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The arrogance of some native English speakers
To all you English native speakers that have a hard time dealing with non native English speakers and have expressed their comments often. Consider yourselves blessed not having to only learn a trade you like but on top of it a whole new language. For some it is harder than learn the trade itself and perform better speaking it than writing it. So to those who are unwilling to understand and have to comment on pronunciation and grammar from non native English speakers I can only say , poor you. You have absolutely no place in this profession since you lack anticipation.
I can picture you in a cockpit not making an effort listening to a unicom traffic position broadcast just because it does not sound right to you. You would be missing the point there buddy. Your lack of effort even trying to understand the other traffic is more dangerous than speaking insufficient English. At least the other guy is making an effort to speak it and you are not making an effort to listen because you’re disgusted with the way it is spoken. As for sharing information on this forum, be glad that people share information or their point of view . It is free education,............you can thank me later at a mature age.
Make an effort please and we will all be safer up there , lucky for you the aviation world has agreed that English is the aviation language. It could have been French or Spanish. So for you to fully understand my point I suggest you learn a second language.
And to those native English speakers that understand my level 4 English and have a more professional approach to this subject , it is your job to educate your lesser countrymen.
I can picture you in a cockpit not making an effort listening to a unicom traffic position broadcast just because it does not sound right to you. You would be missing the point there buddy. Your lack of effort even trying to understand the other traffic is more dangerous than speaking insufficient English. At least the other guy is making an effort to speak it and you are not making an effort to listen because you’re disgusted with the way it is spoken. As for sharing information on this forum, be glad that people share information or their point of view . It is free education,............you can thank me later at a mature age.
Make an effort please and we will all be safer up there , lucky for you the aviation world has agreed that English is the aviation language. It could have been French or Spanish. So for you to fully understand my point I suggest you learn a second language.
And to those native English speakers that understand my level 4 English and have a more professional approach to this subject , it is your job to educate your lesser countrymen.
Fighting 'arrogance' with arrogance?
You are right some people do make an effort and that is often readily apparent. Some people clearly do not and it endangers safety.
I listen to calls even when they don't sound right, not to would be incredibly poor airmanship. The problem arises when you have to attempt to interpret using very subjective terms, you may get it wrong. Conversely seeking clarity in a busy environment serves to clutter the frequency, potentially increasing everyone's workload.
I'd say you are more than Level 4. Plenty of people out there with 'Level 4' who don't seem to able to communicate as effectively as you just have.
You are right some people do make an effort and that is often readily apparent. Some people clearly do not and it endangers safety.
I listen to calls even when they don't sound right, not to would be incredibly poor airmanship. The problem arises when you have to attempt to interpret using very subjective terms, you may get it wrong. Conversely seeking clarity in a busy environment serves to clutter the frequency, potentially increasing everyone's workload.
I'd say you are more than Level 4. Plenty of people out there with 'Level 4' who don't seem to able to communicate as effectively as you just have.
