737 or A320
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737 or A320
I know there is a slump for 320 guys and going for 320 typerating is useless coz of kingfisher......But my question is ..... IS IT A GOOD TIME TO GO FOR A 737 TYPE??
With future A/C orders it looks a nice weather for 737 guys. Whatsay ?
With future A/C orders it looks a nice weather for 737 guys. Whatsay ?
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A320/ATR
I still think A320 is a better option for long run if you see the number of orders. I know right now due to Kf the market is not that good for A320 rated guys but I think it will improve in 4-6 months.
ATR second safe bet. As regional connectivity policy will be soon announced.
ATR second safe bet. As regional connectivity policy will be soon announced.
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What about 737 ? Jet is coming with vacancies....and heard that air india express will also open as soon as the 787 fiasco is over.....spice also looking good in future
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Don't gamble on a 737 type. There are so many pilots out there with a considerable amount of time on type looking for work. If a company needs an F/O they can easily find one with 1000-2000h on type who will accept a contract.
A320 is also a gamble but maybe better in the long run?
Just remember that you are choosing between the less of two evils here... A low hour pilot with a fresh TR isn't exactly the airlines dream candidate at this time...
A320 is also a gamble but maybe better in the long run?
Just remember that you are choosing between the less of two evils here... A low hour pilot with a fresh TR isn't exactly the airlines dream candidate at this time...
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best buy would be an ATR type rating. Jet, Air India, Quikjet, and a couple of other companies fly ATR's and a few upcoming airlines are also planning for ATR's. Also the neighboring countries have a good fleet of ATR's specially if you look in the South East.
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I would wait for the new Route Dispersal Guidelines to be published by MoCA
This could alter the order books of the aircraft type to be inducted by the airlines in India
It should be published by the end of Feb or beginning of March
There is no shortage of 737 or 320 rated pilots . Dont forget that it costs about 2 lakh rupees to renew the IR rating as well every year
This could alter the order books of the aircraft type to be inducted by the airlines in India
It should be published by the end of Feb or beginning of March
There is no shortage of 737 or 320 rated pilots . Dont forget that it costs about 2 lakh rupees to renew the IR rating as well every year
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best buy would be an ATR type rating.
Jet, Air India, Quikjet, and a couple of other companies fly ATR's and a few upcoming airlines are also planning for ATR's.
Last time they called in TR Guys for a written - about 60+ appeared for 14 vacancies. Mind you this was before the KingFisher debacle, so now they do a wide range to choose from. The F/O Intake minima has therefore risen to 100 Hours on Type (ATR 72-500). Good Luck with that.
Air India(Alliance Air) - Shoddy airline doing shoddy flying in shoddy places with shoddy aircraft. Screwed themselves by getting kicked out of the North-East. Fleet size has decresed to 4 now, with only 1 aircraft taking to the skies on a given day. On the Verge of closing down CCU as a base, with MAA soon to follow(if not closed down already)
Quikjet - Min. Req for F/Os - To be released to fly with a Line Captain on the 72-200. That's easier said than done, unless you worked for Deccan.
StartUps - Name them please. Paramount? Dream on - Surprised if they ever take off AGAIN! Pegasus? - Yawn!A huge one like a Hippo!
Also the neighboring countries have a good fleet of ATR's specially if you look in the South East.
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For A320 :
Indigo - Too many rated guys( CAE + Open market ) are waiting since last almost 2 years courtesy Mr. Mallya.Plus Indigo wont stop doing self sponsored 320 TR for bare CPL holders as they make more money out of that.
Go Air - Last 320 rated exam got more than 80+ pilots with hours on type.Before that they took exam but never came out with result...So anybody's guess what next they might do in future 320 intake.
KFA - Almost out and biting dust...Won;t fly again till KFA uncle and his top pimps don't distribute barrels of Scotch...Still that wont be enough.
AI Domestic - Too many pilots with 320 under their belt but they are logging too few hours per month.With AI managment only GOD knows what they will do next
For 737 :
Jet - 2011 Feb exam for CPL holders are waiting for next assessment ....recruited many KFA ATR /320 pilots.Next week they have invited 737 rated guys for exam and same goes for experienced ATR pilots from lost hope KFA....So they might induct few more but certainly not in bucket load.
