Recency flying in India (for conversion)
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Recency flying in India (for conversion)
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I'm an Australian CPL holder and am looking to convert my license here in India. I have passed the DGCA conversion exams. Now my main hurdle is the 6 month recency requirement. I'm planning on doing these hours in India itself. I'm not planning on getting a multi endorsement in India, just a CPL with single engine IR. Can anyone please recommend a genuine flying club in India that has a C172 in their fleet and will help me get my hours (and other requirements such as signal reception) done?
Any input is welcome.
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I'm an Australian CPL holder and am looking to convert my license here in India. I have passed the DGCA conversion exams. Now my main hurdle is the 6 month recency requirement. I'm planning on doing these hours in India itself. I'm not planning on getting a multi endorsement in India, just a CPL with single engine IR. Can anyone please recommend a genuine flying club in India that has a C172 in their fleet and will help me get my hours (and other requirements such as signal reception) done?
Any input is welcome.
Thanks
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Hey Sam,
Are ya an Indian National? Just curious! Do you have an Indian CPL already? I thought the Indian DGCA doesnt issue you a Indian CPL if your a Foreign Citizen. (Even after you get your Written Tests etc out of the way)
I have heard Chimes Aviation is good. Another one that can help is Rainbow aviation. Also the one in Kanpur Garg Aviation is good. Got the info about them from sources and they said they are legitimate and good.
I have not flown in India. Have tried it but its always a hassle.
Are ya an Indian National? Just curious! Do you have an Indian CPL already? I thought the Indian DGCA doesnt issue you a Indian CPL if your a Foreign Citizen. (Even after you get your Written Tests etc out of the way)
I have heard Chimes Aviation is good. Another one that can help is Rainbow aviation. Also the one in Kanpur Garg Aviation is good. Got the info about them from sources and they said they are legitimate and good.
I have not flown in India. Have tried it but its always a hassle.
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Jack, thanks for your post. Yes I'm an Indian national. If I wasn't why on earth would I get myself stuck in Indian aviation?! Nope I don't have an Indian CPL, which is why I'm trying to convert my Australian CPL here.
Yeah lots of people have told me that recency flying in India will be a hassle. I know someone who took about 4-5 months to finish his recency flying with a flying club in Madhya Pradesh (can't remember if it was Chimes Aviation or not). 4-5 months for approx 30 hours?! Ridiculous.
I'm gonna spend couple more days trying to find a flying club in India who will do the recency flying within a month. If nothing comes out it, I might end up doing the flying in Oz itself.
Anyone else reading this please provide your input if you can.
Yeah lots of people have told me that recency flying in India will be a hassle. I know someone who took about 4-5 months to finish his recency flying with a flying club in Madhya Pradesh (can't remember if it was Chimes Aviation or not). 4-5 months for approx 30 hours?! Ridiculous.
I'm gonna spend couple more days trying to find a flying club in India who will do the recency flying within a month. If nothing comes out it, I might end up doing the flying in Oz itself.
Anyone else reading this please provide your input if you can.
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hi,
my friend's got a cpl from australia too. she's going to U.S for flying. there are many options if you plan to fly in u.s. its perhaps the best option in terms of flying- cheap, safe and hassle free.
goodluck.
my friend's got a cpl from australia too. she's going to U.S for flying. there are many options if you plan to fly in u.s. its perhaps the best option in terms of flying- cheap, safe and hassle free.
goodluck.
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DGCA does allow conversion of CPL if ur a foreign national with OCI ( overseas citizen of India)... have you guys come across anyone who has OCI and has been rejected for conversion?
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@ Storm999
Look closely at the following thread
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...a-licence.html
Look closely at the following thread
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...a-licence.html
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@ Sam, was just confirming... anyway, i hope things turn out easy for you. I have been trying to get in touch with the Clubs (flying school). I hardly get a reply. I guess better take a trip down there and discuss with them or the best option would be to travel to a non-indian subcontinent and get your flying like Thailand(u can get a ppl conversion done soon and its fun flying there not that expensive either)
About the conversion. They are people who have an OCI and still couldnt get the conversion at the last step(as per the thread here on PPrune). And they are people who are different Nationals other then india who have indian CPL and flying in India currently. So its quite a compicated thing I guess or I guess just depends on the mood of the DGCA people.
