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Egos, egos, egos...
That's why they let themselves be driven by demagogic populists like the "sleeper", that usually become "leaders" of harmful agitation.
They are selling "be on your 777 right now", which is like music to the ears of the "top guns" with the amazing 2,000hrs tt.
No, comand on an ATR would be an offence! They are different from the rest of the world, were it takes 15, 20 years of hard work and experience to get strapped into a wide body or a command of a jet, for that matter!
Too good the management knows that the most valuable asset is experience, and high quality experience. When it comes to smoking debris and making the headlines, though realities need to be considered. Remember Korean Air on the 80's, when young "machos" with 3,000 hr tt were made "captains" with the known costs of several hull losses and hundreds of lives.
The minimum legal standars to get promoted is exactly this: minimum legal standards.
The majority of the expats have interesting stories about the arrogant atittude of several local FOs, who rate themselves as a god gift to the aviation. This usually lead to bad captains, dangerous ones.
Finaly, India owes Mr Goyal a statue: he's truly a national hero, able to build a world class airline in record time, despite the worst bureaucratic monster in the world. Put the biggest part of his assets to make a dream come true, and some demagogic agitators, below average professionals, are leading to extinguish.
They are selling "be on your 777 right now", which is like music to the ears of the "top guns" with the amazing 2,000hrs tt.
No, comand on an ATR would be an offence! They are different from the rest of the world, were it takes 15, 20 years of hard work and experience to get strapped into a wide body or a command of a jet, for that matter!
Too good the management knows that the most valuable asset is experience, and high quality experience. When it comes to smoking debris and making the headlines, though realities need to be considered. Remember Korean Air on the 80's, when young "machos" with 3,000 hr tt were made "captains" with the known costs of several hull losses and hundreds of lives.
The minimum legal standars to get promoted is exactly this: minimum legal standards.
The majority of the expats have interesting stories about the arrogant atittude of several local FOs, who rate themselves as a god gift to the aviation. This usually lead to bad captains, dangerous ones.
Finaly, India owes Mr Goyal a statue: he's truly a national hero, able to build a world class airline in record time, despite the worst bureaucratic monster in the world. Put the biggest part of his assets to make a dream come true, and some demagogic agitators, below average professionals, are leading to extinguish.
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if an airline company mandates min time of 2500hrs tt ( with other riders like type time/monsoon exp etc ) as the min acceptable for command upgrade, i am sure they are complying with regulatory and insurance reqts...so whats your point...is a frustrated 7000tt FO flying for years on the right ( unable to upgrade for failing to get an atp or due lack of progression in the company ) necessarily a better/safer future captain??
i dont think so , we have several bright and sharp youngsters in their 20's who fit the bill...go through an assessment/interview...sims..loft..route checks ...company release all done by senior trainers including expats! most pass but some fail too...yes contrary to popular perception...we have pilots who dont make it..!
with the emphasis on crm,leadership skills i am sure by the time one goes through this entire training, one deserves the left seat...enough of this RHS 200 tt holder bashing...not all of them are dopeheads....ofcourse there will be opposition from guys who've flown the airbus/boeing from day one with 2500+ hrs when the airlines want to upgrade them to the atr's...its only natural..their progression had promised them right to left on the same aircraft...
but why is this happening?..cos the management in their exuberance in inducting on the narrow/widebodies completely forgot abt the poor turboprop fleet which almost became 90% expat ( captains )..if only all abinitio hiring was done through the atr's and then progression offered onto the narrowbody jets or command on the atr's itself...such a situation would not have occured..
so airlines wanting captains lapped these guys up while the rest stayed on for upgrade on the atr's...thinking it is an upgrade in recessionary times...in terms of pay/command experience...ultimately market forces ( demand supply ) are the greatest leveller...
if an airline company mandates min time of 2500hrs tt ( with other riders like type time/monsoon exp etc ) as the min acceptable for command upgrade, i am sure they are complying with regulatory and insurance reqts...so whats your point...is a frustrated 7000tt FO flying for years on the right ( unable to upgrade for failing to get an atp or due lack of progression in the company ) necessarily a better/safer future captain??
