Which Chinese Airlines you like?
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I'd check on the actual requirements before applying for the Hainan 320/ 330 upgrade. When China Southern tried it, Caac imposed a requirement of 500 hours domestic flying before release to long haul operations- something CS could not facilitate. The program was subsequently stillborn.
This is true. Go and talk to some of the F/O's at Jade. Many leave because there are landing and hour restrictions to become a captain.
This is true. Go and talk to some of the F/O's at Jade. Many leave because there are landing and hour restrictions to become a captain.
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Hi all, anybody in a B 777 contract with China Southern or Air China, are they worth the trouble? Interested in a decent paying comuting contract that allows staying based in SE Asia
Tks
Tks
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"poor discipline and disorderliness are common among foreign pilots."
Arghhh.....I just coughed my honey nut cheerios out my nose when I read this line.
I have spent many years of flying in China and other places in Asia and yet its the foreign pilots with "poor discipline and disorderliness"?????
Good grief, these people will NEVER move forward until they acknowledge the problem is deep within themselves. The most incompetent unprofessional non aviators I have ever come across.
Arghhh.....I just coughed my honey nut cheerios out my nose when I read this line.
I have spent many years of flying in China and other places in Asia and yet its the foreign pilots with "poor discipline and disorderliness"?????
Good grief, these people will NEVER move forward until they acknowledge the problem is deep within themselves. The most incompetent unprofessional non aviators I have ever come across.
Most trying to leave after 12- 18 months of PEK basing that was only supposed to last 12 months, as was the 12 months of relief Capt duties. European basings constantly in jeopardy even for the rated guys so little chance of them happening for the non-rated guys. Upgrades to line Capt- who knows when, on the bottom of an indefinite queue below all the local Capts waiting for upgrade. Not to speak of the ongoing 'training' they have received from local training Capts.
Nothing that they weren't warned about before joining only now their situation is worse than when they joined. Over 18 months off their previous type, relief time only on the 330 & a type rating not recognised by any other country. Plus the accumulated fatigue of 1000 hrs/ year of east/ west longhaul.
Don't say you weren't warned.
Nothing that they weren't warned about before joining only now their situation is worse than when they joined. Over 18 months off their previous type, relief time only on the 330 & a type rating not recognised by any other country. Plus the accumulated fatigue of 1000 hrs/ year of east/ west longhaul.
Don't say you weren't warned.
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Maybe I just got lucky! My first chinese job was a 50% parttime contract with MU starting in CDG and ending in CDg after twelve days! The rest of the month belonged to me (2008/2009). Was too good to be true . Then had the chance to change to HU, frustrating five months until first flight , then full time ex PEK with ten free days in Europe. After 1 1/2 years a 70 percent parttime job with guaranteed 14 days off in Europe (excluding travel/DHC days). Was ok and would have gotten better. The two remaining chaps of my original 11 man group are on 70% respectively 50% parttime contract, but for me it was time to end my flying career. Not that I was treated unfairly but the commuting was taking its toll and the grey areas that you as Cpt were held responsible got too big for my liking. Money was 30% above my old salary and the scheduling was horror pure but only because we wanted our free days en bloc.
Can't really recommend any chinese job but all in all it worked out ok for me.
Good luck for anyone going there, not much chance to change their way of thinking and doing things( though not impossible) . Bring a lot of stamina ;-)
Can't really recommend any chinese job but all in all it worked out ok for me.
Good luck for anyone going there, not much chance to change their way of thinking and doing things( though not impossible) . Bring a lot of stamina ;-)
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Be careful with those Chinese airlines. Scheduling is potentially dangerous. They will run a pilot to his absolute limits. They will reschedule you with wanton abandon too.
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Hi, anyone who recently joined or who is already working for a long time with Chinese carriers could share their experience? Especial interest on BCA and China Eastern A320 positions but any inside on other operations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Well that doesn't sound like the kind of enviroment I would like to be working day in and day out. Any comments on BCA? They seem to have one of the best packages on offer (at least on paper).
Anyone working in china can clarify what's the deal with the minimum monthly flying hours? Do you get your salary cut if you don't reach that minimum?
Thanks to all.
Anyone working in china can clarify what's the deal with the minimum monthly flying hours? Do you get your salary cut if you don't reach that minimum?
Thanks to all.
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Packages in BCA, Westair and Spring are all quite similar depending on the commuting option you choose. Variations might be in the way the agencies have to advertise those contracts.
Your salary is based on a certain amount of hours per year. If you do not reach that amount of hours due to personal reasons (being sick 3 months, no show,...) then your salary is recalculated on a monthly hour prorata basis. I.e.: 80 hours per month, so they deduct let's say 150$ per hour not flown up to 80 hours.
Another important issue is your training pay, in some airlines this takes up to 60 days, in others 12 months, which is crazy and drives people really angry. Again, careful with the way agencies advertise contracts...
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Your salary is based on a certain amount of hours per year. If you do not reach that amount of hours due to personal reasons (being sick 3 months, no show,...) then your salary is recalculated on a monthly hour prorata basis. I.e.: 80 hours per month, so they deduct let's say 150$ per hour not flown up to 80 hours.
Another important issue is your training pay, in some airlines this takes up to 60 days, in others 12 months, which is crazy and drives people really angry. Again, careful with the way agencies advertise contracts...
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Cheers
