KAL and the uni degree requirement for FO

[batoboe]

Heard a rumour about a pilot being called for selection even without uni degree... Any truth?

By the way, just to add few points for discussion:
What is the sense of requiring a uni degree and a relatively low experience (1000 hours and 300 on type) wouldn't make more sense to just increase the hours if they have too many applicants? Are there really so many qualified pilots on the market with a uni degree too?

Do they realize that such a requirement translates into very different ones depending on the countries the pilot come from? Some countries have 12 years basic education (4 years high school) and 2 years uni degrees, some countries in europe have 13 years basic education (5 years highs school) and the shortest uni degree is 3 years, which means people from these countries need to study an additional 2 years in order to fullfil that requirement!

[batoboe]

thank for your comments flycold
yes the ad is very clear, what is not clear to me is the reason behind this requirement. First of all they don't require any uni degree for the captainsand initially they didn't even for first officers, they introduced this requirement recently. Second: what is the meaning of requiring ANY uni degree without requiring a scientific or aeronautical subject?
According to their present requirement a F/O with 1000 hrs total, 300 hrs on type and a 2 years uni degree in submarine archeology or medieval music can apply, while one with 3000hrs on type and a full grade high school diploma in sciences or aeronautics can't apply.
Usually this absurd requirements are used when an airline only needs very few pilots and they are inundated with applications so they want to decimate the number of applications in a rough way. Is this the case with KAL?

[ItsAjob]

Get a google search degree.
Takes as long as the postage takes to come!

[thornycactus]

Originally Posted by batoboe

Do they realize that such a requirement translates into very different ones depending on the countries the pilot come from? Some countries have 12 years basic education (4 years high school) and 2 years uni degrees, some countries in europe have 13 years basic education (5 years highs school) and the shortest uni degree is 3 years, which means people from these countries need to study an additional 2 years in order to fullfil that requirement!

Let me touch a little bit...

University's undergraduate Degree usually 4 years (with Honour Degree) or 3 years (for non-honour) education. Now, if a application has good credits exemption, it may takes as much as 2 year to complete for the 4 years course! Ultimately, it is still a 4 years degree course! There's no doubt it.

However, employers care about what type of 4-years University (or eqivalent tertiary) education but they do not care how long you complete. Understand?

For instance, one applicant took 2 years to complete a BEng (UK) (in that case is 3 years degree programme), employer will consider.

If an applicant took 2 years to complete a 4 years MEng (UK) or 4 years BEng (S'pore)(Hons) Degree, it will still be counted towards completing the 4 years Degree! Do you understand?

[thornycactus]

Touch-on about Education

"First Officers must hold a College or University Degree/Diploma (minimum 2 year course)."

U.S. State recognised 2 years Associate Degree or Hong Kong Associate Degree (offered by HKU, HKUST, CUHK, HKBU, HKPoly) are well recognised world wide.

Also, Singapore offers 3 years "tough" Polytechnic Diploma and many employers consider. Believe it or not, Australia's TAFE Diploma or Malaysia University's Diploma is well below Singapore's standard. In fact, Singapore's (Government) 3 years Polytechnic Diploma standard are much much tougher than Associate Degrees .

[thornycactus]

All About Education

Originally Posted by batoboe

Heard a rumour about a pilot being called for selection even without uni degree... Any truth?

If a pilot with wonderful flying hours with suitable type-rating there is no doubt to consider hiring him!

Now, if you are are the boss, tell me, are you going to hire a Degree holder with no type rating low hour pilot or a 10+2 education 10 000 jet flying hours pilot?

Originally Posted by batoboe

What is the sense of requiring a uni degree and a relatively low experience (1000 hours and 300 on type) wouldn't make more sense to just increase the hours if they have too many applicants?

You have to place yourself in an employer's shoes. They think of long term.

Originally Posted by batoboe

Are there really so many qualified pilots on the market with a uni degree too?

To answer you, "yes"!

In Singapore, there are NTU/NUS/SMU Degree holder graduates with pilot licence. Just that these guys are not type rated. In Taiwan, there are many Degree holder graduates with pilot licence too!

In India is totally different. Majority are licensed young kids, arrogant, with full imagination about commerical flying.

[batoboe]

torny i think you are missing my point.
With the school system of my country if you want to attend university you MUST first complete AT LEAST 13 YEARS of school, then once you are are at uni THE SHORTEST COURSE LASTS 3 YEARS. There is nothing like a 2 years uni degree here, the shortest way to get any uni degree is 3 years. So the shortest way for me to fullfil that requirements is to get a 3 years uni degree (i.e. BSc) after 13 years of school, a total of 16 years os study, while a citizen from many other countries can get a 2 years uni degree after 12 years of school, which means that he/she can fullfil that requirement with 14 years of studies, 2 years less than me.
understand??

[batoboe]

If a pilot with wonderful flying hours with suitable type-rating there is no doubt to consider hiring him!

You have to place yourself in an employer's shoes. They think of long term.

With all due respect thorny you seem to have no clue about the topic of this discussion. I'm trying to discuss KAL recruitment policy not looking for advice on their behalf about how to do the recruitmen. Secondly It's a contract job with no chances for upgrade so nothing long term about it.

[aditya104]

In India is totally different. Majority are licensed young kids, arrogant, with full imagination about commerical flying

Agree with u on that. Would also like to add-India has some intelligent, level-headed young men with licenses. guess 60% of the Indian applicants would have a Uni degree.

Q. Would an airline give any weightage to a uni degree not of science stream? a degree with nothing to do with aviation.

[thornycactus]

All About Education

Originally Posted by batoboe

torny i think you are missing my point.

My post #5 says, touch-on alittle bit.

Sharing abit more with others about education.

[thornycactus]

Originally Posted by batoboe

... ...understand??

I can understand that you are raising unfairness.

This is your weird country education system. Blame your government, blame on your nationality.

[B737NG]

Hello All,

Do you see the response and comment from Thornycactus? That is the way Koreans respond and argue when you start a discussion about the issue. Total missing the subject and then blaming yourself for it. Ignorant as usual.

Why do you care to work there anyhow. It is like it is and if you do not fit into the requirement then there is nothing you can do about. Common sense is not available, not only in the vocabulary.........

You think "Western" rational and effective, that does not excist East of the Baikal Lake and the Great Wall.............

Fly safe and land happy

NG

[rotar]

It's a Korean Immigration requirement to hold the degree so as to obtain the correct visa.

[batoboe]

It's a Korean Immigration requirement to hold the degree so as to obtain the correct visa.

thanks for the info, very strange that this requirement is valid only for first officers and not for captains tough.