i dont think so , we have several bright and sharp youngsters in their 20's who fit the bill...go through an assessment/interview...sims..loft..route checks ...company release all done by senior trainers including expats! most pass but some fail too...yes contrary to popular perception...we have pilots who dont make it..!
with the emphasis on crm,leadership skills i am sure by the time one goes through this entire training, one deserves the left seat...enough of this RHS 200 tt holder bashing...not all of them are dopeheads....ofcourse there will be opposition from guys who've flown the airbus/boeing from day one with 2500+ hrs when the airlines want to upgrade them to the atr's...its only natural..their progression had promised them right to left on the same aircraft...
but why is this happening?..cos the management in their exuberance in inducting on the narrow/widebodies completely forgot abt the poor turboprop fleet which almost became 90% expat ( captains )..if only all abinitio hiring was done through the atr's and then progression offered onto the narrowbody jets or command on the atr's itself...such a situation would not have occured..
so airlines wanting captains lapped these guys up while the rest stayed on for upgrade on the atr's...thinking it is an upgrade in recessionary times...in terms of pay/command experience...ultimately market forces ( demand supply ) are the greatest leveller...
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Score, I fly at Jet and can tell you I have never flown with a 7000 hour FO. I rarely fly with someone over 2000. I have flown with 1, 250 gal that is very, very good. But in a 6 day week I may fly with 1 or 2 good FOs. If I am lucky.
Crm is non exsistant. Flipping switches, deleting or executing fmc entry's, without informing me. If I make a mistake they won't inform me. No radio etiquette at all(Indian Atc is a nightmare 15 guys talking at the same time). Leaving the cockpit for 45 min to an hour at a time. The worst thing is, you can explain something to them and they have zero intrest in actually learning. If anything out of the ordinary happens, forget about it your on your own!!
This isn't a unique story. If you speak to any expat in India you will get the same story.
Upgrading into anything regardless of Jet or Prop would be taken anywhere in the world except here. EGO's are the only reason to turn down a command position. 12 on the board in Chennai and only one took it. Amazing, I can't imagine anyone in the North America, South America, EUROPE, where one would turn down an ATR command, because the company told them someday they would upgrade in the 73. Things change you take an upgrade when they are offered.
Crm is non exsistant. Flipping switches, deleting or executing fmc entry's, without informing me. If I make a mistake they won't inform me. No radio etiquette at all(Indian Atc is a nightmare 15 guys talking at the same time). Leaving the cockpit for 45 min to an hour at a time. The worst thing is, you can explain something to them and they have zero intrest in actually learning. If anything out of the ordinary happens, forget about it your on your own!!
This isn't a unique story. If you speak to any expat in India you will get the same story.
Upgrading into anything regardless of Jet or Prop would be taken anywhere in the world except here. EGO's are the only reason to turn down a command position. 12 on the board in Chennai and only one took it. Amazing, I can't imagine anyone in the North America, South America, EUROPE, where one would turn down an ATR command, because the company told them someday they would upgrade in the 73. Things change you take an upgrade when they are offered.
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You have made a very precise and nail on the head assesment. Indians lack respect for authority and each one is trying to be a leader which is almost an impossible task in such a populus country.
I would have said that if they had served in the military they would have learned and earned respect, but the armed forces in India are going the same way where repect is lacking.
This very respect for authority and chain of command is what is causing this problem. It is also the best way to break it as none our loyal to each other and will sell their soul for that next jump.
I am truly sad the management reached a compromise that did not include the total removal of such people who should have been hung out to dry. I suspect this is not the end of the problem and there are going to be more turbulent times for jet ahead especially for those who did not participate in this mindless act as well as the expats who are here to ensure that there is some level of CRM and good ethics passed on.
I for one am ashamed and shocked at the behaviour of such people.
