KAL recruiting... Really???
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KAL recruiting... Really???
Check the banner above. Is it Rishworth or Parc or perhaps Best? Sorry, Best are in the sin- bin now. Seems they called Koreanair's bluff and all who are contracted by them will not be doing so soon- another loss of experience for the carrier. This just adds to the revolving door scenario at Kimchi central. Despite about six expats a month joining them in recent years they have less than they had a year ago. That door is well oiled here. Many Ozzies lured from the sandpit, having replanted their families in Australia, are now finding out Krudd tore up 23AG- so big tax bills loom. Source will dry up there quickly as the Canadians discovered some years ago and left in droves. Remedy was to give everyone an extra 1000-2000 a month. Didn't work- they kept leaving. KAL states they need 150 expat pilots a year for the next 5 years but if they keep hemorrhaging them, that number will need to be revised. Expat FO's also now seeing the light and leaving in droves. Why would a professional want to put themselves in a position where they had no career path, were not valued or listened to or respected and treated like sh*t at the same time observing the pathetic performance of some of their superiors. Conversely there is no regular source of national FO's any more after the boss got the sh%ts with one of the unions and shut down the company sponsored flying college because it became a breeding ground for unionists! In addition the Air Force recently added 5 years to the compulsory service period for its pilots. All this against a backdrop of industrial relations that is at pressure cooker levels. Company has an agreement with the unions as to a cap on the number of expats which it has already exceeded and has signalled will triple!! Latest trendy way for expats to leave is to just not come back to work after home leave. Management need to learn about the idea of an exit interview (if they can catch them). One brave sole did the midnight dash but had the fortitude to write to them as to why. Subjects included were; FOQA being used as a punishment tool; significantly lower salary versus other Asian airlines; devisive encouragement of a snitch mentality whereby FO's report on captains and the no First Class seat policy for commuting expats. Why is KAL continually recruiting??? mmmmm
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So how is the tax situation regarding Australians. If you have residency stamped in your passport, and the company says "local" tax is payed, are there any implications if you are not in OZ for more than 181 days?
I hear different stories, and wondered if anyone had had actual dealings with the ATO in this regard.
If Aussie tax is payable, then with the weak US dollar, the salary is a complete joke considering the sacrifice of being away from family.
Evy
I hear different stories, and wondered if anyone had had actual dealings with the ATO in this regard.
If Aussie tax is payable, then with the weak US dollar, the salary is a complete joke considering the sacrifice of being away from family.
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Also, as you stay at a Hotel in Seoul, would the ATO consider that your "place of residence" if investigated?
If there are any Australians working in KAL on a commuting contract, could you please share your experience with the tax situation.
Thanks.
If there are any Australians working in KAL on a commuting contract, could you please share your experience with the tax situation.
Thanks.
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Oz tax
Yes the salary is now complete joke if you pay oz tax which you have to. Since Krudd changed 23AG there is no way out of it unless you have an abode or residence abroad and you conduct your normal life there. Hotel rooms are not normally considered as either much as a mess or barracks in a mining camp or on an oilrig or ship are not either. Add to that the pain of the exchange rate and it becomes untenable. If you are in the Middle East stay there.
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"Grass is Greener" syndrome persists everywhere eh? The Sandpit drivers, usually of a few tribes, loathe their Arab masters and want to make a beeline for Korean & Vietnam only to find out that they were probably better off in the Pit!! 
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I flew home from Asia on KAL and sat next to an expat Capt commuting home. If you can get hired into the left seat it's great.. but to go in as a FO..... bad idea. He had some poor things to say about the treatment of expat FOs, but couldn't say enough about the maintenance and how well the equipment was maintained.
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KAL maintenance
Well, the only reason why KAL maintain their planes well stem from the fact that their maintenance, maintenance control personnel and CASA airworthiness HAVE TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS INTERPRETING THE PROVISIONS IN THE MEL AND CDL. Their level of English and general disconnect between the real world and virtual world make dispatching planes with defects fraught with risks of misinterpretation leading to severe violations of their OPSPECS and AOC. The real news of these violations leading to very close calls are kept tightly controlled and not many people are aware of it. There were several cases where the pilots, maintenance and dispatch had absolutely no clue as to what the provisions in the MEL entailed and aircrafts were dispatched in total violation of their AFM and opspecs. When CASA was cautioned by CAA and FAA, the management decided that maintenance try to keep the planes free from deferred defects as much as possible.
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from Chuck Canuck.....
KAL maintenance
Well, the only reason why KAL maintain their planes well stem from the fact that their maintenance, maintenance control personnel and CASA airworthiness HAVE TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS INTERPRETING THE PROVISIONS IN THE MEL AND CDL. Their level of English and general disconnect between the real world and virtual world make dispatching planes with defects fraught with risks of misinterpretation leading to severe violations of their OPSPECS and AOC. The real news of these violations leading to very close calls are kept tightly controlled and not many people are aware of it. There were several cases where the pilots, maintenance and dispatch had absolutely no clue as to what the provisions in the MEL entailed and aircrafts were dispatched in total violation of their AFM and opspecs. When CASA was cautioned by CAA and FAA, the management decided that maintenance try to keep the planes free from deferred defects as much as possible.
Sorry my fellow Canadian, I have to disagree with your posting. I have experienced no difficulties interpreting MEL/CDL items with Korean pilots or maintenance staff. KAL takes pride in operating defect free aircraft and maintains a large supply of spares for all types in Seoul (ICN/GMP) to help keep them that way. Korean Air's attention to detail in the appearance and mechanical condition of their aircraft should be the standard that all airlines maintain.
