questions for chinese airlines
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questions for chinese airlines
hey,
I am an american currently undergoing my flight training in florida.
I am very interested in flying for an airline in china such as air china and etc...
Would I as an american, be considered for hire as a direct entry first officer if i finish my training here in america?
OR
Do I have to undergo my flight training in China?
Or
Do Chinese airlines not hire americans at all period???
What is the best path for me to take??
Thanks in advanced!
I am an american currently undergoing my flight training in florida.
I am very interested in flying for an airline in china such as air china and etc...
Would I as an american, be considered for hire as a direct entry first officer if i finish my training here in america?
OR
Do I have to undergo my flight training in China?
Or
Do Chinese airlines not hire americans at all period???
What is the best path for me to take??
Thanks in advanced!
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Hi,
I have the same situation here. I am Chinese. I really love the US of A. And I have just completed my training 48hrs and 33min ago. So here it goes:
Would I as a Chinese, be considered for hire, as a direct entry FO in one of your gig's?
OR
Do I have to undergo my flt training in US of A?
OR
Do the American Airlines not hire Chinese pilots at all period ??
What is the best path for me to take ??
PS: Though, I am Chinese I have level6 ICAO english, and I can sell my mother to obtain a green citizen card. Give my love to TSA.
I have the same situation here. I am Chinese. I really love the US of A. And I have just completed my training 48hrs and 33min ago. So here it goes:
Would I as a Chinese, be considered for hire, as a direct entry FO in one of your gig's?
OR
Do I have to undergo my flt training in US of A?
OR
Do the American Airlines not hire Chinese pilots at all period ??
What is the best path for me to take ??
PS: Though, I am Chinese I have level6 ICAO english, and I can sell my mother to obtain a green citizen card. Give my love to TSA.
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hey
i believe that if you want to work in the USA you need to be a citizen in the states.. i'm not quite exactly sure. Do you have any answers for me?? lol
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Foreign carriers that hire "expats" generally only hire current and qualified pilots. That means current (do you know what that means?), qualified (type with a some amount of hours in type). They never hire newbie pilots from other countries. Most run cadel programs to grow their own pilots, with varied success rates.
Sorry but you are going to have to work your way up like the rest of us, or sell your soul to the devil, european style. What does that mean?Pay 30-50K for a type and base training, and then PAY some scumbag airline to operate their aircraft. It has driven Euro-pay rates into the dumpster.
Sorry, no easy route to the left seat of a 747.
Sorry but you are going to have to work your way up like the rest of us, or sell your soul to the devil, european style. What does that mean?Pay 30-50K for a type and base training, and then PAY some scumbag airline to operate their aircraft. It has driven Euro-pay rates into the dumpster.
Sorry, no easy route to the left seat of a 747.
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and the best path is ...
I took that you were a bit sharper w/ the 1st response, my bad. And sarcasm just faded away ...
I guess what you really need is a R-E-A-L-I-T-Y check prior completing your training in the Orange State.
Save some cash prior finishing the course. You can buy a wourld map and see where China is geographically located.
BTW,if you do want to get in to the Chinese airlines, the closest route is the "DREAM-ON" travel agency (located between rodeo dr. and cornflakes ave.) Air fares are cheap if you book today.
PS - Please do let us know from which Planet or System do you come from.
From the place that I come from, w/ 23Y old, I was expected to have more grey matter over my marbels.
I guess what you really need is a R-E-A-L-I-T-Y check prior completing your training in the Orange State.
Save some cash prior finishing the course. You can buy a wourld map and see where China is geographically located.
BTW,if you do want to get in to the Chinese airlines, the closest route is the "DREAM-ON" travel agency (located between rodeo dr. and cornflakes ave.) Air fares are cheap if you book today.
PS - Please do let us know from which Planet or System do you come from.
From the place that I come from, w/ 23Y old, I was expected to have more grey matter over my marbels.
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haha.. very amusing watchyourairspeed.
Anyway back to the subject, I've been doing a little job searching in china recently and can provide you with a little info (I am Type Qualified with line hours).
In china if you are a foreigner, you will need to have a full ATPL (1500 hours +) unless if you get some exchange with a flight school in china to do the training with you which will cost you quite alot approx. $35-40,000. Basically you will have to do the CPL/IR checkride and theory exams all over again, and its a total different story there. Plus don't forget the medical (which is very detailed). There arn't many flight schools in china, becareful over there as your money might dissappear overnight if they go bankrupt for some abrupt reason. The reason for the hours is that the CAAC require it and by doing all the training again, the chinese companies will think that the investment is too high for them to take in.
The other option might be working for a flight school. Though again you'll need to pay some type of deposit and look around a 15 year + contract flying pistons.