You have made a very precise and nail on the head assesment. Indians lack respect for authority and each one is trying to be a leader which is almost an impossible task in such a populus country.
I would have said that if they had served in the military they would have learned and earned respect, but the armed forces in India are going the same way where repect is lacking.
This very respect for authority and chain of command is what is causing this problem. It is also the best way to break it as none our loyal to each other and will sell their soul for that next jump.
I am truly sad the management reached a compromise that did not include the total removal of such people who should have been hung out to dry. I suspect this is not the end of the problem and there are going to be more turbulent times for jet ahead especially for those who did not participate in this mindless act as well as the expats who are here to ensure that there is some level of CRM and good ethics passed on.
I for one am ashamed and shocked at the behaviour of such people.
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to all you guys debating what the boys in jet have done
..These boys have displayed amazing levels of patience & tolerance awaiting a civilized decision on all the pending issues they had with the new all expat management .. it was outright racism .they took their allowances away when they refused a paycut, next took away all signed agreements by the previous management, took away all their upgrades , & finally when they tried taking away their dignity .. too bad that the board of directors and the chairman himself did not do their homework prior to hiring the CRAP from GULF AIR.. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/evil.gif
They have displayed exemplary levels of courage , strength & character by standing up for their 2 colleagues who were fired for absolutely no valid reason one fine weekend by e-mail . They went further with their resolve to stand united, for another 2 colleagues who were also fired for supporting the cause.... in total 4 guys . they stood united for 5 days till the management finally came begging on their doors ... THESE BOYS R ALL ACTION & LESS TALK.. can you imagine young first officers who been around for anything from 5 -- 12 months standing up to their management
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These guys are an AMAZING BUNCH..http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/thumbs.gif
..These boys have displayed amazing levels of patience & tolerance awaiting a civilized decision on all the pending issues they had with the new all expat management .. it was outright racism .they took their allowances away when they refused a paycut, next took away all signed agreements by the previous management, took away all their upgrades , & finally when they tried taking away their dignity .. too bad that the board of directors and the chairman himself did not do their homework prior to hiring the CRAP from GULF AIR.. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/evil.gif
They have displayed exemplary levels of courage , strength & character by standing up for their 2 colleagues who were fired for absolutely no valid reason one fine weekend by e-mail . They went further with their resolve to stand united, for another 2 colleagues who were also fired for supporting the cause.... in total 4 guys . they stood united for 5 days till the management finally came begging on their doors ... THESE BOYS R ALL ACTION & LESS TALK.. can you imagine young first officers who been around for anything from 5 -- 12 months standing up to their management
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These guys are an AMAZING BUNCH..http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/thumbs.gif
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The whole problem, is the old third world problem.
THE CANDIDATES FOR THE "GOOD" JOBS ARE NOT SELECTED ON MERIT!
Most of them come from wealthy and or powerful families and they get first pick. A lot of them would have been weeded out very quickly where i come from.
It is also a problem in the "first" world but not to the same extent but freemasonry does show it's hand.
As for the reinstatement's? They're dead men walking, believe me.
THE CANDIDATES FOR THE "GOOD" JOBS ARE NOT SELECTED ON MERIT!
Most of them come from wealthy and or powerful families and they get first pick. A lot of them would have been weeded out very quickly where i come from.
It is also a problem in the "first" world but not to the same extent but freemasonry does show it's hand.
As for the reinstatement's? They're dead men walking, believe me.
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So true!
What the chaps painted here is an amazingly perfect picture of the "professional" environment in India.
Of course there are commited and serious professionals that know what they are doing.
But vast majority:
- came from healthy families, with connections with government officials, that found themselves strapped on shiny jets and don't give a s...about. Daddy payd them to get the licenses in the US. They think they are bollywoood stars, prima donnas that usually leave the cockpit for 30 plus minutes to chat with FAs in the back, every hour, flying over Afganistan, Iraq and other nice places at night, leaving the captain alone. So we have pilot incapacitation on almost 50% of the time on long haul flights.