However, I have had lengthy conversations via cell/sat phones in the past with Canadian and European airline maintenance staff where english was their first language and no one could agree on what relief the MEL could provide and no spare parts in stock because of costs.
bd
KAL maintenance
Well, the only reason why KAL maintain their planes well stem from the fact that their maintenance, maintenance control personnel and CASA airworthiness HAVE TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS INTERPRETING THE PROVISIONS IN THE MEL AND CDL. Their level of English and general disconnect between the real world and virtual world make dispatching planes with defects fraught with risks of misinterpretation leading to severe violations of their OPSPECS and AOC. The real news of these violations leading to very close calls are kept tightly controlled and not many people are aware of it. There were several cases where the pilots, maintenance and dispatch had absolutely no clue as to what the provisions in the MEL entailed and aircrafts were dispatched in total violation of their AFM and opspecs. When CASA was cautioned by CAA and FAA, the management decided that maintenance try to keep the planes free from deferred defects as much as possible.
Sorry my fellow Canadian, I have to disagree with your posting. I have experienced no difficulties interpreting MEL/CDL items with Korean pilots or maintenance staff. KAL takes pride in operating defect free aircraft and maintains a large supply of spares for all types in Seoul (ICN/GMP) to help keep them that way. Korean Air's attention to detail in the appearance and mechanical condition of their aircraft should be the standard that all airlines maintain.
However, I have had lengthy conversations via cell/sat phones in the past with Canadian and European airline maintenance staff where english was their first language and no one could agree on what relief the MEL could provide and no spare parts in stock because of costs.
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They are actively recruiting across all aircraft at the moment with generous T's & C's. The A330 is being particularly well recruited for at the moment. Four recently retired Aer Lingus captains joined here over the past few months. Feedback is good in terms of lifestyle, training, rostering etc. Seoul is a fun city too for those younger recruits and very international relative to other places in asia.
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Gotta agree with Chuck; I pick up an aircraft downline after it was dispatched from ICN with a deferred items. The MEL relief was wrongly applied and the outbound crew were lucky not to have another failure on their 13 hour journey or else they would have been swimming in the Pacific.
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Give me a break. I am not expecting any kind of response from the initial posting by Calvin Hops......unless of course he wants to show us more about his character.
Anyone who makes this kind of comment about their own airline's operation on a public forum better be on their way to another job. As we all know as Captain, if you accept an aircraft for dispatch (I picked up an aircraft downline after it was dispatched from ICN with a deferred items), its your responsibility to understand the conditions of any MEL item.
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Anyone who makes this kind of comment about their own airline's operation on a public forum better be on their way to another job. As we all know as Captain, if you accept an aircraft for dispatch (I picked up an aircraft downline after it was dispatched from ICN with a deferred items), its your responsibility to understand the conditions of any MEL item.
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Hi!
I would apply at KAL, but too old for FO, and not experienced enough for Capt.
If they raised/eliminated the 45 year limit for FOs that would help.
cliff
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I would apply at KAL, but too old for FO, and not experienced enough for Capt.
If they raised/eliminated the 45 year limit for FOs that would help.
cliff
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Blues...why does he have to show more of his character? Whats the attack for?
The post is logical and not negative. In fact it would be good management in a company that has so many ESL pilots. I have many experiences with this kind of thing...
I once had my asian partner tell me that a particular switch had to be off because MEL said in must be "operable". And many more situations like this.
The post is logical and not negative. In fact it would be good management in a company that has so many ESL pilots. I have many experiences with this kind of thing...
I once had my asian partner tell me that a particular switch had to be off because MEL said in must be "operable". And many more situations like this.
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bd, I said I picked up an aircraft downline...true. However i only accepted it after getting maintenance control and the outstation mechanic to apply the necessary procedures.
Are you trying hard to ingratiate yourself to the KAL management, gain brownie points and give rk a run for his money?
The way you acted here, you are probably helping them to track me down and get me on my way to another job.
Are you trying hard to ingratiate yourself to the KAL management, gain brownie points and give rk a run for his money?
The way you acted here, you are probably helping them to track me down and get me on my way to another job.
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"Grass is Greener" syndrome persists everywhere eh? The Sandpit drivers, usually of a few tribes, loathe their Arab masters and want to make a beeline for Korean & Vietnam only to find out that they were probably better off in the Pit!!
Don't know about Korea but your assumption is dead wrong for Vietnam - MUCH better than raghead-central
Don't know about Korea but your assumption is dead wrong for Vietnam - MUCH better than raghead-central
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bd, I said I picked up an aircraft downline...true. However i only accepted it after getting maintenance control and the outstation mechanic to apply the necessary procedures.
Good. As Captain you did the correct thing and operated your flight properly.
Are you trying hard to ingratiate yourself to the KAL management, gain brownie points and give rk a run for his money?
I have held enough management positions to know that I never want to do it again. So that would be a big 'No'.
The way you acted here, you are probably helping them to track me down and get me on my way to another job.
Not interested in tracking you down or anything else. I just believe you should give some more thought before you air your dirty laundry on a world wide website.
Peace out.
bd
Good. As Captain you did the correct thing and operated your flight properly.
Are you trying hard to ingratiate yourself to the KAL management, gain brownie points and give rk a run for his money?
I have held enough management positions to know that I never want to do it again. So that would be a big 'No'.
The way you acted here, you are probably helping them to track me down and get me on my way to another job.
Not interested in tracking you down or anything else. I just believe you should give some more thought before you air your dirty laundry on a world wide website.
Peace out.
bd
Last edited by blues deville; 27th May 2010 at 16:13.