Recency flying in India (for conversion)
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Folks,
Does anybody know about this new 'rule' that seems to have come into existence - that a 'graduation' will be the minimum requirement for an Indian CPL to be issued from now. Is that true? Somebody throw some light on that.
Does anybody know about this new 'rule' that seems to have come into existence - that a 'graduation' will be the minimum requirement for an Indian CPL to be issued from now. Is that true? Somebody throw some light on that.
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M/E endorsement
@Maverick 03 - about recency on ME....I have PA30 endorsed on my oz cpl. If MP flying club has a different M/E a/c, Do i have to do the technical exam etc before doing the recency ?
How much did it cost for the complete recency ?
appreciate you advise
How much did it cost for the complete recency ?
appreciate you advise
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If you have got a PA30 endorsed on ur Oz CPL then first u need to check whether this aircraft is registered in the DGCA list of aircrafts or not (I'm pretty sure Commanche is registered here).
If it is registered then u just need to find out a flying school here in India which has this aircraft and you can get ur recency done.
You don't need to give the technical exam since the aircraft is already endorsed on ur Oz CPL.
FYI MP Flying Club does not have PA30.
The entire recency including ME costed me around 2.5-3 lakhs.
If it is registered then u just need to find out a flying school here in India which has this aircraft and you can get ur recency done.
You don't need to give the technical exam since the aircraft is already endorsed on ur Oz CPL.
FYI MP Flying Club does not have PA30.
The entire recency including ME costed me around 2.5-3 lakhs.
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I was in the opinion that flying in India is costly, but at Rs 7000/- an hour i think it is reasonable to fly here in India itself.
7000X200 to get a SE commercial is only 14lacs and i think in India the prices are flat, i mean no additional hr.ly charges to instructor, check ride fee or some hidden charges i see while training in US.
More over no hassle for recency
Should be a nice deal to get CPL in India as well.
7000X200 to get a SE commercial is only 14lacs and i think in India the prices are flat, i mean no additional hr.ly charges to instructor, check ride fee or some hidden charges i see while training in US.
More over no hassle for recency
Should be a nice deal to get CPL in India as well.
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DGCA register for A/C's
Just checked the list of A/C's accepted by DGCA -
http://www.dgca.nic.in/AD/Accepted_AC.pdf
This list doesnt have PA30 (twin commanche),Cessna 152 or a 150 !
Does it mean they have been removed from the register or are these in addition to the old list ?
http://www.dgca.nic.in/AD/Accepted_AC.pdf
This list doesnt have PA30 (twin commanche),Cessna 152 or a 150 !
Does it mean they have been removed from the register or are these in addition to the old list ?
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MP flying club has C152,172, P68 (Partenavia ME).
Damn that list of DGCA, never updated (never cared to be modified). I'm pretty sure its dere coz some of my friends had done rating on Commanche and have got it endorsed on their Indian license.
Damn that list of DGCA, never updated (never cared to be modified). I'm pretty sure its dere coz some of my friends had done rating on Commanche and have got it endorsed on their Indian license.
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Madhya Pradesh Flying Club is the worst place for flying.I did my recency training there and it took around three months to complete only 10 hours of single engine flying.I need to do the rest flying from other flying club.The Flight instructors there have zero knowledge and don't even talk to students politely.They think that they are the best flight instructors whereas they would be the least knowledgeable instructors.One of the instructor asked me to practice stall and recovery at just 1000 feet.Which you can understand is very dangerous if incase the aircraft spins then you do not have any chance to recover from that.
Also they had not refunded my money till yet.When I ask them to refund they say that it will not be refunded in any case.I will strongly not recommend to join there.They will just ask to deposit the complete money and do just half of the flying and then say that they do not have fuel or some of the the problem.
They also charge instructor charges apart from flying charges which no other flying club charges in India.
Also they had not refunded my money till yet.When I ask them to refund they say that it will not be refunded in any case.I will strongly not recommend to join there.They will just ask to deposit the complete money and do just half of the flying and then say that they do not have fuel or some of the the problem.
They also charge instructor charges apart from flying charges which no other flying club charges in India.
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@cpl777 and to all the other folks......I'm not here to endorse any flying school,however i would be more than happy to give a testimony on how I went forward doing my recency at Madhya Pradesh Flying Club.Initially i had my thoughts on doing my recency in India in the first place (I have an FAA Multi Engine CPL).....After talking to a few friends i decided to go to Karnal but pulled back at the last minute.My friend and I then decided to go to MPFC instead and i really hated the idea, until i really had a chance to meet the CFI face to face and discuss my conversion issue with him.The day i landed at MPFC was the day they made me do my day fam flight and the night fam flight.I was kinda shocked because i wasn't prepared thinking its an Indian flight school etc etc...
When i went to the office to sign the ORTHO that night, little did i notice that the CFI had planned all the flights for my friend and me in advance on a blank sheet of paper as per our individual needs and requirements making sure we do not log an extra minute more than we actually need for conversion.All we had to do is come early morning and just fly.And go home late in the night.Not to forget that at times we were offered a lift by the CFI himself.But that's besides the point.
@cpl777.....I respect your point of view and you are right in expressing it.However i am a little taken aback by the comments you made on the flight instructors.For them we were strangers too but they kinda did everything for us.In short all that was left for them to do was to feed us.All were so co-operative.Believe me on this i'm not kidding.I logged about 16 hours total (inclusive of instruments,fam flight,10 t/o landing in night,PIC cross countries) in a little under 6 days.