Imagine what kind of captain they will become on such standards...
- "SOP" for "senior" indian captains: they usually play havoc with rostering, refusing to fly if the sector doen't please them. It's always been like that. Imagine this on Lufthansa, American, Emirates etc...
- now, some lower rank demagogics, are trying to destroy the only real airline the country produced...
Hats of to Mr Goyal, who managed to work with all this crap.
Of course there are commited and serious professionals that know what they are doing.
But vast majority:
- came from healthy families, with connections with government officials, that found themselves strapped on shiny jets and don't give a s...about. Daddy payd them to get the licenses in the US. They think they are bollywoood stars, prima donnas that usually leave the cockpit for 30 plus minutes to chat with FAs in the back, every hour, flying over Afganistan, Iraq and other nice places at night, leaving the captain alone. So we have pilot incapacitation on almost 50% of the time on long haul flights.
Imagine what kind of captain they will become on such standards...
- "SOP" for "senior" indian captains: they usually play havoc with rostering, refusing to fly if the sector doen't please them. It's always been like that. Imagine this on Lufthansa, American, Emirates etc...
- now, some lower rank demagogics, are trying to destroy the only real airline the country produced...
Hats of to Mr Goyal, who managed to work with all this crap.
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They have displayed exemplary levels of courage
These boys have displayed amazing levels of patience & tolerance awaiting a civilized decision
you imagine young first officers who been around for anything from 5 -- 12 months standing up to their management
Besides is it not true that you threatened and intimidated them like agent said before.
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As for STRENGTH.Any MOB CAN HAVE STRENGHT
As for CHARACTER.I remember watching one of your very senior Captains lie like a child (to Prannoy Roy) on national freakin television as to how he didn't go to school becoz he had loose motions
As for CHARACTER.I remember watching one of your very senior Captains lie like a child (to Prannoy Roy) on national freakin television as to how he didn't go to school becoz he had loose motions
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Biggest marketing faux pax was putting that Kaushik guy on TV. He looks like a politician scum with absolutely no finesse in him.
Papers are reporting how the ranks started breaking and why kaushik had to accept going back to tucking his tail and accepting the NAG be dissolved.
I have one word for all who say the pilots where right
Guess the snake has no fangs left.
Papers are reporting how the ranks started breaking and why kaushik had to accept going back to tucking his tail and accepting the NAG be dissolved.
I have one word for all who say the pilots where right
Guess the snake has no fangs left.
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I am truly amazed at the description of the FO's in Jet...if that truly is the case...why bother complaining on this forum...take it up with your training team or base managers etc. How disappointing to see such experienced captains not being able to discipline first officers.
Yes we are a developing country and the conditions to fly are very challenging at times but hey no one's forcing anyone to fly..its your choice and market conditions..i.e job opportunities...Jet has been an industry leader and we in other airlines have always admired its "systems" not individuals cos at the end of the day...individuals come and go but systems remain.
Not all pilots in India are from wealthy, "connected" backgrounds...some have huge loans to pay...and are sole breadwinners for their families...come from extremely humble backgrounds too...so please do not paint all of them with the same brush. On my first sim training to cae,ams , out of a batch of 8 fo's only half of them had travelled out of india , it was a task getting them to walk past the "kiosks" in Daam Square!
Anyways, while I do feel sorry for the inconvenience caused to the travelling public, I think it was within their fundamental/constitutional right to do what they did...the management was adamant in not listening to SWIP as they had no legal teeth!...well now NAG has that and hopefully there are lessons to be learnt for all of us...and agent 123 can you resist from personal attacks please..whats your long term agenda in life??!..
Yes we are a developing country and the conditions to fly are very challenging at times but hey no one's forcing anyone to fly..its your choice and market conditions..i.e job opportunities...Jet has been an industry leader and we in other airlines have always admired its "systems" not individuals cos at the end of the day...individuals come and go but systems remain.
