737 or A320
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737 and A320 ........If both are evils....my point is which evil is less evil in the current scenario?
A320, B737NG, B737CL, ATR, DHC8Q400, ....Whatever be it, you might as well draw the cash, get it home and flush it down the crapper. Thats exactly what you will end up doing if you buy a rating in this scenario.
And for those who'd obviously raise "Then-how-do-i-get-a-job?" question, "Wait" I know you are at the edge already and if someone nudges you around, you might just fall off the cliff. But fortune favors the patient. There will come a time, there will come a day. And when your shot is up, take it with all you've got.
@ Cyril, Finally, we can co-exist.
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Sir kindly don't give false hope to someone who is in hopeless position since long time as maintaining rating is expensive option.
At Indigo there are 120+ airbus rated pilots warming bench since 2011 july from various recruitment drive plus april 2012 cae assessment cpl holders in wait for next stage and you believe that they will hire in 6-8 months .....
Indigo / Go / AI /Spice - All are bringing planes but most are as replacements not capacity addition.
Aircraft Acquisition Committee (AAC) meeting today 11 Feb at MOCA.
We can wait for the rest approvals to come.
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I am giving false hopes. I am motivating some to take a decision which many pilots sitting at home are not able to do because of so many negative so guys around.
How can a person be motivated by spending 25K-30K $ on rating which will sit on his CPL for a year then demand 4k$ renewal procedure is beyond my thinking considering current market saturation.It's same for 737 too.
I am one of the long list guys waiting to join indigo so I am aware of the numbers well. wont disclose it here but its way to less.
Since you quoted this
I dont know about other but see Indigo's history and well you will come to know. This year they plan to bring in 16 and I know they just got approval of 5 aircrafts
Aircraft Acquisition Committee (AAC) meeting today 11 Feb at MOCA.
We can wait for the rest approvals to come.
Aircraft Acquisition Committee (AAC) meeting today 11 Feb at MOCA.
We can wait for the rest approvals to come.
You order 100 planes and replace old ones with new saving you on D checks on older planes.With large orders you get free 1/2 Simulators or rating on that type or both....market observation is that you get free 2 set of ratings/plane from plane manufacturer.So CAE comes in with their sims and trains Indigo pilots where CAE gets fee's from candidates and large chunk goes to Indigo as they are providing CAE business. But Indigo get free rated pilot so cost saved on training.Saving Indigo money and earning them money.
When you get new planes you sell older planes to leasing company and lease back few to maintain capacity in market.You add 5 planes to new routes but discard 3 old planes out of service and hence only 2 planes added in fleet or capacity.Saving Indigo money.
When 70% order is obtained , place another order which will generate mass discount from plane manufacturer and then whole cycle revolves.Saving Indigo money.
I would relish if Indigo or all other operators add planes and increase pilot intakes at various experience levels.
But I don't think Indigo would stop generating money from pilot training of fresh cpl holders by taking only rated pilots.You should understand all airlines that calling rated pilots for examinations is for urgent/immediate requirements.
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737 and A320 ........If both are evils....my point is which evil is less evil in the current scenario?
Save money and investment it which will at least give you monthly returns.I say spend all money on fix deposits @12 % and sit back enjoy your free time at home reading books and laugh in future seeing all people who went for rating submitting their rear at DGCA office for yearly NOC's...
If you or daddy got money to waste...adopt me !
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Adding to what Johny Boy has to say above regarding IndiGo
While IndiGo does have a large number of aircraft on order and a brilliant business plan , dont forget that in the coming a years a significant number of aircraft will be sent back to the lease holders when the aircraft reaches the D Check stage .
To put that into perspective Out of the Original 100 Aircraft order from Airbus 76 Aircraft have been delivered........Only 63 are active in the fleet
IndiGo has indicated that they plan to raise increase the fleet count to 71 aircraft by the end of 2013
An IndiGo LOI holder due to join in the coming months told me that they have 900 Pilots ( Captains + FO )including the LOI holders waiting to join .
Assuming no attrition among the pilot ranks.......Thats more than enough Pilots for atleast 90 aircraft .
While IndiGo does have a large number of aircraft on order and a brilliant business plan , dont forget that in the coming a years a significant number of aircraft will be sent back to the lease holders when the aircraft reaches the D Check stage .
