilots flying those gorgeous babies.
It might be a good investment to visit Indonesia. You can get some cheap surfing or diving lessons here. At least if you don't get a job, you got to learn how to surf or dive meanwhile...
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"who include around 340 high-cost expatriate commanders"
This is a stupid comment! Of course Expat Commanders need to be highly paid to choose to fly and be based in India; because when you are an experienced Captain on A320, 737, A330 or 777, with a nice FAA or JAA licence, you have a choice!
Top tup: very well said!
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This is a stupid comment! Of course Expat Commanders need to be highly paid to choose to fly and be based in India; because when you are an experienced Captain on A320, 737, A330 or 777, with a nice FAA or JAA licence, you have a choice!
Top tup: very well said!
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Thanks, it looks like I am going on the road next week to Ind & Tha and stop in and see some of these airlines! Hopefully I will get in to see some of the people I need to see. God knows I've zero luck trying to follow up with them on the phone or via e-mail.
Thanks for the info on Sriwijaya, I was not aware of them.
I've applied several times to Garuda and Expressair, but plan on stopping by both of them next week.
Yes, the RJ900 is a good looking bird, I loved flying it and it handles very similar to the 737-3
Cheers & thanks again!
Thanks, it looks like I am going on the road next week to Ind & Tha and stop in and see some of these airlines! Hopefully I will get in to see some of the people I need to see. God knows I've zero luck trying to follow up with them on the phone or via e-mail.
Thanks for the info on Sriwijaya, I was not aware of them.
I've applied several times to Garuda and Expressair, but plan on stopping by both of them next week.
Yes, the RJ900 is a good looking bird, I loved flying it and it handles very similar to the 737-3
Cheers & thanks again!
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New hire pilots get paid peanuts in the US. In Europe and Asia, pilots are required to pay for their type rating and only then will they have a shot at a job. The Middle East airlines have the fastest growth in terms of aircraft purchases, and yet, they seem to pick and choose the best and most experienced out of the world's airlines. Some countries will only hire nationals for new hires, others will take type rated pilots only on contract. Some only want former military.The drumbeat carries on.
Does this look like a pilot shortage to you? To me it smacks of opportunistic flying schools trying to make a quick buck as the media fuels the pilot shortage myth.
Folks, there has been a pilot shortage now for four decades. Or not.......
Alt3.
Does this look like a pilot shortage to you? To me it smacks of opportunistic flying schools trying to make a quick buck as the media fuels the pilot shortage myth.
Folks, there has been a pilot shortage now for four decades. Or not.......
Alt3.
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