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Medical Check.....
Hey Guys. New to PPrune. Agency have informed me that my application for screening with CSA has been approved, so am currently waiting for my screening date, hopefully in Feb. Am thinking the medical could be a 'pain in the neck', as I have a slight neck issue. Anybody know if they do Neck X-rays &/or neck MRI's? Would really appreciate any info. Many thanks in advance.....
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I'm no doctor, but when I did my assesment they laid me down and checked my throat area thru an ecography. They also did an MRI on us where the whole body was inside the "tube".
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Many thanks for the info '737lpa' - much appreciated. Sorry if i've just repeated the request for info on another (later) post, as I couldn't see the previous one had been accepted/posted - am not a spring chicken when it comes to social media!
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Hi,
Im no doctor either so I will just tell you what i was told. I think it will depend what 'problem' you have with your neck. Your neck is indeed scanned by ultrasound during the medical but when i asked what its for, they said its to check the Carotid Artery. This makes sense as they only ultrasound the right side of your neck and that is where this Artery runs......at least thats what Wikepedia told me when i looked it up
Regarding the MRI.....again this is just what i was told but apparently that is to check your brain for potential tumours etc so not sure if it has anything to do with the neck. Again that was just what i was told when i asked.
Obviously we dont know what your problem is but i would say go for it anyway. The medical is very 'particular' compared to what we are used to here in Europe but you may find they dont even pick up on your 'issue' and you sail through.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
All the best
Im no doctor either so I will just tell you what i was told. I think it will depend what 'problem' you have with your neck. Your neck is indeed scanned by ultrasound during the medical but when i asked what its for, they said its to check the Carotid Artery. This makes sense as they only ultrasound the right side of your neck and that is where this Artery runs......at least thats what Wikepedia told me when i looked it up
Regarding the MRI.....again this is just what i was told but apparently that is to check your brain for potential tumours etc so not sure if it has anything to do with the neck. Again that was just what i was told when i asked.
Obviously we dont know what your problem is but i would say go for it anyway. The medical is very 'particular' compared to what we are used to here in Europe but you may find they dont even pick up on your 'issue' and you sail through.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
All the best
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Hi mach85. This is the 3rd (and final) time i'll try replying, as my account is playing up and crashes each time I try to submit - I can fly an aircraft - honest!
Anyway, many thanks for your info. My concern (from reading it somewhere) was that they fail people for, amongst other things, 'cervical spondylosis (phase II & above)'. I have a very slight issue, which gives a very occasional mild dull ache. I have full movement, and have just had xrays which confirm there's been no change in the last 7 years. I was worried what 'phase II & above' was, but it looks like my condition would be considered less than this level, and in any case from what you've indicated it doesn't look like they automatically do xrays/MRI's of this area, perhaps only doing this if they have cause for concern from a physical examination or similar?
I'll be there - fingers crossed hey!
Happy New Year to you all!
Anyway, many thanks for your info. My concern (from reading it somewhere) was that they fail people for, amongst other things, 'cervical spondylosis (phase II & above)'. I have a very slight issue, which gives a very occasional mild dull ache. I have full movement, and have just had xrays which confirm there's been no change in the last 7 years. I was worried what 'phase II & above' was, but it looks like my condition would be considered less than this level, and in any case from what you've indicated it doesn't look like they automatically do xrays/MRI's of this area, perhaps only doing this if they have cause for concern from a physical examination or similar?
I'll be there - fingers crossed hey!
Happy New Year to you all!
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China Medical
Super Reds,
Did My China 1st Class 2 years ago, very thorough, however no MRI Cervical or otherwise. Abdominal ultrasound, and echogram of the cervical region which would show no osteo spinal abnormalities other than potential impingement of cervical vasculature, (arteries).
They will perform EEG, and try to induce, (lightly, no stroboscopic lights), seizure activity.
Also, general exam, previous surgeries, bring reports of recent procedures.
Give it a go, do not reveal any headache symptoms, if they see anything interesting in the cervical region, Let Them Tell You.
Also, no Lasik, Ortho Keratolgic etc., invasive to the eye.
Other than these thorny issues, not too bad, far easier than Japan with the BMI concerns.
Safe Journies...Sushi
Did My China 1st Class 2 years ago, very thorough, however no MRI Cervical or otherwise. Abdominal ultrasound, and echogram of the cervical region which would show no osteo spinal abnormalities other than potential impingement of cervical vasculature, (arteries).
They will perform EEG, and try to induce, (lightly, no stroboscopic lights), seizure activity.
Also, general exam, previous surgeries, bring reports of recent procedures.
