Silkair Defects to Boeing - 54 firm 737-800s & Max
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Silkair Defects to Boeing - 54 firm 737-800s & Max
According to the article I just read, these 54 firm plus 14 options would be for both growth and fleet renewal. Do a search for the article. Not sure when the first 800 is expected to arrive. The article did mention that 3 Airbus aircraft are still expected to arrive in 2013 but will eventually be replaced in the fleet renewal... Sounds like Silkair does not want to be rolled over by AirAsia or Lionair in the region without a fight...
How do the Silkair pilots feel about giving up their sidesticks? Guess you will need to learn to "fly" again with the Boeings...
. Joking 
Just curious, what is the status of hiring at Silkair?
How do the Silkair pilots feel about giving up their sidesticks? Guess you will need to learn to "fly" again with the Boeings...
. Joking Just curious, what is the status of hiring at Silkair?
Seems odd to make a switch to the 737 as a "quality" airline and order significant numbers while the LCC competition flies A320ies and is serving most of their routes as well...
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Bravo indeed! Looks like SIA was right when they said SilkAir is going to expand and contribute more to the net profit of the group.Let's hope all the new cadet pilot vacancies will go to local Singaporean Pilots ONLY this time and no more of these unwelcome foreigners from India and Malaysia will occupy our rightful spot on the Right-Hand Seat of these beautiful 737s.
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^^ Lets hope not.
A lot of talented Individuals from the countries that you mentioned, much rather see them than incapable locals for the good of aviation in general.
A lot of talented Individuals from the countries that you mentioned, much rather see them than incapable locals for the good of aviation in general.
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Dear SingaporeAirlines,
Do you have a job with Silk?
Do you know what a cockpit of a 737 looks like compared to a an Airbus?
Beautiful doesn't come to mind, unless you don't have a job, then your forgiven, as any cockpit is a great place to be.
Unless you already have one... Then the 737 looks like, well antiquated comes to mind.
Fortunately aviation is not based race, nationality or color. It is based on skill. It doesn't matter where you come from. If your an idiot or have issues picking your nose then aviation is probably not the best place. You see we take people who are GOOD and have ABILITY.
As professionals we are not racists like you. This is a job for skilled professionals. Some morons do indeed sneak through though. Maybe you'll get lucky? Or already have...
Do you have a job with Silk?
Do you know what a cockpit of a 737 looks like compared to a an Airbus?
Beautiful doesn't come to mind, unless you don't have a job, then your forgiven, as any cockpit is a great place to be.
Unless you already have one... Then the 737 looks like, well antiquated comes to mind.
Fortunately aviation is not based race, nationality or color. It is based on skill. It doesn't matter where you come from. If your an idiot or have issues picking your nose then aviation is probably not the best place. You see we take people who are GOOD and have ABILITY.
As professionals we are not racists like you. This is a job for skilled professionals. Some morons do indeed sneak through though. Maybe you'll get lucky? Or already have...
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Well based on your post I assume you are an expat working for Silkair. In which case you are probably a Captain and are European/ANZ/American, Indian or Malaysian.
Europe/Australia/New Zealand/USA/Canada are saturated as they are with local pilots and they themselves do not welcome foreigners.
Malaysia gives priority to their own people and thankfully for them most of their pilots are Malaysian.
India is flooded with jobless CPL holders so they don't need any expats and are already cutting down on the existing ones.
In which case let me ask you, why should we in Singapore where we already have excess pilots, cede our places to you? No sir...
It's a very rational argument in my opinion. I understand you have a legit job in MI and a family to feed but the truth is you can probably go back home and land a cushy job yourself whereas you staying here only prevents local Singaporeans from being Pilots. Singaporeans cannot go to India/Malaysia/Australia/USA/Canada/Europe to be Pilots right?
And if the 737 cockpit is antiquated to you why don't you resign and go back? No one is asking you to stay...
Europe/Australia/New Zealand/USA/Canada are saturated as they are with local pilots and they themselves do not welcome foreigners.
Malaysia gives priority to their own people and thankfully for them most of their pilots are Malaysian.
