DGCA

[Sonam]

Hi,

I am in need of some help here. I did my training from Embry-riddle 142 program and i had no clue that in 5 years i would had to do conversion to an Indian dgca license because i started my flight training in the year 2005.

I have come to a point now that i have appeared for the dgca exams - composite and air law - It was easy but I screwed up myself with lack of time. There was hard work put in, lack of time for review killed my chance as i had arrived late from USA.

I currently work as a flight instructor at a flight school in northern florida. I have about 520 hours currently and the problem lies here in. I have my cfi, cfii and mei ratings and to do the indian conversion exam, i need to put in my hours in my indian log book. How do we put those hours based on MORE than what is required in the requirement of Indian CPL Multi Engine IR License?

IF i had to do my recency, after clearing the exams, do i have to fly with another instructor to do the recency as it would make no sense to that if i am already an instructor myself?

i do not have the 50 hours solo cross country as under PART FAA 142, we get our CPL Single engine and Multi Engine in under 180 hours or plus as it is a university based flight training program. This leaves me with 25 hours or so cross country time dual and solo. I have about 12 hours of solo cross country time. My PIC time is about 400 + hours with about 300 PIC Single Engine and 100 PIC multi engine.

What do I do or what should I put in my indian log book for PIC Time requirements for Commercial Pilot License?

Thanks and any suggestions will be really really helpful

Pulkeshin

[silent_scream]

IF i had to do my recency, after clearing the exams, do i have to fly with another instructor to do the recency as it would make no sense to that if i am already an instructor myself?

There is no question of sense. Even a Airbus 380 Examiner has to fly with another examiner to prove his skills.

How do we put those hours based on MORE than what is required in the requirement of Indian CPL Multi Engine IR License?

If you do not have the experience, then you'd probably have to fly to get it.

Go through the Schedule 2, Section J and Section O. They have all the requirements written down for you.

SECTION A GENERAL

Do let us know your decision.
All the Best.

[shanx]

@sonam

As I see it, you have only two options buddy :

1. Rent an aircraft and log enough solo cross country time to meet the requirements.

2. Doctor your logbook to meet the Indian requirements.

[VIMANMAN]

Sonam

I agree with Shanx, and say go with choice Number 2......

The money you will spend on renting an A/C to get your required hours will be far greater than choice number 2 + a bit of "chai pani".....

In India Honesty doesnt pay......now "chai pani"....that a different story.....

[Sonam]

Now can these hours for Solo Cross Country be logged as PIC Cross Country as Indian Log books i hear have no definition of solo.

So PIC Cross Country in other words- can I as an instructor teaching private pilot rating students log that as PIC because the student cannot log as PIC unless Solo or until they are Private Pilot Rated, so someone has to log that PIC time right??

Does anyone know of anyone in India that can help with the RT 1st exam notes? I can pay for the shipping cost. Does anyone have any Composite notes of Dr. Seth or Surinder Singh too. Anyone who can help me, I can reimburse them with recency requirements in Florida or in anywhere possible.

Thanks again -

P.S - Ya, one has to prove their skills even if they are an examiner - Surely Truly

[shanx]

Now can these hours for Solo Cross Country be logged as PIC Cross Country as Indian Log books i hear have no definition of solo.

There is a definition of solo flight time in the Indian regs !
http://dgca.nic.in/airrule/rule3.PDF
(51) "Solo flight time" means flight time during which a pilot is the sole occupant of an
aircraft;

So PIC Cross Country in other words- can I as an instructor teaching private pilot rating students log that as PIC because the student cannot log as PIC unless Solo or until they are Private Pilot Rated, so someone has to log that PIC time right??

Yes. If you are teaching a student working towards a Private certificate then you log the flight time under DUAL GIVEN and under PIC columns.

[Sonam]

Does Anyone know of any Canadian School on the East Coast that helps FAA pilots get that Canadian CPL and RT (FAA to Canada Conversion) so I can use that to skip the second round of RT and do the first round only.

I also know that it is valid for 3 years if I do that process.

Did anyone do this process before.

Any information will help. You all have been very kind by the way for helping me out. Thanks

[IndAir967]

Shall I give u an small advise if u dont mind..
Dont go back to india with an CPL .. instead of wasting time doing the procedures to get an indian CPL .. get ur FAA ATP and convert it into Indian ATPL. That s the only way that ll even let u hope of finding an employment in india..

Cheers
IAC967

[jimmygill]

Canadian CPL and FRTOL will allow you to skip both part A and Part B exams for RT in India.

Ind air has a fine advice, if you can get FAA ATPL, go ahead thats best.
Canadian ATPL is even better than FAA for easy conversion.