Give it a go, do not reveal any headache symptoms, if they see anything interesting in the cervical region, Let Them Tell You.
Also, no Lasik, Ortho Keratolgic etc., invasive to the eye.
Other than these thorny issues, not too bad, far easier than Japan with the BMI concerns.
Safe Journies...Sushi
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Has anyone signed a contract with Parc for CSA Capt? Anyone set up a $22,000 training bond with Parc? The draft document Parc sent me for a Bond is incomplete and unworkable from a bank standpoint. 
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From what Ive seen - Parc, Lomngreach and Rishworth are all holding firm on this bond.
Whats worse is the wording of it - It basically says if you leave anytime within the four years ( either by choice of CSA or yourself) you have to pay.
Not Cool - if for some reason someone in training doesnt like you.
If anything at all should only be punitive should the candidate walk - not if the candidate gets thrown out the door.
WJP
Whats worse is the wording of it - It basically says if you leave anytime within the four years ( either by choice of CSA or yourself) you have to pay.
Not Cool - if for some reason someone in training doesnt like you.
If anything at all should only be punitive should the candidate walk - not if the candidate gets thrown out the door.
WJP
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I have reliably heard that the bond has been placed on the agents by the company and these agents are trying to pass it on to reduce their exposure.
Obviously, they expect pilots to leave early or there wouldn't be a bond.
Pay is pretty good, new airplanes, international routes. What could it be?.... hmmmm.
Don't accept it, look for an honest agent.
Alternatively, tell the agents to reduce their $1000 per month cut for doing sweet 'F' all.
4 years at a $1000 per month is.... $48,000 , and more than twice the bond even if the pilot stays!
If they can't get pilots, they don't get paid and they will soon get the message.
Once you sign, you are stuck and having the intention to stay for 4 years doesn't mean that you will be able to. I have seen it get pretty bad in places like, just changing the conditions or, cancelling bases.
Like it or, leave and pay your bond.
Of course , the agents continue to get their money if you are happy or not.
A few years ago now but , a friend was presented with a fax, the night before his sim checkride , the agency demanded that he sign an agreement to give them US$2500 should he be offered a job but, not accept it.
Sign or no sim tomorrow!
Nothing was said during all of the processing , visa ,medical , air law,etc.
Obviously, they expect pilots to leave early or there wouldn't be a bond.
Pay is pretty good, new airplanes, international routes. What could it be?.... hmmmm.
Don't accept it, look for an honest agent.
Alternatively, tell the agents to reduce their $1000 per month cut for doing sweet 'F' all.
4 years at a $1000 per month is.... $48,000 , and more than twice the bond even if the pilot stays!
If they can't get pilots, they don't get paid and they will soon get the message.
Once you sign, you are stuck and having the intention to stay for 4 years doesn't mean that you will be able to. I have seen it get pretty bad in places like, just changing the conditions or, cancelling bases.
Like it or, leave and pay your bond.
Of course , the agents continue to get their money if you are happy or not.
A few years ago now but , a friend was presented with a fax, the night before his sim checkride , the agency demanded that he sign an agreement to give them US$2500 should he be offered a job but, not accept it.
Sign or no sim tomorrow!
Nothing was said during all of the processing , visa ,medical , air law,etc.
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For clarification bond/bank guarantee is for TWO years:
Less than 6 months, $22,000 usd to be paid to CAE Parc
Less than 12 months but more than 6 months, $19,000 usd to be paid to CAE Parc
Less than 18 months but more than 12 months, $16,000 usd to be paid to CAE Parc
Less than 24 months but more than 18 months, $13,000 usd to be paid to CAE Parc
Obviously not cool but agencies stated are requiring it. AviatorAsia is presently not requiring the bond up front, only if you fail to complete training???
Allegedly CSA has just stopped the application process for this contract due to massive interest. They apparently have been filling training slots so the bond hasn't entirely dissuaded everyone. It is always difficult to get the collective group on the same page.
Less than 6 months, $22,000 usd to be paid to CAE Parc
Less than 12 months but more than 6 months, $19,000 usd to be paid to CAE Parc
Less than 18 months but more than 12 months, $16,000 usd to be paid to CAE Parc
Less than 24 months but more than 18 months, $13,000 usd to be paid to CAE Parc
Obviously not cool but agencies stated are requiring it. AviatorAsia is presently not requiring the bond up front, only if you fail to complete training???
Allegedly CSA has just stopped the application process for this contract due to massive interest. They apparently have been filling training slots so the bond hasn't entirely dissuaded everyone. It is always difficult to get the collective group on the same page.