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i have done my CPL training from Canada and living in India. currently i am preparing for my DGCA conversion exams and left with NAVCOMP paper only.i have tried almost every airline in India and even in other Asian and African countries but got no single rep from them. i have 250hrs of flying time and after clearing my DGCA exams i will b going to do my multi-IR. any1 have info on any other small airline or charter service who give placements to low timers like me offering job in asia. tried them with no luck so far, did this happened to all of u after completing ur CPL? or how bad it can b to build enough hrs to b considered for a job? coz after spending 2.5mil and not getting a job 
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thers thousands of guys out there like me who wanted a job, dont have the no's but the no. is to high
me off.thers thousands of guys out there like me who wanted a job, dont have the no's but the no. is to high
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No one's going to give a flying job to someone with only 250 hours of experience. You're going to need around 1,500 to 2,000 hours to secure a flying job at an airline or charter company. I'd advise you to complete all your license conversion exams and get the required ratings to become a flight instructor wherever. If you can't get an instructing job, take up bush flying do something that gets you flying hours. Get 1,000 to 1,500 hours of experience (the more the better) and clear your ATPL papers. Then go for an MCC, JOC, &TR course, and pay to fly 500 hours as a FO on the desired type (usually a 737NG or A320).
Be prepared to take up a second part-time job and write several license conversion exams. Regardless of how much 'dough' you've got, you're going to have to burn the midnight oil anyways. With 2,000 hours than includes an ATPL, TR and 500 hours on type, you could get hired by some airline operating 737NGs or A320s. Be prepared to go anywhere, anytime. There aren't any shortcuts. Only those who slog early on enjoy their flight deck job and later on happily retire from the flight deck.
Be prepared to take up a second part-time job and write several license conversion exams. Regardless of how much 'dough' you've got, you're going to have to burn the midnight oil anyways. With 2,000 hours than includes an ATPL, TR and 500 hours on type, you could get hired by some airline operating 737NGs or A320s. Be prepared to go anywhere, anytime. There aren't any shortcuts. Only those who slog early on enjoy their flight deck job and later on happily retire from the flight deck.
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Absolutely wrong.
Jay Joshi, please visit
Cathay Pacific - Careers : Careers Home
Submit your application online. You may not get a response now. It takes a lot of time and luck. Call them if they don't get back to you. Last month, Cathay Pacific conducted interviews and written tests for 77 pilots (including myself) in Mumbai. Some of us have cleared the first stage. This is a long process and there are 3 more stages to go. I'm not sure if I'll get the job, but it isn't the end of the world for CPL holders with 250 hours. Good luck with your hunt.
No one's going to give a flying job to someone with only 250 hours of experience.
Jay Joshi, please visit
Cathay Pacific - Careers : Careers Home
Submit your application online. You may not get a response now. It takes a lot of time and luck. Call them if they don't get back to you. Last month, Cathay Pacific conducted interviews and written tests for 77 pilots (including myself) in Mumbai. Some of us have cleared the first stage. This is a long process and there are 3 more stages to go. I'm not sure if I'll get the job, but it isn't the end of the world for CPL holders with 250 hours. Good luck with your hunt.
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First, you must complete your papers with the DGCA.
Unfortunately Jay_Joshi, to quote Shakespeare,if he were alive today, “250 hours a pilot does not make.” There are missionary groups in Africa, Asia,and South America that take pilots with low time to fly goods to distant villages. It is rewarding twofold, you build time, and giving to the world.
Jay_Joshi, do not follow the advice of Rohan ThePilot by subscribing to the likes of an EagleAviation type school with paying to fly as a first officer. Operators such as Eagle Aviation prey upon zero time pilots with rewards of employment, which at the end of the day, do not pan out. One would probably have a better chance of finding a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow than securing a job after accumulating hours in the right seat for payment.
Employers are more likely to hire an individual who accumulated 500 hours of jet time by theold fashioned way versus paying for the time. Chief pilots don't want prospective pilots who short cut the system through an Eagle Aviation program.
What it boils down to is determination, confidence in one’s self, and respect, not only for yourself, but colleagues who earn their way into large raircraft the honest way.
Stay the course, and stay focused.
Good luck and good flying.
Unfortunately Jay_Joshi, to quote Shakespeare,if he were alive today, “250 hours a pilot does not make.” There are missionary groups in Africa, Asia,and South America that take pilots with low time to fly goods to distant villages. It is rewarding twofold, you build time, and giving to the world.