[weapon-x]

hi

Getting an Canadian ATPL is the best ....

[Sonam]

Canadian ATPL

Why is that so?

Do you do less exams in india or no exams at all?

Which exams would those be for conversion?

[shanx]

There's no provision in the CARs for a "direct" conversion of foreign ATPL to Indian ATPL.

However, with a valid and current ICAO ATPL, you'll need to clear only two papers (Air Regs and ATPL-Composite), instead of the 4 papers (Air Regs, Radio Aids & Inst, Nav, Met).

If you have an Indian CPL already, you need'nt appear for the Regs paper again for ATPL.

P.S The advice given by Indair and jimmygill has more to do with the dismal job scenario in India for fresh CPL holders in Airlines and GA.

[Sonam]

Thanks for the information everybody.

Looking at my hours, i have around 860ish single engine time and 283 multi engine time, but again none of these will help even if i have my indian cpl, because i really do not know anyone seriously in the airline industry and it is all about contacts..

Same applies to bollywood i guess lol...

Aap kissi ko jaano tab kuch ho sakta hain, warna kuch nahin

[thornycactus]

Side Matter

Originally Posted by sonam

I currently work as a flight instructor at a flight school in northern florida. I have about 520 hours currently and the problem lies here in.

i do not have the 50 hours solo cross country

My goodness! I can't imagine a CFI/CFII/MEI with 520hours without 50 pic solo cross-country hours!

Your future employer do not care which part of flight training program you came from. I can bet you that your employer will be fainted!

Originally Posted by sonam

I currently work as a flight instructor at a flight school in northern florida. I have about 520 hours currently and the problem lies here in. I have my cfi, cfii and mei ratings

In no time, you will be swamped by tons of queries asking you how you can land yourself a flight instructor job in U.S.

There are many Indian flight instructors with FAA F.I certificate looking forward to work in U.S. I am not surprise, if they are willing to work for free.

[jimmygill]

My goodness! I can't imagine a CFI/CFII/MEI with 520hours without 50 pic solo cross-country hours!

FAA CPL requirement for SOLO flight can be met within 20 hrs of solo flight.
Why should a poor CFI/CFII be flying SOLO?

FAA definition of cross country for CPL is different from DGCA, definition of cross country.

One can have a full fledged FAA ATPL but still not meet cross country requirements for DGCA unless one planned it properly.

[Sonam]

cactus

Mr cactus,

That is because our program was done in a PART 142 Program where we get our commercial license in 45 hrs where solo PIC is done about 20 hours from Private to Commercial License.

All the hours you are talking about are those who were exposed to 141 or 61 Regulations.

So yes i have more than cross country PIC hours, but i do not have SOLO Time as DGCA defined it as for cross country. " Solo " means alone right. So no.

[thornycactus]

jimmygill, don't get me wrong. I understand DGCA x-country requirement.

My previous post has nothing to do with DGCA.

I am taken aback by his solo x-country time he had.

[Sonam]

Re cactus

Also at Embry-Riddle, because it is a Part 142 Program, there is a couple of also other indian instructors who are from India who have been done their major and did their flying here.

We come on F1 visa status allowing us to work for 1-3 years on OPT Status after graduation.

A lot of your " other CFI Bloomers" are those who did their Part 61 or Part 141 Programs and came on M1 visa or J1 visas. J1 is expired and M1 does not allow you to work in the USA.

F1 visa - allows you to work, Mr. Cactus - you should be very familiar with that rule and that answers all the others who want to know.

Me and the other two indian instructors started flying way back even before you all came into the market. We started in 2004/2005 when you had not smelt becoming a "Pilot". Leave alone sitting on a 320 or 737. We saw the market come and gone " Indian Demand" - The Rise and Fall of Indian Aviation

Sonam

[thornycactus]

Nothing concerning DGCA in this post

Sonam, I understood that you came from Part 142 program.

My concern is after you passed out from Part 142 program, you obtained 520hours without >50hrs of solo x-country time, is amazing. Especially you are CFI/CFII/MEI.

However, if sombody mention he just came out from Part 142 program with less than 250 flying hours, I can understand.

Base on my experience, any employer or aviation authority or air-operator usually does not care which FAA Part you passed out from.

Unless, you are a ROC national, it is a preferably requsite for the pilots to enter their national carrier. Before I end, ALL foreign low-time pilots (with FAA Part 141/142) are unwelcome.

[cyrilroy21]

@thornycactus

I hope you understand the difference between "50 hours of solo x-country" and

"50 hours of PIC x-country" dont you ?