Not all pilots in India are from wealthy, "connected" backgrounds...some have huge loans to pay...and are sole breadwinners for their families...come from extremely humble backgrounds too...so please do not paint all of them with the same brush. On my first sim training to cae,ams , out of a batch of 8 fo's only half of them had travelled out of india , it was a task getting them to walk past the "kiosks" in Daam Square!
Anyways, while I do feel sorry for the inconvenience caused to the travelling public, I think it was within their fundamental/constitutional right to do what they did...the management was adamant in not listening to SWIP as they had no legal teeth!...well now NAG has that and hopefully there are lessons to be learnt for all of us...and agent 123 can you resist from personal attacks please..whats your long term agenda in life??!..
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Capt. Apache,
You attack pilots/ labor as if they are "terrorists"? That's a little over-the-top, don't you think?
Mgmt was in ultimate control of this ultimate outcome from the getgo. They decided to sack 2 pilots for no reason. They decided to refuse any mediation or negotiation over the matter. And only they decided to continue the lockout until they realized their arrogance was a direct threat to their very existance.
I don't necessarily agree with the execution or the prep-work of this "stike", but I understand the philosophical issues that brought it on. Throughout the entire process, only mgmt had the power to end it. That they chose not to for so long is nobody's fault but their own.
It is called accountability. If you're a pilot I would expect you to understand that.
You attack pilots/ labor as if they are "terrorists"? That's a little over-the-top, don't you think?
Mgmt was in ultimate control of this ultimate outcome from the getgo. They decided to sack 2 pilots for no reason. They decided to refuse any mediation or negotiation over the matter. And only they decided to continue the lockout until they realized their arrogance was a direct threat to their very existance.
I don't necessarily agree with the execution or the prep-work of this "stike", but I understand the philosophical issues that brought it on. Throughout the entire process, only mgmt had the power to end it. That they chose not to for so long is nobody's fault but their own.
It is called accountability. If you're a pilot I would expect you to understand that.
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Steamage...If you have any real opinions like function and scorpilot,Please express them here.
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Then tell your friends to stop bragging about Courage.You may have been philosophically motivated(And I respect that) but a lot of others were intimidated.They were scared of losing their benefits and of failing their Sims.THEY WERE MADE TO FEEL THREATENED AND THAT IS A FACT.IS THAT WHAT COURAGE IS...INTIMIDATING THE WEAK.
Then there were others who went along in the name of solidarity which is like saying "I have no brains of my own and will go where the majority goes".Its called HERD MENTALITY.
Logically speaking,that cannot be true as Two parties were involved
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Then tell your friends to stop bragging about Courage.You may have been philosophically motivated(And I respect that) but a lot of others were intimidated.They were scared of losing their benefits and of failing their Sims.THEY WERE MADE TO FEEL THREATENED AND THAT IS A FACT.IS THAT WHAT COURAGE IS...INTIMIDATING THE WEAK.
Then there were others who went along in the name of solidarity which is like saying "I have no brains of my own and will go where the majority goes".Its called HERD MENTALITY.
Throughout the entire process, only mgmt had the power to end it
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They decided to sack 2 pilots for no reason.
DISCLAIMER: Please don't run your horses I am not that guy
If you read any of my previous posts you will note that I have never claimed that your management is innocent.They are not.There are warmongers there too(Please get rid of all warmongers.)
Your Operations and Rostering are f****** up(And I thankyou for using the word ACCOUNTABILITY than the hackneyed COURAGE).But they are much much better than many many other airlines which your guys don't have the depth to appreciate.
As for DIGNITY.... thats what some of your Captains showed when they resigned from mgmt sometime ago.Get them reinstated
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Well, it's good to see the Pilots stand up for themselves. Internationally, Indian pilots are paid far less then Europe/Middle east..but then we have to taken into account the exchange, which was more favorable two years ago.