Chinese airlines have a culture to hire chinese citizens from universities, and sponsor them to do there training abroad, destinations include australia spain and U.S. Though these guys are signed on for life, you basically will not be able to leave unless you pay. Maybe thats why they prefer these guys, plus pay is alot less for locals than international guys, approx. 50% less in benifits and pay (dependant on airline).
My advice would be if you REALLY want to fly for a chinese airline, change your citizenship from American to Chinese, which would mean you will be chinese from then on, this would make it alot easier to find a job, though it also means you won't be able to return to U.S.A without a visa and going through the procedures.
If you train in the U.S. then find a job there. Then with a full atpl you can go direct to the airlines or go through these middle men companies such as VOR holding and PARC.
Goodluck....
Anyway back to the subject, I've been doing a little job searching in china recently and can provide you with a little info (I am Type Qualified with line hours).
In china if you are a foreigner, you will need to have a full ATPL (1500 hours +) unless if you get some exchange with a flight school in china to do the training with you which will cost you quite alot approx. $35-40,000. Basically you will have to do the CPL/IR checkride and theory exams all over again, and its a total different story there. Plus don't forget the medical (which is very detailed). There arn't many flight schools in china, becareful over there as your money might dissappear overnight if they go bankrupt for some abrupt reason. The reason for the hours is that the CAAC require it and by doing all the training again, the chinese companies will think that the investment is too high for them to take in.
The other option might be working for a flight school. Though again you'll need to pay some type of deposit and look around a 15 year + contract flying pistons.
Chinese airlines have a culture to hire chinese citizens from universities, and sponsor them to do there training abroad, destinations include australia spain and U.S. Though these guys are signed on for life, you basically will not be able to leave unless you pay. Maybe thats why they prefer these guys, plus pay is alot less for locals than international guys, approx. 50% less in benifits and pay (dependant on airline).
My advice would be if you REALLY want to fly for a chinese airline, change your citizenship from American to Chinese, which would mean you will be chinese from then on, this would make it alot easier to find a job, though it also means you won't be able to return to U.S.A without a visa and going through the procedures.
If you train in the U.S. then find a job there. Then with a full atpl you can go direct to the airlines or go through these middle men companies such as VOR holding and PARC.
Goodluck....
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The other option might be working for a flight school. Though again you'll need to pay some type of deposit and look around a 15 year + contract flying pistons.
That is incorrect information. flyremnant, if you can get CFI rating's in the states with some instructional experience, you will be able to work as a flight instructor in china. Typically,the contract periods are 1-3 years depending on the flight school. They used to hire guys with just the ratings..
In china if you are a foreigner, you will need to have a full ATPL (1500 hours +) unless if you get some exchange with a flight school in china to do the training with you which will cost you quite alot approx. $35-40,000.
It is possible to get work there without ATP.
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Well I don't know about you (abhi88), but that was what I was basically offered over the summer during my job search over there.
Typically currently most chinese schools are only hiring chinese citizens e.g. the flight school in hunan.
Beijing Panam, which has gone bust did hire CFI's from the state and did some kind of conversion and contract with the instructors, which the pay was quite good. But nowadays in this current climate and quite a few instructors from panam still without jobs, it may look difficult for newbies without CAAC license to join.
Hong Kong and Macau are part of china (though some locals don't admit it), but they don't use the CAAC in hong kong, they have a HKAAC or somthing like that, so its a total different story, plus most airspace in china talk chinese and not english unless you go to the larger airports.
ATP is needed for airline jobs in china, or basically its a very high investment for the airlines to conversion your license. Even going through the back door in one of the freight carriers in china, they still required 1000 hours I was told.
Anyway this is all my experience in the current climate, maybe things will change in the near future. who knows?.... the world is always moving...
Goodluck... go for your dreams....
Typically currently most chinese schools are only hiring chinese citizens e.g. the flight school in hunan.
Beijing Panam, which has gone bust did hire CFI's from the state and did some kind of conversion and contract with the instructors, which the pay was quite good. But nowadays in this current climate and quite a few instructors from panam still without jobs, it may look difficult for newbies without CAAC license to join.
Hong Kong and Macau are part of china (though some locals don't admit it), but they don't use the CAAC in hong kong, they have a HKAAC or somthing like that, so its a total different story, plus most airspace in china talk chinese and not english unless you go to the larger airports.
ATP is needed for airline jobs in china, or basically its a very high investment for the airlines to conversion your license. Even going through the back door in one of the freight carriers in china, they still required 1000 hours I was told.
Anyway this is all my experience in the current climate, maybe things will change in the near future. who knows?.... the world is always moving...
Goodluck... go for your dreams....
Maybe you could try Dragonair, they fly in China a lot but are based in Hong Kong. They have a cadet program they are recruiting for at the moment and I may be wrong but I am pretty sure they accept foreigners into the cadet program, as do Cathay Pacific.