Spice - You got contact = You got JOB . You got contact = You get called for exam ( If any ).Simple as that...many would say i got job because i studied...and that's bull****.Rating or no rating....if you got contact = you got job. Spicejet is evergreen ...
AIX - Always looking for captains/check pilots / examiners ......only time they come up with co pilot vacancies are when daddies in AI think their kids are big for new toys. Ohh by the way they always change something or other thing to make it easy for privileged lots in adverts.But they need pilots thick and fast so one can hope.
ATR : For this rating
LOL
Cargo / Regional -
Best is to wait this time...or get 737 but then again its risk.Maintaing Rating year after year with no job is even costlier than maintaining high cost girlfriend or wife's
Sorry but that's my take.
Indigo - Too many rated guys( CAE + Open market ) are waiting since last almost 2 years courtesy Mr. Mallya.Plus Indigo wont stop doing self sponsored 320 TR for bare CPL holders as they make more money out of that.
Go Air - Last 320 rated exam got more than 80+ pilots with hours on type.Before that they took exam but never came out with result...So anybody's guess what next they might do in future 320 intake.
KFA - Almost out and biting dust...Won;t fly again till KFA uncle and his top pimps don't distribute barrels of Scotch...Still that wont be enough.
AI Domestic - Too many pilots with 320 under their belt but they are logging too few hours per month.With AI managment only GOD knows what they will do next
For 737 :
Jet - 2011 Feb exam for CPL holders are waiting for next assessment ....recruited many KFA ATR /320 pilots.Next week they have invited 737 rated guys for exam and same goes for experienced ATR pilots from lost hope KFA....So they might induct few more but certainly not in bucket load.
Spice - You got contact = You got JOB . You got contact = You get called for exam ( If any ).Simple as that...many would say i got job because i studied...and that's bull****.Rating or no rating....if you got contact = you got job. Spicejet is evergreen ...
AIX - Always looking for captains/check pilots / examiners ......only time they come up with co pilot vacancies are when daddies in AI think their kids are big for new toys. Ohh by the way they always change something or other thing to make it easy for privileged lots in adverts.But they need pilots thick and fast so one can hope.
ATR : For this rating
LOL
Cargo / Regional -
Best is to wait this time...or get 737 but then again its risk.Maintaing Rating year after year with no job is even costlier than maintaining high cost girlfriend or wife's
Sorry but that's my take.
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@PEC
I wouldnt be that quick to write off about Paramount Airways
They have 1650 crore in the Bank account from the litigation money they won recently in the UK
While I believe they have debts from the past , they will still have enough money to buy 6 ATR 72 at full price instead of taking a lease
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Long time no post on PPRuNe
@CF680E1
Volk never had any approval from the Ministry to start an airline.......
I wouldnt be that quick to write off about Paramount Airways
They have 1650 crore in the Bank account from the litigation money they won recently in the UK
While I believe they have debts from the past , they will still have enough money to buy 6 ATR 72 at full price instead of taking a lease
@Johny Boy
Long time no post on PPRuNe
@CF680E1
Volk never had any approval from the Ministry to start an airline.......
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Volk for the time being has disappeared.
A320 a better option in long run and IC will come up for sure this year for A320 rated guys.
Volk for the time being has disappeared.
A320 a better option in long run and IC will come up for sure this year for A320 rated guys.
AI management wanted to take 100 rated pilots from market some time in late august or so and guess what was in offer for fresh ZERO hour rated pilots - 100 Hours Min on Type for basic requirements
which was rightly rejected by union of IC with a simple one word - Strike You see unemployed/grounded/terminated ( choose any one of them ) KFA pilots will rule the game of recruitment for sometime for 320 TR intake till every inch of gold puppies or flying donkey's are down and belted on 320 cockpit ( Read C0ck Pitty ).
Cyrilroy - Was sipping some sort of alcoholic concoction on tropical sandy beach before some one spotted me with PPRUNE page out in open and let known my secret of lately being passive lurker of this network.
Hope you are doing great community service on this site.
Last take of mine - 320 is better for longer time....but when will longer time come...will it ever come..by the time it does come there will be another long list of 320 guys on floor wishing they went just a tad early then rest ? Another thing is seeing 737 guys getting called for anal exams or c0ckpit simulations would certainly kill every last inch of humour out of me if i was thinking of 320 rating any time soon.