Anyway, the whole reason the guys got sacked. They got sacked cause they tried to start a union. They went on strike. Jet Airways saved a ton of money by not operating at all and losing on airport fees/fuel even as the company stated themselves. Then, the management refused to let the pilots come back unless the dissolved the union, which the pilots did.
On Aug 17, Jet wanted to strike because it was cheaper not to operate.
So, let's look at this:
Jet Management: You want to strike, PERFECT! The pilots will look like the terrorists!
Desi PIlot: Hey man, expats are getting paid more and we want a union like every other country so we aren't forced to do stupid things for our jobs! Safety!
Jet Management : You are not entittled, here's your termination letter!
Desi Pilot: I told all my seniors now they strike and make everybody else strike.
Jet Management: STRIKE?! No, please don't do that...we'll save so much money!
Desi Pilot: Reinstate us.
Jet Managmenet : Piss of terrorists!
Desi Pilot: We disolved the union.
Jet Management: Oh alright, come back to work fellas! We'll lose more money now when we cut our fares in half..damn it backfired!
Vijay Mallya : Ha ha ha ha, stop at the bank, i need to withdraw money before AAI takes it from me. On the hop!
Air India Desi Pilot: Hey guys, wanna strike?
Paramount Trainee Pilot: arre yaaar I paid 25 lacs and I'm working the counter! 60 Copilots and 15 captains in this company...that seems about right. Can't wait for my upgrade! Sir, may I have your PNR number?
Star Aviation : I got a brilliant idea! LETS START AN AIRLINE!
250 hour CPL Holder: mama, where did you put the gun? No mama, I want to sell it.....not kill myself
Praful Patel : Air India.....Jet....Air India.....Jet....Air India....Jet...wait I own part of jet don't I! Oh you're not losing more money? HA! The government will think I'm chosing the country over my own financial gains! They'll think i'm losing money everyday, and saving Air India in the process! HA! Praful wins again! VICTORY!
Fly Dubai: Here desi pilot...come come come...oh we'll treat you better? Bigger salary, nice house, nice car...no honking or ricshaws...oh there you go desi pilot you like dubai don't you, yeah it's nice! Union, no you don't need a union we shower you with money...we don't even use fuel anymore we just burn money..
Anyway, the whole reason the guys got sacked. They got sacked cause they tried to start a union. They went on strike. Jet Airways saved a ton of money by not operating at all and losing on airport fees/fuel even as the company stated themselves. Then, the management refused to let the pilots come back unless the dissolved the union, which the pilots did.
On Aug 17, Jet wanted to strike because it was cheaper not to operate.
So, let's look at this:
Jet Management: You want to strike, PERFECT! The pilots will look like the terrorists!
Desi PIlot: Hey man, expats are getting paid more and we want a union like every other country so we aren't forced to do stupid things for our jobs! Safety!
Jet Management : You are not entittled, here's your termination letter!
Desi Pilot: I told all my seniors now they strike and make everybody else strike.
Jet Management: STRIKE?! No, please don't do that...we'll save so much money!
Desi Pilot: Reinstate us.
Jet Managmenet : Piss of terrorists!
Desi Pilot: We disolved the union.
Jet Management: Oh alright, come back to work fellas! We'll lose more money now when we cut our fares in half..damn it backfired!
Vijay Mallya : Ha ha ha ha, stop at the bank, i need to withdraw money before AAI takes it from me. On the hop!
Air India Desi Pilot: Hey guys, wanna strike?
Paramount Trainee Pilot: arre yaaar I paid 25 lacs and I'm working the counter! 60 Copilots and 15 captains in this company...that seems about right. Can't wait for my upgrade! Sir, may I have your PNR number?
Star Aviation : I got a brilliant idea! LETS START AN AIRLINE!
250 hour CPL Holder: mama, where did you put the gun? No mama, I want to sell it.....not kill myself
Praful Patel : Air India.....Jet....Air India.....Jet....Air India....Jet...wait I own part of jet don't I! Oh you're not losing more money? HA! The government will think I'm chosing the country over my own financial gains! They'll think i'm losing money everyday, and saving Air India in the process! HA! Praful wins again! VICTORY!
