Air India stops negotiation adopts new strategy
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I am guessing for starters the 90 expats that are coming of Jet would be a good place to start with say a 2 or 3 year contract. Second would be KF as a hunting ground. With their international routes gone should be a few on the benches.
I do hope AI HR this time pens in some strict clauses in new local hires.
For all those on strike i do hope they realize that they are toast post this and no one will touch them. Enough coffee shops openings lately so maybe they can look at that. Nil chance of chest thumping to be taken back
I do hope AI HR this time pens in some strict clauses in new local hires.
For all those on strike i do hope they realize that they are toast post this and no one will touch them. Enough coffee shops openings lately so maybe they can look at that. Nil chance of chest thumping to be taken back
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The ad is out ..
http://airindia.in/SBCMS/Downloads/A...ecruitment.pdf
CAPTAINS B737/747/777
Total Time : 5000 Hours.
Jet Time : 2000 Hours.
PIC on Type: 500 Hours.
First Officers B737/747/777
Total Time : 2500 Hours of Airline Jet Experience.
On Type : 500 Hours.
If I had that kind of experience I would be applying to EK/EY/QR and settle down for the next decade with a good job.
INDIAN ATPL is Compulsory for all positions.
Seriously Air India Management lacks Ground Reality of whats happening.
http://airindia.in/SBCMS/Downloads/A...ecruitment.pdf
CAPTAINS B737/747/777
Total Time : 5000 Hours.
Jet Time : 2000 Hours.
PIC on Type: 500 Hours.
First Officers B737/747/777
Total Time : 2500 Hours of Airline Jet Experience.
On Type : 500 Hours.
If I had that kind of experience I would be applying to EK/EY/QR and settle down for the next decade with a good job.
INDIAN ATPL is Compulsory for all positions.
Seriously Air India Management lacks Ground Reality of whats happening.
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They require a DGCA issued CPL/ ATPL- Indian citizens.
I think only AI operates 747s in India.
So who are they trying to poach from?
And who will leave the Jet 777s for AI?
This makes no sense.
I think they will have to amend the requirements at some point of time.
I think only AI operates 747s in India.
So who are they trying to poach from?
And who will leave the Jet 777s for AI?
This makes no sense.
I think they will have to amend the requirements at some point of time.
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I think they are making this advertisement for sacked pilots. I remember Ajit Singh telling on news channel. This Pilots on AI can reapply if they wish. If this happens so they will loose seniority and will be working under their own juniors. That's government rule
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The requirement states that the candidate needs a DGCA ATPL, CPL.. so how is it for expats?
It's just meant for all the ones who were on strike..
It's just meant for all the ones who were on strike..
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Air India pilots are the laughing stock of the airline pilot community. What a joke. 
They should leave aviation and join Bollywood. 
I can see why AI vacancies would be appealing. I guess if you are a Spicejet 737 driver with no prospects of significant international flying, an FO slot on an AI 777 would probably be appealing - at least for the type rating and experience. And then move abroad...
They should leave aviation and join Bollywood. I can see why AI vacancies would be appealing. I guess if you are a Spicejet 737 driver with no prospects of significant international flying, an FO slot on an AI 777 would probably be appealing - at least for the type rating and experience. And then move abroad...
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What do you know about SpiceJet 'drivers'? While impossible to verify, I can guarantee that not a SINGLE SpiceJet 'driver' will be applying to AI.
Although an RTI will probably back up my lofty claims. And I'm talking about the applications, as for you being a Mr. knowitall, we'll leave it for the rest to decide.
What do you know about SpiceJet 'drivers'? While impossible to verify, I can guarantee that not a SINGLE SpiceJet 'driver' will be applying to AI.
Although an RTI will probably back up my lofty claims. And I'm talking about the applications, as for you being a Mr. knowitall, we'll leave it for the rest to decide.
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I Know, I know they run separate adverts for expats.
However, the buzz is that they were to recruit 100 Indian copilots with five year contracts. About a 100 expat commanders with a one year contract.
And we all know expats isn't a permanent solution. What with the DGCA policy to phase them out in two years..
I know it's not possible, but I really doubt if they will recruit any Expat copilots.. Seems unlikely.
Maybe a spicejet 737 driver could apply for one of these.. But they would just keep him on the 737 again. Why would AI spend on a 777 TR for a guy who can readily fly another with zero training cost.