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@ Cyril Mathew Roy
Really? What makes you "write them ON" then? Being Optimistic or Pesimistic doesn't help anyone, being Realistic does.
1650 Crores? I believe the Settlement never took place so far, not to mention ELC isn't going to lump-sum 1650 Crores to Thiagarajan's Bonfire.
Paramount has always been Thiagarajan's brand extension of Himself, his acheivements, his laurels - Not the other way around. No wonder he has his balls to the wall, at the drop of a hat.
6 ATR 72-600s Exacto - Have you checked the Delivery time frame on those babies?
Boy....and how!
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I wouldnt be that quick to write off about Paramount Airways
I wouldnt be that quick to write off about Paramount Airways
They have 1650 crore in the Bank account from the litigation money they won recently in the UK
Paramount has always been Thiagarajan's brand extension of Himself, his acheivements, his laurels - Not the other way around. No wonder he has his balls to the wall, at the drop of a hat.
While I believe they have debts from the past , they will still have enough money to buy 6 ATR 72 at full price instead of taking a lease
Cyrilroy -Hope you are doing great community service on this site.
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All my info regarding Paramount is from the various news articles that have been floating around lately
You can read them here
The Hindu : Business / Companies : Paramount Airways plans to restart by May
Mentioned in the above article
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ml#post7651890
I agree news articles are not always reliable when it comes to aviation . But if you have any info or reason to believe that they wont be starting operations then please do share it with us
The only reason as far as I can see stopping them is if their past debts take away a huge size of their litigation money
or
The Home Ministry Denies a security clearance to the promoters of Paramount Airways due to the CBI case filed against them.
All my info regarding Paramount is from the various news articles that have been floating around lately
You can read them here
The Hindu : Business / Companies : Paramount Airways plans to restart by May
Mentioned in the above article
“The money has now come into our account, and we are finalising plans to restart operations in April. The DGCA has given its go-ahead. There was no liability on the company as the airline was making profit for three years prior to closing down,” the Paramount Airlines official said asking not to be named
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ml#post7651890
I agree news articles are not always reliable when it comes to aviation . But if you have any info or reason to believe that they wont be starting operations then please do share it with us
The only reason as far as I can see stopping them is if their past debts take away a huge size of their litigation money
or
The Home Ministry Denies a security clearance to the promoters of Paramount Airways due to the CBI case filed against them.
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@johny boy
About Volk I just answered someone's question. I never trust any new start-ups until they show up on MOCA's website.
About A320 I'm still optimistic because mots of the KF guys are flying with either Jet Spice or Indigo and the rest are being adsorbed by Go slowly.
And @ 6e's bringing in A320's and seeing at the recruitment process they hire guys atleast a year head before they start I see them hiring maybe in next 6-8 months.
About Volk I just answered someone's question. I never trust any new start-ups until they show up on MOCA's website.
About A320 I'm still optimistic because mots of the KF guys are flying with either Jet Spice or Indigo and the rest are being adsorbed by Go slowly.
And @ 6e's bringing in A320's and seeing at the recruitment process they hire guys atleast a year head before they start I see them hiring maybe in next 6-8 months.
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About A320 I'm still optimistic because mots of the KF guys are flying with either Jet Spice or Indigo and the rest are being adsorbed by Go slowly.
And @ 6e's bringing in A320's and seeing at the recruitment process they hire guys atleast a year head before they start I see them hiring maybe in next 6-8 months.
And @ 6e's bringing in A320's and seeing at the recruitment process they hire guys atleast a year head before they start I see them hiring maybe in next 6-8 months.
At Indigo there are 120+ airbus rated pilots warming bench since 2011 july from various recruitment drive plus april 2012 cae assessment cpl holders in wait for next stage and you believe that they will hire in 6-8 months .....
Jet took about 20 or so of airbus guys for A330. They have again called ATR pilots with hours on type so comfort yourself about Jet which has kept cpl holders from 2011 feb exam in dark for two years and Jet don't even operate 320....
Spice well they took mostly ATR guys for Dash and handful of airbus.
Yes Indigo got lion share of new KFA pilots ( 300 or so ) but they have stopped taking them since last march so where will rest of flying donkey's will go now and did i ever mentioned about IAF pilots trying to cut in civil world ?