Fly Dubai: Here desi pilot...come come come...oh we'll treat you better? Bigger salary, nice house, nice car...no honking or ricshaws...oh there you go desi pilot you like dubai don't you, yeah it's nice! Union, no you don't need a union we shower you with money...we don't even use fuel anymore we just burn money..
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My CPL dates back to 1996, I was employed in 2002!...do you see that 6 yr gap...the boom you are talking about is post 2002 phenomena and lasted till last year.
There are scores of guys who were unemployed between 1995 and 2002 who got employed cos of the boom and they form a big chunk of the first officers online today...we know what we went through those years, recognise the value of our jobs and feel the pain of those thousands of unemployed cpl holders at present.
Its a cyclical industry and some get lucky, some have contacts and some struggle ( a large silent majority ) like me to get their first job after 6-8 years.
There are all types of first officers, its true for captains too...we ( captains ) need to address the issue if someone is found complacent or does not follow sop's etc. Its a challenge to the left seat to deal with such guys ( a minority in my opinion )...thats my perspective...phew!
My CPL dates back to 1996, I was employed in 2002!...do you see that 6 yr gap...the boom you are talking about is post 2002 phenomena and lasted till last year.
There are scores of guys who were unemployed between 1995 and 2002 who got employed cos of the boom and they form a big chunk of the first officers online today...we know what we went through those years, recognise the value of our jobs and feel the pain of those thousands of unemployed cpl holders at present.
Its a cyclical industry and some get lucky, some have contacts and some struggle ( a large silent majority ) like me to get their first job after 6-8 years.
There are all types of first officers, its true for captains too...we ( captains ) need to address the issue if someone is found complacent or does not follow sop's etc. Its a challenge to the left seat to deal with such guys ( a minority in my opinion )...thats my perspective...phew!
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That question wasn't directed to me, but there's a big difference between the last boom and what is to come. Government regulations made it difficult/impossible for private carriers to come up. Once free skies were enabled in India, along with the economic boom, pilots got hired.
Don't think Indian Aviation is the only industry/country experiencing economic problems. It's a global thing. Airlines expanded too quickly, and didn't look at the mistakes of other airline industries in other countries. Low Cost Carrier is the only way to make money, or at least the safest. Now all the airlines are turning to low cast carrier.
Even despite the troubled times, Paramount, Spice, Indigo, and GoAir are looking in the black. Once all the carriers scale back, more will become profitable/lose less(except maybe air india).
Further, the Indian economy is expected to grow alot in 2010: Outlook for the Indian Economy -- Seeking Alpha
Things are on the up. 2010 will be a much better year. There are still alot of aircraft orders coming to India, expats to be phased out, and some pilots to move abroad to the Middle East during their heavy expansion. Expect alot of hiring towards the middle-end of 2010.
Don't think Indian Aviation is the only industry/country experiencing economic problems. It's a global thing. Airlines expanded too quickly, and didn't look at the mistakes of other airline industries in other countries. Low Cost Carrier is the only way to make money, or at least the safest. Now all the airlines are turning to low cast carrier.
Even despite the troubled times, Paramount, Spice, Indigo, and GoAir are looking in the black. Once all the carriers scale back, more will become profitable/lose less(except maybe air india).
Further, the Indian economy is expected to grow alot in 2010: Outlook for the Indian Economy -- Seeking Alpha
Things are on the up. 2010 will be a much better year. There are still alot of aircraft orders coming to India, expats to be phased out, and some pilots to move abroad to the Middle East during their heavy expansion. Expect alot of hiring towards the middle-end of 2010.
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High court takes Jet pilots to task over illegal strike
Saw this is today's Times of India....
Its sad
http://http://epaper.timesofindia.co...Mode=HTML&GZ=T
Its sad
http://http://epaper.timesofindia.co...Mode=HTML&GZ=T