India is flooded with jobless CPL holders so they don't need any expats and are already cutting down on the existing ones.
In which case let me ask you, why should we in Singapore where we already have excess pilots, cede our places to you?
No sir...It's a very rational argument in my opinion. I understand you have a legit job in MI and a family to feed but the truth is you can probably go back home and land a cushy job yourself whereas you staying here only prevents local Singaporeans from being Pilots. Singaporeans cannot go to India/Malaysia/Australia/USA/Canada/Europe to be Pilots right?
And if the 737 cockpit is antiquated to you why don't you resign and go back? No one is asking you to stay...
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Compared to other emasculated unions in Singapore, ALPA-S is supposed to be fairly strong.
Ofcourse compared to other Pilot Unions we are nothing haha!
Engineered that way too probably eh?
Ofcourse compared to other Pilot Unions we are nothing haha!
Engineered that way too probably eh?
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I agreed with SingaporeAirlines...he may have used a term that is a bit harsh but he does have a point.
What he should have said/meant was that all the hiring should go to the qualified Singaporeans first and if they do not have sufficient numbers of Singaporean then by all means recruit from the open market.
For most of us is if you do not have the right of abode of that country then you can forget about getting a job there. Can anyone imagine any other nationals without the right of abode flies for Air France, KLM, LH, UA, AA, DL, QF? I don't think so..And if other countries would to allow that then singaporeairlines wouldn't even have any objections here.
Singaporeairlines does have a valid points but just a bit too harsh..don't we agree?
What he should have said/meant was that all the hiring should go to the qualified Singaporeans first and if they do not have sufficient numbers of Singaporean then by all means recruit from the open market.
For most of us is if you do not have the right of abode of that country then you can forget about getting a job there. Can anyone imagine any other nationals without the right of abode flies for Air France, KLM, LH, UA, AA, DL, QF? I don't think so..And if other countries would to allow that then singaporeairlines wouldn't even have any objections here.
Singaporeairlines does have a valid points but just a bit too harsh..don't we agree?
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Really don't see the big hoohaa over hiring of Malaysians. Most of them are just down to earth blokes who happen to be born with the wrong skin colour, hence their inability to get a job over in their own country.
That being said, expats living in glass houses really shouldn't be talking trash about locals demanding that hiring require right of abode IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Back on topic, I believe the first aircraft are due in 2014. Also doubtful that MI wants to compete in the low cost segment where Lion and AirAsia dominates.
That being said, expats living in glass houses really shouldn't be talking trash about locals demanding that hiring require right of abode IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Back on topic, I believe the first aircraft are due in 2014. Also doubtful that MI wants to compete in the low cost segment where Lion and AirAsia dominates.
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There are only expats in Singapore because there aren't enough QUALIFIED locals to fill the positions. A 200 hr CPL holder can't replace an experienced Captain.
Maybe there are good reasons why some people are unemployed.
Maybe there are good reasons why some people are unemployed.
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I believe that in reality...Singapore is a part of Malaysia except in technical terms. They seem the same to me.
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There are only expats in Singapore because there aren't enough QUALIFIED locals to fill the positions. A 200 hr CPL holder can't replace an experienced Captain.
On what SingaporeAirlines has said so far in his multiple postings on nationalistic pride of Singaporeans, I'm surprised it took so long for the local boys to stand up.
Foreginers, (regardless of color), if you want a job, be nice, don't bother preaching all these skills crap. Your VFR night flying out in the woods in the good old days is nothing to brat too much about. And your continuous hyping on performance based hiring is BS. So far, I don't see a/c falling out of Asian skies the way some of you claimed to be. Modern jetliners are not that hard to be flown and they are enough experienced Instructors/Captains of each respective legacy carriers in Asia that can attest to that. Stupid mistakes that happened in Asian airliners get repeated time and again in the West too. You really think we (locals) owe it to you (foreigners) to let our airlines manned by foreigners majority? WE, will let you know if there's any temporary openings, AFTER we fail to find another suitably qualified local boy/gal to fill the shoes.
To quote again the most echoed sentiment by SingaporeAirlines:
Europe/Australia/New Zealand/USA/Canada are saturated as they are with local pilots and they themselves do not welcome foreigners.
