CSA China Southern!
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Hi there,
I am going to Guanghzou for selection process and looking for info about that company. Anybody here who has some piece of knowledge???
They are part of Sky Team so ther should be some company culture but who knows....
Many thanks
I am going to Guanghzou for selection process and looking for info about that company. Anybody here who has some piece of knowledge???
They are part of Sky Team so ther should be some company culture but who knows....
Many thanks
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China Southern is one of the better Chinese airlines but it is still a Chinese airline.
Read some of my posts to get an idea of what it is like to fly for a Chinese airline.
Read some of my posts to get an idea of what it is like to fly for a Chinese airline.
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The only information I can give is - don't trust the Chinese. They don't honour their contracts, they cancel your days off and they are not safe to fly with.
Find another job !
Find another job !
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If you want first hand info PM me or skype matt wuillemin
Some trials and tribulations but overall working okay ...
If you can get 18000 per month tax paid , for 80 hours work on a heavy crew everywhere such that you spend half your time in a bunk , let me know where it is !
And safety wise... Just got a 250 uSD bonus for all employees for ten million accident free hours.., not sure what and accident defined as but sounded good to me
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Some trials and tribulations but overall working okay ...
If you can get 18000 per month tax paid , for 80 hours work on a heavy crew everywhere such that you spend half your time in a bunk , let me know where it is !
And safety wise... Just got a 250 uSD bonus for all employees for ten million accident free hours.., not sure what and accident defined as but sounded good to me
WJA
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Woodja,
Can you produce a document from the Chinese Tax Authority showing that you have paid in the vicinity of $12000 per month? Not a letter from the company saying they have paid said amount.
Can you produce a document from the Chinese Tax Authority showing that you have paid in the vicinity of $12000 per month? Not a letter from the company saying they have paid said amount.
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Without documentation that proves you are paying taxes somewhere, as far as Uncle Sam is concern, he would want his full share
if they don't provide you with proper documents, it is not a net salary.
if they don't provide you with proper documents, it is not a net salary.
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Seen the reports on the tax thingy from the guys who have been here longer than me and contract states as much ... Not tested it but working on the article 15 para 3 of the tax law ...looked at by a few QCs which said should stand scrutiny i am lead to believe.. But who knows ... Until actually served the ungreased baseball at by the ATO one never knows...
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Originally Posted by Wilbur60
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Does anyone know how many expat pilots work at China Southern airline at the moment?
Thanks
Does anyone know how many expat pilots work at China Southern airline at the moment?
Thanks
China Southern so cheap they wont deice - Airline Pilot Central Forums
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Send this report the chinese CAAC in ZGGG,they will crucify the crew!,chinese or not.
It is certainly not the airline being cheap,they are anal about safety,it is the crew irresponsability.
It is certainly not the airline being cheap,they are anal about safety,it is the crew irresponsability.
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Possible reasons not to de-ice in China.
1. Crew has newspapers covering the cockpit windows most of the time. They don't know it is snowing outside.
2. Crew is watching movies on their IPADs. They don't know it is snowing outside.
3. Crew is smoking so much they cannot see outside the windows, assuming they don't have newspapers covering the cockpit windows.
4. All of the above.
1. Crew has newspapers covering the cockpit windows most of the time. They don't know it is snowing outside.
2. Crew is watching movies on their IPADs. They don't know it is snowing outside.
3. Crew is smoking so much they cannot see outside the windows, assuming they don't have newspapers covering the cockpit windows.
4. All of the above.
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De ice
Last week ex CDG was around zero deg for the early mornng departure... Lots of deicing going on around the ramp but clear skies etc.. Our wing had some clear ice and frost etc which concerned me during walkaround. We transferred the outers before refuel ( which seems a bit new to the chinese crew- see fcom cold fuel ) as they always land with outers full as fuel is never an issue.
I mentioned to the chinese captain about deicing and he seemed keen to take my advice without a problem.. As it was we both asked the air france engineer his thoughts and he said it was fine to go as it was pretty mch gone by departure.
Point ... Csa guys seem okay taking advice to do safe thing with out issue. Having said that the newspapers on windows then using weather radar to avoid buildups rather than MK1 eyeball during a day flight seems odd to me....?
Otherwise, the 330 operation seems pretty reasonable to me ( ozzi expat captain 12 years with Emirates , so got a reasonable benchmark to work with )
Honestly I like the way Csa dont get wrapped around axles over use of correct coloured bic for paperwork etc myself...
And they seem keen to take foreign pilots suggestions on board , especially the first officers...for intelligent use of systems / decisions etc.
Overall i feel pretty safe
I mentioned to the chinese captain about deicing and he seemed keen to take my advice without a problem.. As it was we both asked the air france engineer his thoughts and he said it was fine to go as it was pretty mch gone by departure.
Point ... Csa guys seem okay taking advice to do safe thing with out issue. Having said that the newspapers on windows then using weather radar to avoid buildups rather than MK1 eyeball during a day flight seems odd to me....?
Otherwise, the 330 operation seems pretty reasonable to me ( ozzi expat captain 12 years with Emirates , so got a reasonable benchmark to work with )
Honestly I like the way Csa dont get wrapped around axles over use of correct coloured bic for paperwork etc myself...
And they seem keen to take foreign pilots suggestions on board , especially the first officers...for intelligent use of systems / decisions etc.
