Expat pilots : Are they really safe for Indian Aviation ?
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Were all trained by either Air India or Indian Airlines....
Am I right ?
Am I right ?
Most of the pilots from the aforementioned were Captains (early retirees).
The others were locally based First Officers, on which the company had spent a good deal of time and funding, only to find out that many of them were not worth a hill of beans.
The primary problem was...poor attitude.
With a poor attitude, good flying skills are very hard to develop.
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Not surprised
Knowing Air India all training record were most probably pencil whipped...
Also back then all you needed was single engine CPL without an Instrument or multi engine rating to join them
Knowing Air India all training record were most probably pencil whipped...
Also back then all you needed was single engine CPL without an Instrument or multi engine rating to join them
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This debate is absolutely worthless..its wrong to say that all exapats are bad pilots or that all inidains are bad pilots. Most if them are qualified but then there are rotten apples everywhere.
The standards in india arnt great..i have seen training institutes in canada and india..and was surprised to find how pathetic the conditions are here..i had to do some recency flying here and was shocked to find out the instructor didnt know the correct stalling speed!! walk around was unheard of and nobody knew how to do weight and balance. All XC solo flights were actually duals..logged as solos. Overlogging was encouraged. Favouritism was rampant. The only thing good about the school was its maintainance which was better than anywhere in canada. The confidence level of the students was zero in india. I tried correcting the instructor when he was telling me something but ended up hurting his ego and he refused to fly with me calling me names. No critical thinking is encouraged here..just mug up and spit it out.
Expat pilots have alot to offer india and we should pick up knowledge and skills from them..sooner or later they will be replaced..but right now they are required.
Im a low time pilot from india and i should technically hate all the expats but i dont..i actually hate all those FOs who dont want to take command coz they are not confident enough (most of them trained in india).
But a word to expats..no need to curse india..all the west countries i have been to are quite racist..again not every person..but some of them. Plus you are probably working in India coz you didnt get a good enuough job in your own country and have no moral right to say anything against inida or any other country you are working in.
Besides if an Indian pilot was involved in a major crash in your country..im sure the press would have reacted in the same way. Coz the fact is all the countries of the west are extremely paranoid..i im telling you this based on my personal exp.
So i request everybody to stop this debate right here before any more people get angry and call each other names.
Peace
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The standards in india arnt great..i have seen training institutes in canada and india..and was surprised to find how pathetic the conditions are here..i had to do some recency flying here and was shocked to find out the instructor didnt know the correct stalling speed!! walk around was unheard of and nobody knew how to do weight and balance. All XC solo flights were actually duals..logged as solos. Overlogging was encouraged. Favouritism was rampant. The only thing good about the school was its maintainance which was better than anywhere in canada. The confidence level of the students was zero in india. I tried correcting the instructor when he was telling me something but ended up hurting his ego and he refused to fly with me calling me names. No critical thinking is encouraged here..just mug up and spit it out.
Expat pilots have alot to offer india and we should pick up knowledge and skills from them..sooner or later they will be replaced..but right now they are required.
Im a low time pilot from india and i should technically hate all the expats but i dont..i actually hate all those FOs who dont want to take command coz they are not confident enough (most of them trained in india).
But a word to expats..no need to curse india..all the west countries i have been to are quite racist..again not every person..but some of them. Plus you are probably working in India coz you didnt get a good enuough job in your own country and have no moral right to say anything against inida or any other country you are working in.
Besides if an Indian pilot was involved in a major crash in your country..im sure the press would have reacted in the same way. Coz the fact is all the countries of the west are extremely paranoid..i im telling you this based on my personal exp.
So i request everybody to stop this debate right here before any more people get angry and call each other names.
Peace
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Last edited by DJ Flyboy; 10th Jan 2011 at 01:26.
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a mature and well thought out post, DJ Flyboy.
just one point though. a pilot who has the experiance of flying in several different countries, weather patterns, terrain, atc's....etc, is definitely more complete than one in his own backyard, occasionally visiting foreign cities.
its a pity that garbage like alphabravocharlie, who is possibly a marginal pilot, exist in this profession and start posts like this.
in any profession, if you are top drawer, you dont need to advertise. but you know something is not right, when to cover your own defiencies, you try to pull others down by virtue of race, nationality, sex, colour, or statistics.
just one point though. a pilot who has the experiance of flying in several different countries, weather patterns, terrain, atc's....etc, is definitely more complete than one in his own backyard, occasionally visiting foreign cities.
its a pity that garbage like alphabravocharlie, who is possibly a marginal pilot, exist in this profession and start posts like this.
in any profession, if you are top drawer, you dont need to advertise. but you know something is not right, when to cover your own defiencies, you try to pull others down by virtue of race, nationality, sex, colour, or statistics.
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i have many friends from india who are of high intellect and unquestioned integrity. none of them will ever start a thread as blatantly stupid as this: can the sidestick see the color of your skin? 