Malaysia gives priority to their own people and thankfully for them most of their pilots are Malaysian.
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+1 to SIA
Europe/Australia/New Zealand/USA/Canada are saturated as they are with local pilots and they themselves do not welcome foreigners.
Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't SIA have a 26yr age limit for locals? I came across it while going through the ALPS-S website.
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Originally Posted by JammedStab
I believe that in reality...Singapore is a part of Malaysia except in technical terms. They seem the same to me.
the policies, the standard of living, the streets, the people, the leaders
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I believe that in reality...Singapore is a part of Malaysia except in technical terms. They seem the same to me.
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Majulah Singapura!
That being said, expats living in glass houses really shouldn't be talking trash about locals demanding that hiring require right of abode IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Really don't see the big hoohaa over hiring of Malaysians. Most of them are just down to earth blokes who happen to be born with the wrong skin colour, hence their inability to get a job over in their own country.
There are only expats in Singapore because there aren't enough QUALIFIED locals to fill the positions. A 200 hr CPL holder can't replace an experienced Captain.
Maybe there are good reasons why some people are unemployed.
Maybe there are good reasons why some people are unemployed.
Don't be too sure about that, spoken to anyone with their contracts renewal nearing? As a so call "experienced" left seat driver, you have probably 2 choices in SIN, lose your expat terms with SIA or go LCC.
On what SingaporeAirlines has said so far in his multiple postings on nationalistic pride of Singaporeans, I'm surprised it took so long for the local boys to stand up.
Foreginers, (regardless of color), if you want a job, be nice, don't bother preaching all these skills crap. Your VFR night flying out in the woods in the good old days is nothing to brat too much about. And your continuous hyping on performance based hiring is BS. So far, I don't see a/c falling out of Asian skies the way some of you claimed to be. Modern jetliners are not that hard to be flown and they are enough experienced Instructors/Captains of each respective legacy carriers in Asia that can attest to that. Stupid mistakes that happened in Asian airliners get repeated time and again in the West too. You really think we (locals) owe it to you (foreigners) to let our airlines manned by foreigners majority? WE, will let you know if there's any temporary openings, AFTER we fail to find another suitably qualified local boy/gal to fill the shoes.
On what SingaporeAirlines has said so far in his multiple postings on nationalistic pride of Singaporeans, I'm surprised it took so long for the local boys to stand up.
Foreginers, (regardless of color), if you want a job, be nice, don't bother preaching all these skills crap. Your VFR night flying out in the woods in the good old days is nothing to brat too much about. And your continuous hyping on performance based hiring is BS. So far, I don't see a/c falling out of Asian skies the way some of you claimed to be. Modern jetliners are not that hard to be flown and they are enough experienced Instructors/Captains of each respective legacy carriers in Asia that can attest to that. Stupid mistakes that happened in Asian airliners get repeated time and again in the West too. You really think we (locals) owe it to you (foreigners) to let our airlines manned by foreigners majority? WE, will let you know if there's any temporary openings, AFTER we fail to find another suitably qualified local boy/gal to fill the shoes.
Great that we finally have some champions of our cause on board!
Add India to the above list. There is a valid point in what he/she says. Ab-Initio hiring should be for locals only. And "ONLY" when there is a shortage, it should be outsourced to another country. Not just for the mere fact that Indian's come cheaper by the dozen. It's time you locals did something about it. ALPA-S doesn't give a rat's a** by the looks of it.
Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't SIA have a 26yr age limit for locals? I came across it while going through the ALPS-S website.
Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't SIA have a 26yr age limit for locals? I came across it while going through the ALPS-S website.
Seriously speaking, at this point in time, the Africans have gotten aviation and worked it better for themselves than the Indians.
Despicable that they still have the nerve to come to the Singaporeans' thread and preach to us. Have some national pride my friends, National Day is tomorrow!!!
I believe that in reality...Singapore is a part of Malaysia except in technical terms. They seem the same to me.
Anyway cheers to all you guys. Let's hope and keep the sentiments rising and maybe in due time we will have our voices heard
