KAL recruiting... Really???
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Wow, you certainly displayed the " mighty " mindset of a management type.
That's a bit condescending just like the management type so prevalent amongst our ranks. Sure you had enough of being in the management?
The way you mounted your first attack on CH reminds me of so many arsy management type who are just waiting like vultures to pounce. You might have dropped your management positions but you certainly still have those killer instincts.
Good. As Captain you did the correct thing and operated you flight properly.
The way you mounted your first attack on CH reminds me of so many arsy management type who are just waiting like vultures to pounce. You might have dropped your management positions but you certainly still have those killer instincts.
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Arsy management type? Thanks. Never been called that before but I suppose you are entitled to your opinion, however, in this case you'd be wrong.
Let's review.
CH first mentions receiving an aircraft dispatched incorrectly with an MEL item and "swimming in the Pacific". He follows up with "only accepted it after getting maintenance control and the outstation mechanic to apply the necessary procedures". So if it was only a procedural MEL item and no part or component replaced at the outstation, what could have happened to put the aircraft in the water? He's got me curious but now he's thinking twice about telling us more.
So a very dramatic initial statement reduced down to an "M" procedure which apparently involved ESL staff in Maintenance Control and a contract engineer signing out the aircraft. So I guess that's all we are going to know about his saga.
In closing, anytime you want to compare notes regarding managing fleets of large aircraft and the pilots who fly them on several continents around the globe, give me a PM and I will buy the beer.
I have a trunk full of stories. Some funny, some sad, some incredibly stupid and some absolutely brilliant.
Once again, peace out.
bd
Let's review.
CH first mentions receiving an aircraft dispatched incorrectly with an MEL item and "swimming in the Pacific". He follows up with "only accepted it after getting maintenance control and the outstation mechanic to apply the necessary procedures". So if it was only a procedural MEL item and no part or component replaced at the outstation, what could have happened to put the aircraft in the water? He's got me curious but now he's thinking twice about telling us more.
So a very dramatic initial statement reduced down to an "M" procedure which apparently involved ESL staff in Maintenance Control and a contract engineer signing out the aircraft. So I guess that's all we are going to know about his saga.
In closing, anytime you want to compare notes regarding managing fleets of large aircraft and the pilots who fly them on several continents around the globe, give me a PM and I will buy the beer.
I have a trunk full of stories. Some funny, some sad, some incredibly stupid and some absolutely brilliant.
Once again, peace out.
bd
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The beer goes to bill and Calvin...procedures might have involved all sorts of maintenance actions, terms used quite loosely.
I hope Calvin doesn't take the bait and reveal more...I can smell " management " tricks here. Be forewarned or you will indeed be looking for a job elsewhere. From what I know, the Koreans are pretty unforgiving. Foreign pilots get sacked for the smallest infraction, without due process for appeal.
I hope Calvin doesn't take the bait and reveal more...I can smell " management " tricks here. Be forewarned or you will indeed be looking for a job elsewhere. From what I know, the Koreans are pretty unforgiving. Foreign pilots get sacked for the smallest infraction, without due process for appeal.
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Any help would be nice
Hi all,
The insight on KAL is good to know and I can see there are a lot of things you have to deal with.
Although I would still welcome the chance to fly for them. I have nine years in the industry in commercial operations and over 6,500hrs flying light turbo-props. I still long for that day where I will be flying Jets! Purely through circumstance and missed opportunities that I find myself in this situation. Unfortunately with a family in tow it’s only getting harder to make a Buck (Pound) especially in this level of flying and still support the family.
And yes in this level of flying you have to be prepared to put up with the B.S. i.e. Load your own bags, be a flight attendant, as well as wash the aircraft (last one was a joke, although I don’t want to give the boss any ideas)
Long story short with all negative stories that I’m hearing in this post , it couldn’t be any worse than where I am now, so is there anyone out there willing to provide me with a point of contact so that I may email a resume to KAL, or maybe another company that is hiring in Asia.
If you could pm it would be much appreciated
PS. I do not hold any type ratings and just have 120hrs in light jets (hawker 400)
Good luck to you all.
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The insight on KAL is good to know and I can see there are a lot of things you have to deal with.
Although I would still welcome the chance to fly for them. I have nine years in the industry in commercial operations and over 6,500hrs flying light turbo-props. I still long for that day where I will be flying Jets! Purely through circumstance and missed opportunities that I find myself in this situation. Unfortunately with a family in tow it’s only getting harder to make a Buck (Pound) especially in this level of flying and still support the family.
And yes in this level of flying you have to be prepared to put up with the B.S. i.e. Load your own bags, be a flight attendant, as well as wash the aircraft (last one was a joke, although I don’t want to give the boss any ideas)
Long story short with all negative stories that I’m hearing in this post , it couldn’t be any worse than where I am now, so is there anyone out there willing to provide me with a point of contact so that I may email a resume to KAL, or maybe another company that is hiring in Asia.
If you could pm it would be much appreciated
PS. I do not hold any type ratings and just have 120hrs in light jets (hawker 400)
Good luck to you all.