Jay_Joshi, do not follow the advice of Rohan ThePilot by subscribing to the likes of an EagleAviation type school with paying to fly as a first officer. Operators such as Eagle Aviation prey upon zero time pilots with rewards of employment, which at the end of the day, do not pan out. One would probably have a better chance of finding a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow than securing a job after accumulating hours in the right seat for payment.
Employers are more likely to hire an individual who accumulated 500 hours of jet time by theold fashioned way versus paying for the time. Chief pilots don't want prospective pilots who short cut the system through an Eagle Aviation program.
What it boils down to is determination, confidence in one’s self, and respect, not only for yourself, but colleagues who earn their way into large raircraft the honest way.
Stay the course, and stay focused.
Good luck and good flying.
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Employers are more likely to hire an individual who accumulated 500 hours of jet time by theold fashioned way versus paying for the time. Chief pilots don't want prospective pilots who short cut the system through an Eagle Aviation program.
JNS, as sad it may seem to you, the truth is that the unofficial 'between-the-lines' recruitment criteria established by airlines no longer focuses on this idealistic term 'quality'. They're only interested in individuals who can get the job done as they would like it. Airlines are surely not going to give a damn in today's world if you try and give them a message like: "I'm a good quality pilot." They're looking for something like: "I have all the ratings and fulfill all requirements you need to hire me as a first officer."
Would an airline hire a pilot who has yet to be type rated and must be trained by them or would they rather hire an 'out-of-the-factory' pilot who can start ops with them in minimal time?
The world is a cruel place. I wish I could be a commercial pilot back in the post WWII era. I personally feel that the golden age of commercial aviation lasted only till the late 80s. Now even aviation is just like the other industries: utilitarian.
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Chief pilots of quality still adhere to a code of standards and ethics. Given the old story of two pilots for one available position. One paid to play, and the other worked his way up in the world. I know who I along with most chief pilots would select. With the exception of nepotism as it does exist in some parts of the world, most chief pilots will do the same.
Clearly there are more qualified pilots in the world than seats to fill the shiny jets. India is a prime example with Kingfisher laying off 50% of his work force. And that's on top of those who have resigned.
Yes, Rohan, in the US, the glamor days of aviation startedtheir decline in the late 80s. I saw the writing on the wall. I chose to become an expat in the early 90s taking me to all exotic places in the world. The glamor, to some extent still exists, although not many, among few airlines today outside the western world.
Now on to the topic of the "Old Fashioned Method" Rohan. How can one accumulate quality time you ask? Flight Instruction. Indonesia, China and Philippines are looking for flight instructors. I have enven brought it to the attention of fellow posters on PPRUNE too.
Another way to accumulate flight time is to do missionary flying. Those are two suggestions how one can build time.
There are other ways of accumulating time which are far more rewarding than falling for schemes endorsed by charlatans by the likes of Eagle Aviation who take an innocent kid’s or family’s money to build flying time and then don't deliver the goods. It is that very practice that undermines the fabric of our profession. I don't know where you are in your career Rohan, but it's our job to pass the baton on to the new generation by instilling proper habits and ethics that go along with the uniform.
I realize, Rohan, that getting a job flying charter, in foreign lands, with extreme low time is out of the question… but accumulating time can be done, provided the individual is motivated enough to do so. As a chief pilot, that’s the sort of employee I want working for me.
Clearly there are more qualified pilots in the world than seats to fill the shiny jets. India is a prime example with Kingfisher laying off 50% of his work force. And that's on top of those who have resigned.
Yes, Rohan, in the US, the glamor days of aviation startedtheir decline in the late 80s. I saw the writing on the wall. I chose to become an expat in the early 90s taking me to all exotic places in the world. The glamor, to some extent still exists, although not many, among few airlines today outside the western world.
Now on to the topic of the "Old Fashioned Method" Rohan. How can one accumulate quality time you ask? Flight Instruction. Indonesia, China and Philippines are looking for flight instructors. I have enven brought it to the attention of fellow posters on PPRUNE too.
Another way to accumulate flight time is to do missionary flying. Those are two suggestions how one can build time.
There are other ways of accumulating time which are far more rewarding than falling for schemes endorsed by charlatans by the likes of Eagle Aviation who take an innocent kid’s or family’s money to build flying time and then don't deliver the goods. It is that very practice that undermines the fabric of our profession. I don't know where you are in your career Rohan, but it's our job to pass the baton on to the new generation by instilling proper habits and ethics that go along with the uniform.
I realize, Rohan, that getting a job flying charter, in foreign lands, with extreme low time is out of the question… but accumulating time can be done, provided the individual is motivated enough to do so. As a chief pilot, that’s the sort of employee I want working for me.