About the conversion. They are people who have an OCI and still couldnt get the conversion at the last step(as per the thread here on PPrune). And they are people who are different Nationals other then india who have indian CPL and flying in India currently. So its quite a compicated thing I guess or I guess just depends on the mood of the DGCA people.
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doing recency flying in india is a hassle.
1)you have to get you FRTOL from dgca which will take around 15 - 20 days
2) after getting your frtol you have to get your spl
3) after all this you can start your flying.........i cant find any goods flying school in india except IGRUA and RG flight academy,Gonida
i would suggest you to go back to australia or nz to do your recency flying.
cheers
1)you have to get you FRTOL from dgca which will take around 15 - 20 days
2) after getting your frtol you have to get your spl
3) after all this you can start your flying.........i cant find any goods flying school in india except IGRUA and RG flight academy,Gonida
i would suggest you to go back to australia or nz to do your recency flying.
cheers
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On a side note, what's the procedure for applying for FRTOL? Do we use the same form that is used to apply for issue of CPL? I already have my RTR(P) issued.
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Well let me explain to you what i have faced back in 2008, First of all you got to get enrolled in a flight school which then give you a ground school completion certificate(a letter) along with the mark sheet of a written exam conducted by the club. After then your chief ground instructor of your club/school will recommend you to DGCA examiner (kind of like signing off) who will then conduct an oral exam for you. upon satisfaction of the DGCA officer, you will then start a little paper work that you need to send to DGCA along with DD of 1000Rs for Initial issue that comes with one aircraft endorsed, you will need to send another 1000Rs or so for each additional add on. This after your paper work will take any were close to 1 month to get a letter of approvel from DGCA to issue you a SPL. This letter is received by the flight school and they then issue you a SPL. Now on your request your flight school will conduct a written exam (need not worry as the flight school manges the mark sheet for you) and you enclose this mark sheet, along with SPL DD of RS.5000/- along with FRTOL application Form and you could possibly expect another 30Days to get the FRTOL by post to you.
So this complets the Process of SPL and FRTOL, For your Understanding, With SPL alone you could fly along with an instructor, but with FRTOL you could go solo on your SPL. Since you already have an RTR you don't need an FRTOL, all you need is SPL to fly solo in India.
(RTR supersedes FRTOL)
So basically FRTOL permits a student pilot on board and indian aircraft to fly solo.
Well this was back 2 yr but not sure what is the exact procedure now followed. So just sharing my experience.
) and you enclose this mark sheet, along with SPL DD of RS.5000/- along with FRTOL application Form and you could possibly expect another 30Days to get the FRTOL by post to you.So this complets the Process of SPL and FRTOL, For your Understanding, With SPL alone you could fly along with an instructor, but with FRTOL you could go solo on your SPL. Since you already have an RTR you don't need an FRTOL, all you need is SPL to fly solo in India.
(RTR supersedes FRTOL)
So basically FRTOL permits a student pilot on board and indian aircraft to fly solo.
Well this was back 2 yr but not sure what is the exact procedure now followed. So just sharing my experience.
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Since you already have an RTR you don't need an FRTOL, all you need is SPL to fly solo in India. (RTR supersedes FRTOL)
The whole point in having an RTR which is different from FRTOL is unfathomable to me but if RTR supersedes FRTOL, what is the point in paying Rs5000 for an FRTOL?
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Well what you have said is true. but you again don't have to wast time to apply for an FRTOL Since with RTR(COP) u could fly solo. and pay the FRTOL at the time of applying for CPL.
Supersedes in terms of carrying documents not a substitute (My bad if you interpret it wrong).
Also to what i said earlier was an FRTOL(Restricted) that is only valid till private pilot check this link and see the Important instructions. http://dgca.nic.in/forms/crew-d/frtol.PDF
So you should by now figure out what would be needed there after.
Supersedes in terms of carrying documents not a substitute (My bad if you interpret it wrong).
Also to what i said earlier was an FRTOL(Restricted) that is only valid till private pilot check this link and see the Important instructions. http://dgca.nic.in/forms/crew-d/frtol.PDF
So you should by now figure out what would be needed there after.
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hey ,
i am planning to do my recency in India at Aligarh (Ambitions aviation academy) .I got the COP from WPC but now they tell me that I cant fly recency without the FRTOL issued from DGCA . So i had to postpone my flying. Now what am trying to figure out is how long does the DGCA take to issue the FRTOL?
please suggest what else can be done..