Problem seems to be about the 777 747 copilots.
They are asking for time on type not willing to upgrade people.
The way I see it, only the strikers have enough experience for these posts.
Maybe it was all a gambit to bring lower their T&C and keep them going afterall..
I would infact be happy if 737 pilots from elsewhere switch..
As long as they leave some vacancies for me...
However, the buzz is that they were to recruit 100 Indian copilots with five year contracts. About a 100 expat commanders with a one year contract.
And we all know expats isn't a permanent solution. What with the DGCA policy to phase them out in two years..
I know it's not possible, but I really doubt if they will recruit any Expat copilots.. Seems unlikely.
Maybe a spicejet 737 driver could apply for one of these.. But they would just keep him on the 737 again. Why would AI spend on a 777 TR for a guy who can readily fly another with zero training cost.
Problem seems to be about the 777 747 copilots.
They are asking for time on type not willing to upgrade people.
The way I see it, only the strikers have enough experience for these posts.
Maybe it was all a gambit to bring lower their T&C and keep them going afterall..
I would infact be happy if 737 pilots from elsewhere switch..
As long as they leave some vacancies for me...
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back door discussions will ensure no new pilots come in and the strikers are reinstated ..life will go on as normal in AI... this is all horse n pony show for the Indian public.
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I'm not exactly fond of A.I. or it's pilots but how can any of you judge them for going on strike? Are you that ignorant? They haven't been paid for 6 months! Yes, 6 months!!! My only question is why did they wait so long to strike?
India and Indians accept late pay, I get that. But 6 months late? GMAB! And some salary components are over 2 years late?
How are they whining when they have been treated so poorly by mgmt over the past 1-2 years? Is that whining or merely sending their employer a bill for services rendered? Please show us all your reaction after you haven't been paid what was promised to you after you already put the work in.
I'm presently writing letters to my government representatives asking that they suspend A.I.'s operating rights into my country as long as they refuse to make payroll. Any airline that gets to operate into the developed world without paying salary is simply not playing on a level field and needs to grow up before it can play in the big leagues.
I support the A.I. pilots in their quest to get what is rightfully theirs, already earned wages. Their directors and management should be jailed for theft.
India as a country should be ashamed of itself for allowing such complete and utter disgerard for safety, organization and basic human rights. Yeah, their becoming a major econcomic power... not in this decade, not with this kind of approach. Shame on that government... and on the people for tolerating such behavior by continuing to support the ailing carrier.
Anyone that accepts a job with A.I. while the pilots are on strike is a SCAB! You will be marked and you name will be broadcast. Good luck with that career decision.
India and Indians accept late pay, I get that. But 6 months late? GMAB! And some salary components are over 2 years late?
How are they whining when they have been treated so poorly by mgmt over the past 1-2 years? Is that whining or merely sending their employer a bill for services rendered? Please show us all your reaction after you haven't been paid what was promised to you after you already put the work in.
I'm presently writing letters to my government representatives asking that they suspend A.I.'s operating rights into my country as long as they refuse to make payroll. Any airline that gets to operate into the developed world without paying salary is simply not playing on a level field and needs to grow up before it can play in the big leagues.
I support the A.I. pilots in their quest to get what is rightfully theirs, already earned wages. Their directors and management should be jailed for theft.
India as a country should be ashamed of itself for allowing such complete and utter disgerard for safety, organization and basic human rights. Yeah, their becoming a major econcomic power... not in this decade, not with this kind of approach. Shame on that government... and on the people for tolerating such behavior by continuing to support the ailing carrier.
Anyone that accepts a job with A.I. while the pilots are on strike is a SCAB! You will be marked and you name will be broadcast. Good luck with that career decision.
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GEEbz:
Note they are not striking because they have not been paid. They are striking because they want the exclusive right to fly the dreamliner over their now merged compatriots who continue to fly with delayed salaries.
I however agree with you they should have struck earlier when they were not paid for a couple of months.
The current reason is both unacceptable and further re enforces the traveling publics belief in how petty and narrow minded an India public service employee is. They are like crabs in a bucket not wanting to let anyone get ahead.
As a note Air India is about 50% over staffed per aircraft and the airline is unable to lay people off or even give a golden handshake.
The entire decline of this airline is based on human error. Error on the part of the management which is govt nominated and error in part of the employees who do not even blink once to abuse the system.