Indigo / Go / AI /Spice - All are bringing planes but most are as replacements not capacity addition. Jet are trying hard to find buyers for 777 and same goes for AI..but didn't we hear same thing about plane orders and bull**** from late 2004 till 2010 that created mad jungle rush to become pilots ?
Hell everyone knows what happened back then....No one can map or time this industry and that's a fact.
Sir kindly don't give false hope to someone who is in hopeless position since long time as maintaining rating is expensive option.
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Sir kindly don't give false hope to someone who is in hopeless position since long time as maintaining rating is expensive option.
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Cyril,
You said it.
You said it again. With so many variables in the equation you still find reason enough to "Write-them-ON"?
Let me jog your memory, if we do remember the last time I7 was in Operation, countless unemployed CPL holders were fleeced out of their 25L by scum of the earth bean counters at MD Thiagarajan's baby.
Back then, 25 L was a huge sum (Remember the age of a pre-first gig Type Rating being a norm hadn't yet kicked into the industry)
So by all means, if you feel the fraternity of CPL holders hasn't seen enough already, kindly do the needful- Sound the horn for Thiagarajan. Publicize his "I-have-1650Crs-" airline.
I agree news articles are not always reliable when it comes to aviation
The only reason as far as I can see stopping them is if their past debts take away a huge size of their litigation money
or
The Home Ministry Denies a security clearance to the promoters of Paramount Airways due to the CBI case filed against them.
or
The Home Ministry Denies a security clearance to the promoters of Paramount Airways due to the CBI case filed against them.
Let me jog your memory, if we do remember the last time I7 was in Operation, countless unemployed CPL holders were fleeced out of their 25L by scum of the earth bean counters at MD Thiagarajan's baby.
Back then, 25 L was a huge sum (Remember the age of a pre-first gig Type Rating being a norm hadn't yet kicked into the industry)
So by all means, if you feel the fraternity of CPL holders hasn't seen enough already, kindly do the needful- Sound the horn for Thiagarajan. Publicize his "I-have-1650Crs-" airline.
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I think you seem to have misunderstood my statement or taken it in the wrong context .
You Initially mentioned this
And I countered it by saying that they might come back in action seeing how they received lots of money
I never said that they will back for sure
All I meant was its too early to say that they won't come back in light of the new developments taking place .
I am very well aware about Paramount's past dealings and how they disappeared with the money for type ratings as well as non payment of salaries to both Indian and foreign pilots .
And I seriously wish that those who were cheated of their money will get it back soon .
Just because I because I mention them on pprune or start a new thread with a news article about them does not mean that I am trying to advertise on their behalf .
And to everyone else.........
Please dont go out there and do a type rating just because Paramount or some start up airline orders a particular aircraft .
As PEC mentioned they did disappear with a lot money from CPL holders which they took in the guise of a type rating .
If I remember correctly even after paying 25 lakhs for the type rating they would make you sign a contract with only 15000 rupees as a monthly salary
If rumours are to be believed some even paid an extra 15 lakh to some Vice president or senior HR in the company to recruit them .
They shut down in the end and disappeared with the money.
I believe that those who lost money had filed cases against the company
You have been warned........
I think you seem to have misunderstood my statement or taken it in the wrong context .
You Initially mentioned this
StartUps - Name them please. Paramount? Dream on - Surprised if they ever take off AGAIN
I never said that they will back for sure
All I meant was its too early to say that they won't come back in light of the new developments taking place .
I am very well aware about Paramount's past dealings and how they disappeared with the money for type ratings as well as non payment of salaries to both Indian and foreign pilots .
And I seriously wish that those who were cheated of their money will get it back soon .
Just because I because I mention them on pprune or start a new thread with a news article about them does not mean that I am trying to advertise on their behalf .
And to everyone else.........
Please dont go out there and do a type rating just because Paramount or some start up airline orders a particular aircraft .
As PEC mentioned they did disappear with a lot money from CPL holders which they took in the guise of a type rating .
If I remember correctly even after paying 25 lakhs for the type rating they would make you sign a contract with only 15000 rupees as a monthly salary
If rumours are to be believed some even paid an extra 15 lakh to some Vice president or senior HR in the company to recruit them .
They shut down in the end and disappeared with the money.
I believe that those who lost money had filed cases against the company
You have been warned........
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