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i am planning to do my recency in India at Aligarh (Ambitions aviation academy) .I got the COP from WPC but now they tell me that I cant fly recency without the FRTOL issued from DGCA . So i had to postpone my flying. Now what am trying to figure out is how long does the DGCA take to issue the FRTOL?
please suggest what else can be done..
thanks
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That's right man..u need a FRTOL (issued by DGCA) and also a SPL to fly in India and for logging PIC hours.
I can tell u this coz I was also in the same situation few months back.
I can tell u this coz I was also in the same situation few months back.
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Ankit, just out of curiosity why did you choose Ambitions Aviation Academy? Is it just a location preference or do you know that Ambitions is genuine in their operations? Also, since Ambitions only operate single engines, I presume you're only going for a single engine IR on your Indian CPL? If you don't mind me asking, what was your reason to opt for a single engine IR over a multi engine IR?
In answer to your question, Teja has already said in a previous post in this thread that the DGCA paperwork can take 1-2 months. As has been said by many people on this forum, recency flying in India will be a hassle.
In answer to your question, Teja has already said in a previous post in this thread that the DGCA paperwork can take 1-2 months. As has been said by many people on this forum, recency flying in India will be a hassle.
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Maverick, since you said that you "were" in the same situation few months back, can I ask where did you end up doing your recency flying?
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I did my recency from the Madhya Pradesh Flying Club, Indore.
And if u want me to recommend then I wud say that u should go over dere as I think its one of the best flying club in India to do recency as the cfi over dere Mandar Mahajan is a real gentleman and also the other instructors n staff members. It took only 10 days for me to do the complete recency SE + ME.
I contacted Ambition Academy also but didn't go over there as they said that for Multi, I shall have to go to Agra.....it was just too much hassle whereas in Indore it was all cool breezer....recency, document stuff everything.
This is my opinion and if u have any other query, I wouldn't mind clearing them.
P.S.- You also need to have a SPL to log PIC hours in India.
And if u want me to recommend then I wud say that u should go over dere as I think its one of the best flying club in India to do recency as the cfi over dere Mandar Mahajan is a real gentleman and also the other instructors n staff members. It took only 10 days for me to do the complete recency SE + ME.
I contacted Ambition Academy also but didn't go over there as they said that for Multi, I shall have to go to Agra.....it was just too much hassle whereas in Indore it was all cool breezer....recency, document stuff everything.
This is my opinion and if u have any other query, I wouldn't mind clearing them.
P.S.- You also need to have a SPL to log PIC hours in India.
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And also about doing the entire recency.....yes it takes around 1-2 months.
Firstly you need to get the FRTOL from DGCA, which takes around 30 days (I was lucky as I got it in 24 days).
Then you need to get a SPL. Now many people suggest different ways of getting it. I can tell you how I got it within 1 day (and trust me it was all genuine). I got my SPL from the Haryana Institute of Civil Aviation, Pinjore. Here I would like to add that although it is true that DGCA is the authority who can issue the SPL but there are some flying clubs (including this one) which have been authorised by the DGCA to issue SPL directly.
You just need to contact the cfi over there and he will tell you all the documents that u will need to bring and the fees (which is rs. 15,000: 5000 of which goes to DGCA and 10000 is kept by them which includes the examiner fees and extra surcharges
)....and that's it...you will get ur SPL issued then and there itself, maybe within an hour.......and just to tell you there won't be any kind of test!!
Pretty easy stuff...I didn't find doing my recency tough..it all went pretty well...as I said I was lucky enough...I then got my CPL within 34 days of submission...
Firstly you need to get the FRTOL from DGCA, which takes around 30 days (I was lucky as I got it in 24 days).
Then you need to get a SPL. Now many people suggest different ways of getting it. I can tell you how I got it within 1 day (and trust me it was all genuine). I got my SPL from the Haryana Institute of Civil Aviation, Pinjore. Here I would like to add that although it is true that DGCA is the authority who can issue the SPL but there are some flying clubs (including this one) which have been authorised by the DGCA to issue SPL directly.
You just need to contact the cfi over there and he will tell you all the documents that u will need to bring and the fees (which is rs. 15,000: 5000 of which goes to DGCA and 10000 is kept by them which includes the examiner fees and extra surcharges
)....and that's it...you will get ur SPL issued then and there itself, maybe within an hour.......and just to tell you there won't be any kind of test!!Pretty easy stuff...I didn't find doing my recency tough..it all went pretty well...as I said I was lucky enough...I then got my CPL within 34 days of submission...