Note they are not striking because they have not been paid. They are striking because they want the exclusive right to fly the dreamliner over their now merged compatriots who continue to fly with delayed salaries.
I however agree with you they should have struck earlier when they were not paid for a couple of months.
The current reason is both unacceptable and further re enforces the traveling publics belief in how petty and narrow minded an India public service employee is. They are like crabs in a bucket not wanting to let anyone get ahead.
As a note Air India is about 50% over staffed per aircraft and the airline is unable to lay people off or even give a golden handshake.
The entire decline of this airline is based on human error. Error on the part of the management which is govt nominated and error in part of the employees who do not even blink once to abuse the system.
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@ GEEbz,
You have posted in all the AI related threads asking people not to apply for these jobs.
Why am I getting a feeling that you are an angry 'ex' AI employee?
AI people deserve what has been dished out to them.
They are striking for all the wrong reasons. I can understand someone going to that length for not being paid for over 6 months. However, not for assured career progression. You have to earn that, cant demand for it.
Have you even read the demands by these guys? (I actually think you are one of those striking AI pilots who are about to lose it big time. If not, forgive me and let me try and put things into perspective for you)
Exclusive rights to the 787s- maintaining top dog status.
Assured command after 6 years- You surely have to understand the absurdity of this as an aviator.
Many more other useless, baseless things.
The government had just handed out a HUGE bailout package to these guys, people had shown a lot of faith in them. the 787s were supposed to turn this airline around. Things were supposed to be great at AI by now. - And then they ruined it.
Tips for career progression-
Work hard and try and make a winner out of your airline. Benefits will follow
Dont screw your airline into bankruptcy for your personal petty gains.
-Is that really that hard to understand?
FYI, all the non striking pilots have been paid by now.
You have posted in all the AI related threads asking people not to apply for these jobs.
Why am I getting a feeling that you are an angry 'ex' AI employee?
AI people deserve what has been dished out to them.
They are striking for all the wrong reasons. I can understand someone going to that length for not being paid for over 6 months. However, not for assured career progression. You have to earn that, cant demand for it.
Have you even read the demands by these guys? (I actually think you are one of those striking AI pilots who are about to lose it big time. If not, forgive me and let me try and put things into perspective for you)
Exclusive rights to the 787s- maintaining top dog status.
Assured command after 6 years- You surely have to understand the absurdity of this as an aviator.
Many more other useless, baseless things.
The government had just handed out a HUGE bailout package to these guys, people had shown a lot of faith in them. the 787s were supposed to turn this airline around. Things were supposed to be great at AI by now. - And then they ruined it.
Tips for career progression-
Work hard and try and make a winner out of your airline. Benefits will follow
Dont screw your airline into bankruptcy for your personal petty gains.
-Is that really that hard to understand?
FYI, all the non striking pilots have been paid by now.
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AI express looking for expats
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Flying with Air India
AI to recruit 100 pilots, what kind?
Why???
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Any scab that crosses their picket line ought to be thrown out of aviation for good. I don't care how much they pay.
Grow a pair, people. Ignore A.I. and any other airline that drives it's employees into the dirt like that.
Grow a pair, people. Ignore A.I. and any other airline that drives it's employees into the dirt like that.
The pilots at A.I. are on strike. Why would anyone in their right mind want to cross a picket line for a job and forever be labeled a scab?
WTF is wrong with you guys?
WTF is wrong with you guys?
So who are the scabs going to be that sign up to join this pathetic airline?
If they can't pay their own pilot's salaries for the past 6 months, what makes any of you think they will pay a contract pilot, who has no rights in country, and who's crew leasing agency has zero leverage with A.I.?
I hope someone is keeping track of the names who join up so we can add them to the global scab list.
If they can't pay their own pilot's salaries for the past 6 months, what makes any of you think they will pay a contract pilot, who has no rights in country, and who's crew leasing agency has zero leverage with A.I.?
I hope someone is keeping track of the names who join up so we can add them to the global scab list.
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Anyone that accepts a job with A.I. while the pilots are on strike is a SCAB! You will be marked and you name will be broadcast. Good luck with that career decision.
in case, it were really possible to have the names out and broadcast-ed, we should have the P2F pilots meted down with some bricks and bats for degrading terms and conditions of pilots all over the world, don't you think?
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