Overall i feel pretty safe
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There are some things the Chinese do incredibly well. A few things, they could teach the rest of the world. For instance, if you work for a Chinese airline, the Chinese run their airports more efficiently than anything i have ever seen. They have fewer staff on the ground, and less ground support equipment, than I have seen anywhere. Or maybe it is just that it is next to a terminal that would do the world's largest international airport proud, but the airport has only 1 runway?
But............
In some ways they are way off in left field. All the airbus guys in China, not just my airline, use Auto on the radar exclusively. I have seen a bunch of airbuses divert from an airfield with nothing but light rain (all the Boeings landed),and more humorously, I have watched airbuses ask for radar vectors around terrain features, on VFR days. Wuhan, in particular, always shows up as a big red thunderstorm at about 120 miles if you are using auto on the radar. I watched as aircraft ahead of me asked ATC for radar vectors around Wuhan, and my FO asked me if I wanted to do the same. I flipped the radar to manual, and pulled his newspapers off his front window. We went straight through "it". Clear air.
I saw this many,many times.
But............
In some ways they are way off in left field. All the airbus guys in China, not just my airline, use Auto on the radar exclusively. I have seen a bunch of airbuses divert from an airfield with nothing but light rain (all the Boeings landed),and more humorously, I have watched airbuses ask for radar vectors around terrain features, on VFR days. Wuhan, in particular, always shows up as a big red thunderstorm at about 120 miles if you are using auto on the radar. I watched as aircraft ahead of me asked ATC for radar vectors around Wuhan, and my FO asked me if I wanted to do the same. I flipped the radar to manual, and pulled his newspapers off his front window. We went straight through "it". Clear air.
I saw this many,many times.
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Yes, "auto /+ 8 gain seems to be the order of the day...rather than MAN / CAL -2.5 tilt etc and yes have seen a few attempts to drive around islands etc!
Still, cant blame them for starting with it in the former position then refining for actual avoidance but that seems not to happen all the time...
WJA
Still, cant blame them for starting with it in the former position then refining for actual avoidance but that seems not to happen all the time...
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I watched as aircraft ahead of me asked ATC for radar vectors around Wuhan, and my FO asked me if I wanted to do the same. I flipped the radar to manual, and pulled his newspapers off his front window. We went straight through "it". Clear air.
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I have to disagree with you on this, but then again, I've only been here 8 years:
I find that in China there is at least twice if not three times the amount of personnel found in either the US or Europe..... perhaps a side effect of cheaper labor?
On all other points you are spot on.
Cheers
Colocolo
They have fewer staff on the ground, and less ground support equipment,
I find that in China there is at least twice if not three times the amount of personnel found in either the US or Europe..... perhaps a side effect of cheaper labor?
On all other points you are spot on.
Cheers
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I found it just the opposite. Like I said, maybe it is just because the airports are so big and spread out, even though most have only 1 or 2 runways. If they have 1 runway they usually have 1 very hard working supertug pushing back all the airplanes on the airport, driving like a Chinese taxi driver between aircraft. But he gets the job done incredibly quickly and efficiently. You know it is your turn to push when the chain smoking tug driver comes racing up the front of your aircraft. Brilliantly efficient IMHO.
The opposite end of the sprectrum for me is Heathrow. I haven't been there since O4, but I used to go there all the time. They could take the ground support equipment and personnel, spread them across 3 other London Heathrows, and still have extra stuff. There was so much equipment on the ground you parked the aircraft not between yellow lines, but between ground support equipment. ORD isn't much better.
The opposite end of the sprectrum for me is Heathrow. I haven't been there since O4, but I used to go there all the time. They could take the ground support equipment and personnel, spread them across 3 other London Heathrows, and still have extra stuff. There was so much equipment on the ground you parked the aircraft not between yellow lines, but between ground support equipment. ORD isn't much better.
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Would that be ZJSY?
You are correct, there are a few airports where this happens, but in general there are many tugs available and are all manned.
Commonly for a flight (1 aircraft) I have observed and counted ( to the best of my ability) at peak 23 to 25 persons "attacking" the aircraft. These people include mechanics (engineers), loaders, cleaners, gate agents, jet bridge driver, guards, servicing trucks, fueling personnel and assorted supervisors. The amazing part is that this is not only my aircraft being "attacked" but 6 or 8 other aircraft at the same moment.
Do not misunderstand me, I think it is great. But cannot recall (my memory fails sometimes
) in the last 25 years seeing this on a daily basis in either the US or Europe.
Off subject. The size and quantity of new airports in this place is just incredible. Now, the "size" and "quantity" of pollution is outright frightening
Cheers
Colocolo
If they have 1 runway they usually have 1 very hard working supertug pushing back all the airplanes on the airport, driving like a Chinese taxi driver between aircraft.
Would that be ZJSY?
You are correct, there are a few airports where this happens, but in general there are many tugs available and are all manned.
Commonly for a flight (1 aircraft) I have observed and counted ( to the best of my ability
) at peak 23 to 25 persons "attacking" the aircraft. These people include mechanics (engineers), loaders, cleaners, gate agents, jet bridge driver, guards, servicing trucks, fueling personnel and assorted supervisors. The amazing part is that this is not only my aircraft being "attacked" but 6 or 8 other aircraft at the same moment.Do not misunderstand me, I think it is great. But cannot recall (my memory fails sometimes
) in the last 25 years seeing this on a daily basis in either the US or Europe.Off subject. The size and quantity of new airports in this place is just incredible. Now, the "size" and "quantity" of pollution is outright frightening
Cheers
Colocolo