what's future with 500 jet flight hours?
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alloverthesky87,
Eaglejet's latest updated website is offering the 500 hour programme
with a 12 month guaranteed paid employment.
That's at least 1400 hours B737NG F/O jet time over an 18 month period.
*alloverthesky87,
I doubt that you have 1000 hours total time and 500 hours jet time at the
moment, you're just gazing into a fortune tellers crystal ball.
Apart from the looking into the future, you got have the US$60K available.
The EJ programme has become quite attractive than ever before and a B738 is still a B738 whether it's in Europe or asia, it's still the same aircraft and flys the same!
Eaglejet's latest updated website is offering the 500 hour programme
with a 12 month guaranteed paid employment.
That's at least 1400 hours B737NG F/O jet time over an 18 month period.
*alloverthesky87,
I doubt that you have 1000 hours total time and 500 hours jet time at the
moment, you're just gazing into a fortune tellers crystal ball.
Apart from the looking into the future, you got have the US$60K available.
The EJ programme has become quite attractive than ever before and a B738 is still a B738 whether it's in Europe or asia, it's still the same aircraft and flys the same!
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It's a good offer because it's the first time EJ have advertised
"+12 months guaranteed employment", after the 500 hours line flying.
It's better than paying $35k for 300 to 500 hours for an A320 programme.
From what i can see, after the 18 month period, it's a simple step to
convert to an A320 or any other aircraft, because a person has got
a jet flying background and they'd be quite competent.
**$60K..
*$26K for a B738/9 type rating simulator only and signed off, with travel, accomodation
and meals taken into consideration over a 5 week period.
*$26K for the 500 hour line programme.
**$10K to live off in Indonesia over the 6 month line flying programme.
Total cost $60K to $USD65K.
It could take you a 2 to 3 years to save the money but this is another
alternative.
If a person doesn't like it, then they should try and get into the airlines
in their country via the normal route! (Instructing,charter,military,cadet).
The other option is to go to Indonesia and try and get into an airline.
**The key factors with all this, are having a type rating and being cashed up
with money, to be able to live off for a period of time and having some money
in the bank when a person returns home.
*My understanding is the 12 month employment period, is paid employment.
"+12 months guaranteed employment", after the 500 hours line flying.
It's better than paying $35k for 300 to 500 hours for an A320 programme.
From what i can see, after the 18 month period, it's a simple step to
convert to an A320 or any other aircraft, because a person has got
a jet flying background and they'd be quite competent.
**$60K..
*$26K for a B738/9 type rating simulator only and signed off, with travel, accomodation
and meals taken into consideration over a 5 week period.
*$26K for the 500 hour line programme.
**$10K to live off in Indonesia over the 6 month line flying programme.
Total cost $60K to $USD65K.
It could take you a 2 to 3 years to save the money but this is another
alternative.
If a person doesn't like it, then they should try and get into the airlines
in their country via the normal route! (Instructing,charter,military,cadet).
The other option is to go to Indonesia and try and get into an airline.
**The key factors with all this, are having a type rating and being cashed up
with money, to be able to live off for a period of time and having some money
in the bank when a person returns home.
*My understanding is the 12 month employment period, is paid employment.
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captainsuperstorm,
I read one of your other posts, where you're predicting the world
aviation economy will pick up by 2020?
Very intelligent Captain.
Can you predict the next world financial crisis? No you can't!
The EJ B738 programme is what's available outside a person's own country.
Say something constructive Or give the guy a job!
You cannot do either!
Except dribble from your mouth as with other posts!!!
It's very unlikely that any Captain has a callsign as yours!
I read one of your other posts, where you're predicting the world
aviation economy will pick up by 2020?
Very intelligent Captain.
Can you predict the next world financial crisis? No you can't!
The EJ B738 programme is what's available outside a person's own country.
Say something constructive Or give the guy a job!
You cannot do either!
Except dribble from your mouth as with other posts!!!
It's very unlikely that any Captain has a callsign as yours!
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PT6A
Some of your facts are wrong especially Lion Air kiking you out after 500 hours....The contract is 500 hours minimum and 12 months form day you start flying. Lion pilots fly from 80-110 hours per month so do you think they will kick you out after 6 months? I dont think so!
Lion have more planes than crew so I dont think they will be kicking you out any time soon.
A few CAE and EJ guys have just join Garuda after turning down the employment offer by Lion once they received 500 hours.
Alot of people seem to think the EU is the bollocks to work in but infact its the opposite....Your over taxed, you have stupid rules and regulations to follow from health and safety (assement done on a light switch in your office is a good example) and its just full of bureaucracy.
You get stressed out before you even get to the plane by traffic and then through security which have **** for brains half the time.
The EU is one place in the whole world so dont think everyone follows the same mentality, which by the way I find quite funny becaue its usually only the people who dont get out much seem to think it does.
Indonesia is totally different to the EU so they dont follow western world rules! Also the fact that their in so much poverty they cant afford to have Radar and all the fancy gagets most of the EU have.
Health and Safety in Indonesia doesnt exist because they are not worried about getting sued because the poor giy is lucky to even have a job, plus the value of life in poverty run countries cost nothing.
On the other hand if Lion do want EU recognition then they will have to jump through the hoops and not use there usual way of paying someone off to get the job done.