To put that into perspective Out of the Original 100 Aircraft order from Airbus 76 Aircraft have been delivered........Only 63 are active in the fleet
IndiGo has indicated that they plan to raise increase the fleet count to 71 aircraft by the end of 2013
An IndiGo LOI holder due to join in the coming months told me that they have 900 Pilots ( Captains + FO )including the LOI holders waiting to join .
Assuming no attrition among the pilot ranks.......Thats more than enough Pilots for atleast 90 aircraft .
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First of all I end this discussion over here that was my advice for the guy who started this thread.
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yeah i am type rated
its not 2lacs every year. within 2 years its 2lacs quoted for renewal by Fstc ggn.
I got selected with indigo after doing my type rating I am not one of the ab-initio cae rated pilot. Indigo is paying for our rating renewal as well.
IndiGo's capacity expansion third highest among all airlines in 2012, says CAPA
they are adding as many as aircrafts they think they can use. I do agree they lease back but then also adding 13 aircrafts in a year is commendable. and in 2013 they are planning to add 10 aircrafts and that is addition not in all.
So is my close person who is sitting since July 2011 with rating
yeah i am type rated
How can a person be motivated by spending 25K-30K $ on rating which will sit on his CPL for a year then demand 4k$ renewal procedure is beyond my thinking considering current market saturation.It's same for 737 too.
You should understand all airlines that calling rated pilots for examinations is for urgent/immediate requirements.
I would relish if Indigo or all other operators add planes and increase pilot intakes at various experience levels.
they are adding as many as aircrafts they think they can use. I do agree they lease back but then also adding 13 aircrafts in a year is commendable. and in 2013 they are planning to add 10 aircrafts and that is addition not in all.
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Bhambri just one question , are you trying to get a type rated partner to have company along side by being grounded ?
Common man you are sitting since July 2011 ( or may be later )with rating and mind it that time zero hour rated pilots glut was lot less then whats now be it any type and still giving advice( motivating was your word ) for rating....So Indigo will renew your license but that's for Indigo grounded pilots not for every 320 pilot.
Those who have money to waste will always try to pull a donkey out of hat and get rating despite being warned, then cramp already small market of aviation in India.
Those who are wise will wait and ponder next avenue for light.
Good luck for your Indigo journey !
Common man you are sitting since July 2011 ( or may be later )with rating and mind it that time zero hour rated pilots glut was lot less then whats now be it any type and still giving advice( motivating was your word ) for rating....
So Indigo will renew your license but that's for Indigo grounded pilots not for every 320 pilot. Those who have money to waste will always try to pull a donkey out of hat and get rating despite being warned, then cramp already small market of aviation in India.
Those who are wise will wait and ponder next avenue for light.
Good luck for your Indigo journey !
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737 or A320
So between the airbus and the Boeing (320vs 737) which one is the better aircraft to fly ?
AND WHY ?
AND WHY ?
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I have 6000+ hours ATP CRJ and A320 Types 4500 jet I have applied all over Asia... I don't have any time in the A320 and about 4000 in the CRJ.
Having the A320 type with no time in the aircaft is worthless right now. Having this TR has resulted me a net of zero calls back... Now I'm an expat and I know it's much easier for locals, but I wouldn't waste the money right now I wish I hadn't.
I would list the companies I've applied to but the list is so long it would be embarrassing.
Having the A320 type with no time in the aircaft is worthless right now. Having this TR has resulted me a net of zero calls back... Now I'm an expat and I know it's much easier for locals, but I wouldn't waste the money right now I wish I hadn't.
I would list the companies I've applied to but the list is so long it would be embarrassing.
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Those looking to get a type rating and those that have type rating need to read this CAR very carefully.....
http://dgca.nic.in/cars/D8F-F1.pdf
http://dgca.nic.in/cars/D8F-F1.pdf
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e. More than 36 Months
i. Full Type Rating
ii. 01 Initial Release Route Check by Examiner
iii. 08 Sectors SLF with Check Pilot / Instructor / Examiner
iv. Final Release Route Check by Examiner.
i. Full Type Rating
ii. 01 Initial Release Route Check by Examiner
iii. 08 Sectors SLF with Check Pilot / Instructor / Examiner
iv. Final Release Route Check by Examiner.
is it revision of previous CAR or new rules drafted to stop unemployment for rated pilots ?3 Years without job on type and redo again full TR.
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Just in --
SpiceJet Weighs Switch to Airbus From Boeing on Technology - Bloomberg
This should change preferences.
SpiceJet Weighs Switch to Airbus From Boeing on Technology - Bloomberg
This should change preferences.
