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Can you believe THIS????
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"The defendant tried to make a maximum effort as a captain to save the plane and the passengers,"
I can't believe that this guy's cock & bull story about an uncontrolled dive (ala QF A-330) actually paid off.
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Yes:
It must be Boeing's fault since he has been found not guilty by jungle court. Or the FO's fault.
DASH-8: There was an uproar about the Captain of ANZ 703 being charged with manslaughter after descending over 1100ft too low on approach and crashing near Palmerston North with four deaths as a result. Consistency, fellas.....
''The defendant's rights, position and status therefore should be restored.''
The judgment means Captain Marwoto can return to flying
The judgment means Captain Marwoto can return to flying
DASH-8: There was an uproar about the Captain of ANZ 703 being charged with manslaughter after descending over 1100ft too low on approach and crashing near Palmerston North with four deaths as a result. Consistency, fellas.....
Prosecutor to appeal, so it might not be over yet:
Indonesian pilot in deadly crash wins court appeal - NewsFlash - PennLive.com
An appeal against that ruling will be filed within two weeks, said prosecutor Suharyawan, who like many Indonesians goes by one name. 
"We believe that the conviction against him was right and all the evidence has proved it," Suharyawan said.
"We believe that the conviction against him was right and all the evidence has proved it," Suharyawan said.
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Prosecutor to appeal, so it might not be over yet:
Captain Marwoto's lawyer, Mochtar Zuhdi, said the high court's decision could not be appealed.
Interesting legal system over there
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From a safety point of view sending the pilot to gaol was counter productive. It meant that the processes within the airline were not examined. This would have included training, CRM, procedures laid down for action by the FO etc etc.
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Some bulletins state that it was the Jamair High Court.
Not knowing the full Indonesian Justice structure, is there an Indonesian High Court that sits above any regional court(s)?
Mike
Not knowing the full Indonesian Justice structure, is there an Indonesian High Court that sits above any regional court(s)?
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The court said prosecutors had failed to prove Komar "officially and convincingly guilty of a crime".
I wonder what would the verdict been if the aircraft was foreign registered and the captain a non Indonesian or god forbid an Australian?
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Medical reasons aside (which presumably were ruled out quickly), the behaviour of this Garuda pilot went well beyond human error - reckless disregard is more like. He deserved to be convicted imo. WRT to the Ansett NZ accident, there was definitely a significant human error element to the accident, but no reckless disregard (except maybe from the management who were too tight fisted to get the landing gear problems sorted as a matter of priority... I could go on but I wont).
As far as the Indonesian system works, believe me a westerner is never likely to come to grips with it unless he/she has lived there for a while. The biggest mistake westerners make when dealing with a country like this is to assume that the same standards will be applied as back in their home country.
As far as the Indonesian system works, believe me a westerner is never likely to come to grips with it unless he/she has lived there for a while. The biggest mistake westerners make when dealing with a country like this is to assume that the same standards will be applied as back in their home country.
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Absolutely business as usual
No-one should be surprised at this. 
It was an Indonesian captain, tried in Indonesia, after all.
Maaate, this is INDONESIA! The captain will be flying again within a few weeks.
The FO, OTOH, will probably never fly again!
(challenged the captains authority, causing the captain to lose face).
It was an Indonesian captain, tried in Indonesia, after all.
So if the conviction was quashed can we expect to see the flight crew back in the air?
The FO, OTOH, will probably never fly again!
(challenged the captains authority, causing the captain to lose face).
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I don't think the Capt. will be flying again in a few weeks...
The prosecution and defending arguments were in my opinion both weak and ridiculous.
Plus, many of you might not realize, there has been foreign pressure on the government to overturn the guilty verdict...
So, I guess the Legacy pilot that collided with the Gol 738 should have been found guilty too eh?
However, I do think the GA200 capt should not walk scott-free...
The prosecution and defending arguments were in my opinion both weak and ridiculous.
Plus, many of you might not realize, there has been foreign pressure on the government to overturn the guilty verdict...
So, I guess the Legacy pilot that collided with the Gol 738 should have been found guilty too eh?
However, I do think the GA200 capt should not walk scott-free...
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Pk- I think the point here is the other mid air incident you are referring to was an accident, with a string of events leading up to it. I don't believe the FDR/CVR should be used for prosecution in accident cases but in my mind this approach was suicidal, no accident, not pilot error. Driven by a mans ego not to admit he had stuffed up the arrival and started the approach to high and fast. He blatantly disregarded his F.O.'s input and the gpws callouts. The Garuda skipper continued an approach which could have only ended up one way. Anyone with half a brain would have been able to tell that. I hope he doesn't get his licence back, may be the only thing that changes the culture. Therefore it could be referred to as a VIOLATION not an error.
Last edited by kimir; 12th Dec 2009 at 22:35.