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Hear, hear...do I sense an Oz/Canuck piss up here?
True, procedures are terms quite loosely used and can mean a whole host of maintenance work besides procedural measures. Only a nit picking and legal eagle will pounce onto this use of the term procedures. I suspect Calvin used the term loosely and he gonna get whipped for that. Obviously Calvin has no management background!
True, procedures are terms quite loosely used and can mean a whole host of maintenance work besides procedural measures. Only a nit picking and legal eagle will pounce onto this use of the term procedures. I suspect Calvin used the term loosely and he gonna get whipped for that. Obviously Calvin has no management background!
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Oz/Canuck piss up? I hope not. Simply trying to make the point that CH's comments might be considered inappropriate in an open forum such as this. There is usually an internal process to report this kind of incident with your airline rather than make a public announcement here on pprune. To each his own.
CH is apparently is not going to comment further and that is fine. Case closed and lets move on shall we? It appears that CH has.
I think we have railroaded this thread long enough.
bd
CH is apparently is not going to comment further and that is fine. Case closed and lets move on shall we? It appears that CH has.
I think we have railroaded this thread long enough.
bd
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If blues initial reaction to Calvin's post is anything to go by, it is indeed scary if he shares his management skills and techniques with KAL management! RK, watch out!
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It may vary from agency to agency but should be pretty close to what I have put below
Expect around 9500USD with no insurance and between USD9200-9300 with insurance. There are 2 or 3 Insurance options, each one has pro's and con's.
Per diems vary depending on your flying. More domestic means more Won. More international means more USD per diem.
At the moment mainly domestic with very few international layovers so around 800000-900000 Won and 70-100USD in Per Diem if your lucky! These are monthly figures.
Showbiz
Expect around 9500USD with no insurance and between USD9200-9300 with insurance. There are 2 or 3 Insurance options, each one has pro's and con's.
Per diems vary depending on your flying. More domestic means more Won. More international means more USD per diem.
At the moment mainly domestic with very few international layovers so around 800000-900000 Won and 70-100USD in Per Diem if your lucky! These are monthly figures.
Showbiz
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Could someone please post some information on NTR-DEC A330 Captain openings as well as interview procedures, medical check, sim check.
How is the commute from North America?
How many day's do you actually get at home?
What if your flight back to work is canceled. Will you be fined or fired?
Do you have to do a license conversion?
Training process and if there are any breaks to go home for a spell.
Can you get hired and push out your training date.
Anything to say about Cambridge vs. Rish or Park?
Any other information is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
How is the commute from North America?
How many day's do you actually get at home?
What if your flight back to work is canceled. Will you be fined or fired?
Do you have to do a license conversion?
Training process and if there are any breaks to go home for a spell.
Can you get hired and push out your training date.
Anything to say about Cambridge vs. Rish or Park?
Any other information is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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If you contact any of the agencies you have mentioned you can get all of the information required. The A330 routes and layovers are very popular with the foreign KAL crews.
Good luck.
bd
Good luck.
bd
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KAL just checked out the first foreign 777 FO and there are three others in the pipeline as well. All of them are on five year contracts with various crewing agencies..
What makes this job manageble is your designated base. If you are commuting to the nearest KAL destination so you can commute to ICN, it gets costly with extra hotel rooms and expenses. You can also lose time at home by ensuring you are in the departure airport area a day early.
If you are from NA, you'd want to live close to LAX. SFO, SEA. LAS, DFW, ORD, IAD, YYZ, YVR or ATL for the commuting part to work for you.
I have a 30 minute drive to my designated KAL base and I have no complaints about my monthly schedules.
If you meet the qualifications for the 777 FO you should apply. They will be eager to interview you.
Good luck.
bd
What makes this job manageble is your designated base. If you are commuting to the nearest KAL destination so you can commute to ICN, it gets costly with extra hotel rooms and expenses. You can also lose time at home by ensuring you are in the departure airport area a day early.
If you are from NA, you'd want to live close to LAX. SFO, SEA. LAS, DFW, ORD, IAD, YYZ, YVR or ATL for the commuting part to work for you.
I have a 30 minute drive to my designated KAL base and I have no complaints about my monthly schedules.
If you meet the qualifications for the 777 FO you should apply. They will be eager to interview you.
Good luck.
bd
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Hey Calvin, does your incident has any bearing on the recent " misapplication of MEL " hoo ha? 
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Too bad Calvin; had you been involved in that particular " MEL " incident I could have dobbed you in for a plum job as adviser to SVP/MVP or even be selected as assistant SVP! RK would surely be watching warily!!!
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KAL tax
How much tax is taken out at source? Considering a move if there is a chance of reducing my UK tax liability through some kind of ' Taxation Treaty'. Any info much appreciated.
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Ntr Dec A330 Question
Hi guys, I have been reading your comments about KAL, and was wondering if any of you have the info about the average experience of the NTR DEC that got hired into the 330, comming from the 320 FAM, they said a minimum of 1500 hrs, but that is a "minimum".... thanks!!! 