As per the charges of the instructor let me add that atleast they ain't charging you a service fee of 12.36 % on your total fee.Some flying clubs do that.Secondly the charge for flight instructors is Rs 120 an hour. Haven't you spent an exorbitant amount in a foreign country?I'm sure the instructor fee in the US would be somewhere around 20-25 $ an hour.So why crib here?..The aircraft's there are superbly maintained,all thanks to a dedicated team of AME's...Damn hardworking bunch of guys.... As for the Fuel, availability of fuel in India is a big problem because unlike the US you don't get it directly here.The Aviation Fuel in India is tested first for viscosity and many more such things before they give it to the flying clubs and to add to that they have a set Quota for each flying school.My friend in Bombay flying school had to sit for atleast a month or so because of nonavailability of fuel and mind you he wasn't doing his receny but all his 200 hours.
I was very happy with the way they handled our recency situation and thus i would recommend each one to go there an do your recency flying.Respects everybody's view here.To each it's own.
When i went to the office to sign the ORTHO that night, little did i notice that the CFI had planned all the flights for my friend and me in advance on a blank sheet of paper as per our individual needs and requirements making sure we do not log an extra minute more than we actually need for conversion.All we had to do is come early morning and just fly.And go home late in the night.Not to forget that at times we were offered a lift by the CFI himself.But that's besides the point.
@cpl777.....I respect your point of view and you are right in expressing it.However i am a little taken aback by the comments you made on the flight instructors.For them we were strangers too but they kinda did everything for us.In short all that was left for them to do was to feed us.All were so co-operative.Believe me on this i'm not kidding.I logged about 16 hours total (inclusive of instruments,fam flight,10 t/o landing in night,PIC cross countries) in a little under 6 days.
As per the charges of the instructor let me add that atleast they ain't charging you a service fee of 12.36 % on your total fee.Some flying clubs do that.Secondly the charge for flight instructors is Rs 120 an hour. Haven't you spent an exorbitant amount in a foreign country?I'm sure the instructor fee in the US would be somewhere around 20-25 $ an hour.So why crib here?..The aircraft's there are superbly maintained,all thanks to a dedicated team of AME's...Damn hardworking bunch of guys.... As for the Fuel, availability of fuel in India is a big problem because unlike the US you don't get it directly here.The Aviation Fuel in India is tested first for viscosity and many more such things before they give it to the flying clubs and to add to that they have a set Quota for each flying school.My friend in Bombay flying school had to sit for atleast a month or so because of nonavailability of fuel and mind you he wasn't doing his receny but all his 200 hours.
I was very happy with the way they handled our recency situation and thus i would recommend each one to go there an do your recency flying.Respects everybody's view here.To each it's own.
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Dear equinox123, thank you for the comments.As you will understand that every person has different thoughts and it matters from person to person.For you it might be that the Madhya Pradesh Flying Club and its instructors were best but for me they are the worst.
Also I would like to know that did you had Student Pilot License since you wrote in your comments that you had flown on the first day of your arrival or or they had allowed to fly the aircraft without Student Pilot License.As I had to wait for a month for the Student Pilot License exam.Also they informed that it is done once in a month.
Anyway has your CPL issued or its still pending with DGCA? They are taking a lot of time to issue the CPL. Mine is still pending.
Cheers
Also I would like to know that did you had Student Pilot License since you wrote in your comments that you had flown on the first day of your arrival or or they had allowed to fly the aircraft without Student Pilot License.As I had to wait for a month for the Student Pilot License exam.Also they informed that it is done once in a month.
Anyway has your CPL issued or its still pending with DGCA? They are taking a lot of time to issue the CPL. Mine is still pending.
Cheers
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Hey Maverick, could you please tell me the procedure for getting the FRTOL issued.....i have the RTR-COP and am looking for any kind of application form for FRTOL which tells me about the documents required also.......haven't been able to find one till now!
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Recency Flying in India
Friends please suggest me a good flying club which could get my recency completed in least possible time and that too at little less cost.I had contacted a flight school in aligarh somewhat named Ambitions Flying Club.They are asking Rs.25,000 towards registration and Rs.11000 per hour for day, Rs.12000 for night, Rs.16,500 for day test, Rs.17,500 for night test and Rs.21,500 for IR check.My friend was telling that they also do not have permission to do flying checks by night at ALigarh and I will have to go to Jaipur.For which I will have to pay again extra charges.I think the charges are very high as compared to U.S.
What about Madhya Pradesh Flying Club charges?
What about Madhya Pradesh Flying Club charges?
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Don't go to Madhya Pradesh Flying Club.Read my above posts.When you will call them they will say that your flying will be completed in 5 days, 6 days or so but the flying never get completed in that time it will take months.Also they do not return the money back.Most of the time they do not have fuel.They will tell you that our flying rates are Rs.... but that rates do not include instructor charges nor they will tell you examiner fees which is in thousands per test.They will ask you for the same after the test and that too in cash without any receipt.
Recently my friend need to did Partenavia P-68 recency tests.They keep on saying that it will be completed in two days but when my friend reached their they told them that P-68 is down and no flying could be done.
I do not recommend anybody to go there and do their recency.
Recently my friend need to did Partenavia P-68 recency tests.They keep on saying that it will be completed in two days but when my friend reached their they told them that P-68 is down and no flying could be done.
I do not recommend anybody to go there and do their recency.
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cpl777 thank you for the advise.I asked some one he also told me the same thing about the extra examiner fees.Please suggest me any other good flying club.