PT6A do you honestly think it will destroy your CV? Have you ever heard of the saying "**** in = **** out" well thats the same with these p2f schemes. If you have a well trained pilot who just needs hours and he then goes for 500 hours then he will get what he wanted and when the job market looks better he will get employment.....if you have a pilot who isnt so good and just thinks money will get him where he needs to be then his chances are alot less.
The airlines dont care who you worked for they just want to see if you met the requirements and that you can pass the assement...Do you honestly think they will say well ok this guy passed our assesment with no problems, hes a good guy but WAIT!!! He flew for a carrier who is banned in the EU ok then lets not give him the job...Get real man it doesnt work like that.
If you honestly think the EU is the place to work then go ahead my friend but soon planes will be dropping out of the sky beause the lack of safety.
Due to MX cost being so high in the EU the airlines now take there planes to eastern european countries where B1 license get given to the guy than him taking years to obtain it. There is less paper work in these countries because most dont fill them out or it just gets lost with the others.
The airlines have now took on the mentality dont fix it unless its broken, where as before it was "ok this will obviously break within the next 100 hours lets change it now". Coming from a family who is in aviation is most sectors pilots and MX its shocking some of the stories you hear about that involve well known EU carriers.
Some of your facts are wrong especially Lion Air kiking you out after 500 hours....The contract is 500 hours minimum and 12 months form day you start flying. Lion pilots fly from 80-110 hours per month so do you think they will kick you out after 6 months? I dont think so!
Lion have more planes than crew so I dont think they will be kicking you out any time soon.
A few CAE and EJ guys have just join Garuda after turning down the employment offer by Lion once they received 500 hours.
Alot of people seem to think the EU is the bollocks to work in but infact its the opposite....Your over taxed, you have stupid rules and regulations to follow from health and safety (assement done on a light switch in your office is a good example) and its just full of bureaucracy.
You get stressed out before you even get to the plane by traffic and then through security which have **** for brains half the time.
The EU is one place in the whole world so dont think everyone follows the same mentality, which by the way I find quite funny becaue its usually only the people who dont get out much seem to think it does.
Indonesia is totally different to the EU so they dont follow western world rules! Also the fact that their in so much poverty they cant afford to have Radar and all the fancy gagets most of the EU have.
Health and Safety in Indonesia doesnt exist because they are not worried about getting sued because the poor giy is lucky to even have a job, plus the value of life in poverty run countries cost nothing.
On the other hand if Lion do want EU recognition then they will have to jump through the hoops and not use there usual way of paying someone off to get the job done.
PT6A do you honestly think it will destroy your CV? Have you ever heard of the saying "**** in = **** out" well thats the same with these p2f schemes. If you have a well trained pilot who just needs hours and he then goes for 500 hours then he will get what he wanted and when the job market looks better he will get employment.....if you have a pilot who isnt so good and just thinks money will get him where he needs to be then his chances are alot less.
The airlines dont care who you worked for they just want to see if you met the requirements and that you can pass the assement...Do you honestly think they will say well ok this guy passed our assesment with no problems, hes a good guy but WAIT!!! He flew for a carrier who is banned in the EU ok then lets not give him the job...Get real man it doesnt work like that.
If you honestly think the EU is the place to work then go ahead my friend but soon planes will be dropping out of the sky beause the lack of safety.
Due to MX cost being so high in the EU the airlines now take there planes to eastern european countries where B1 license get given to the guy than him taking years to obtain it. There is less paper work in these countries because most dont fill them out or it just gets lost with the others.
The airlines have now took on the mentality dont fix it unless its broken, where as before it was "ok this will obviously break within the next 100 hours lets change it now". Coming from a family who is in aviation is most sectors pilots and MX its shocking some of the stories you hear about that involve well known EU carriers.
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.... interesting post punk666. That probably explains why I saw a young bule (westener) pilot with 2 bars in a Garuda uniform at Surabaya airport yesterday. I couldn't believe my eyes after I saw his Garuda aircrew ID. He's obviously moved on from Lion Air.
Merpati also has about 20 foreigners about to start a Boeing 737 type rating course through a self-payment scheme and so too Sriwijaya. From what I hear, it's a very much less than what Eagle Jet/Lion Air are charging.
Merpati also has about 20 foreigners about to start a Boeing 737 type rating course through a self-payment scheme and so too Sriwijaya. From what I hear, it's a very much less than what Eagle Jet/Lion Air are charging.
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I thinj you understand the case of a lot of pilot, the subject of topic is people who haven't a lot of hours... And i want to be advised in this case...
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Yes, i know, same requirements than vietnam or others.
But it's not my case.
I would like to have advises and point of view of people who have done a line training in indo or others in asia.
Thanks.
But it's not my case.
I would like to have advises and point of view of people who have done a line training in indo or others in asia.
Thanks.
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I'm trying to help you.... To not waste your money.. You may get lucky but many people think that and don't.
After your 500 hours in the EagleJet program, there really is nothing out there for your level.
You have seen this yourself as you mention VAC etc.
What licence do you have and where do you want to fly in the future?
PT6A
After your 500 hours in the EagleJet program, there really is nothing out there for your level.
You have seen this yourself as you mention VAC etc.
What licence do you have and where do you want to fly in the future?
PT6A
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KLM have cadet pilots at Garuda and KLM TRE's.