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Now on to the topic of the "Old Fashioned Method" Rohan. How can one accumulate quality time you ask? Flight Instruction. Indonesia, China and Philippines are looking for flight instructors. I have enven brought it to the attention of fellow posters on PPRUNE too.
Another way to accumulate flight time is to do missionary flying. Those are two suggestions how one can build time.
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I realize, Rohan, that getting a job flying charter, in foreign lands, with extreme low time is out of the question… but accumulating time can be done, provided the individual is motivated enough to do so. As a chief pilot, that’s the sort of employee I want working for me.
Another way to accumulate flight time is to do missionary flying. Those are two suggestions how one can build time.
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I realize, Rohan, that getting a job flying charter, in foreign lands, with extreme low time is out of the question… but accumulating time can be done, provided the individual is motivated enough to do so. As a chief pilot, that’s the sort of employee I want working for me.
Airlines typically require a minimum of 500 hours on type for first officers with a type rating. In the case of hiring non type rated first officers, they want about 1,000 hours on modern glass cockpit aircraft equipped with EFIS and weighing more than 10 to 20 tons. Preference is given to PIC time for the latter case.
The hours will come from instruction and missionary flying. But will airlines be satisfied with which aircraft they are on? What do you suggest that freshers do in such a situation? I am eager to know.
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FR, EZJet, 9W, Indigo, and Spice do not require the 500 hour minimum on type as you claim. CX is also hiring cadets with basically IRL, MEL, and CPL.
SG - A lot of money and connections are going to be needed. More money will reduce the requirement for connections.
CX - You mean Cathay Terrific?
It's a hit or miss case.6E - If you're talking about CAE's cadet program, they don't guarantee employment. Only if you pass the interviews and checks will 6E consider candidates for employments. For TR pilots, there's an entrance examination which is quite difficult. Again, some who clear them have an 'inside' man.
As for FR and EZY, I thought we were talking of airlines in India. The situation is grim in India. 6E's program seems to be the only hope for freshers. Otherwise if one has got the hours and ratings, his entry might be eased.
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Paying to fly for an airline!
That is why you can expect crap pay and conditions for your 40 year career. Later you may complain about not be able to get a good job, because they will employ another pilot who is PAYING to work.
Then go for an MCC, JOC, &TR course, and pay to fly 500 hours as a FO on the desired type (usually a 737NG or A320).
That is why you can expect crap pay and conditions for your 40 year career. Later you may complain about not be able to get a good job, because they will employ another pilot who is PAYING to work.
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That is why you can expect crap pay and conditions for your 40 year career. Later you may complain about not be able to get a good job, because they will employ another pilot who is PAYING to work.
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messenger from heaven............ maybe....
Hi
Believe in yourself.......study well and prepare. I not authorized to disclose the facts........ one thing I will tell you Atleast 9 first officers & 20 Trainees from India will be able to fullfill their dreams, working in a Glass cockpit of a jet....(Remember not turboprop.......)
regards & best of luck to all
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Believe in yourself.......study well and prepare. I not authorized to disclose the facts........ one thing I will tell you Atleast 9 first officers & 20 Trainees from India will be able to fullfill their dreams, working in a Glass cockpit of a jet....(Remember not turboprop.......)
regards & best of luck to all
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Thank you, blackbird.
Messenger from Heaven - Now where did you dig that number from? 9 First officers and 20 Trainee pilots (you are using confusing terms as Cathay requires only Second Officers) - are you referring to the Indian pilots who passed the Stage 1 interview?
Trolling?
Atleast 9 first officers & 20 Trainees from India will be able to fullfill their dreams, working in a Glass cockpit of a jet.
Trolling?
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its not cathay............!!!!!!
hi
nobody has any clue other than me...............!!!!!!!!!!
commanders already recruited for the requirement............ (9 of them)..............
Ads will be posted in a few weeks for 9 first officers (without/with TR, 500 HRs FH)and 20 trainees (without TR, minimum FH).....
best part indians are preffered... (CMD is an Indian.., he himself is a pilot)
Study and Prepare well
All the best
nobody has any clue other than me...............!!!!!!!!!!
commanders already recruited for the requirement............ (9 of them)..............
Ads will be posted in a few weeks for 9 first officers (without/with TR, 500 HRs FH)and 20 trainees (without TR, minimum FH).....
best part indians are preffered... (CMD is an Indian.., he himself is a pilot)
Study and Prepare well
All the best