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It's not so much third party hearsay now is it?
Or was it that the expat captain's pay in Batavia for 100hrs is equivalent to what an F/O would get at at least 2 Indonesian carriers for 100hrs?
Or was it the lack of training?
Or was it really the hearsay stuff I posted?
As I've said in another topic, this company knows there are a lot of guys out of the country seeking jobs in the current economic environment... and the company will exploit that!
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PK-KAR,
I agree with your assessment, I had an offer from this outfit. Dealing with them via email and on the phone was a very unprofessional experience, this set off my alarm bells. I started talk to expats that's there already, this sealed the case for me. I turned them down.
I rather stay alive and out of jail, than risk my life flying for this unprofessional lot...
I agree with your assessment, I had an offer from this outfit. Dealing with them via email and on the phone was a very unprofessional experience, this set off my alarm bells. I started talk to expats that's there already, this sealed the case for me. I turned them down.
I rather stay alive and out of jail, than risk my life flying for this unprofessional lot...
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unprofessional?....unsafe?.....
The only issue here has absolutely nothing to do with being safe or professional at all.There are really no issues in that respect, as far as the 20-odd expats here already are concerned.However, there is a big credibility issue with respect to the honesty of the company regarding contract conditions.You get a contract sent to you before you come, then like magic, a new one is presented to you upon arrival that doesnt resemble the first one.Its all about the pilot supply/demand equation and right now it favours the airlines.What to do?.Its up to you, but if desperate enough, or looking for that first break into jets, etc, then you will consider almost anything wont you?.Things will turn around soon, but a job is a job even with Batavia, and nothing rules you out of the running for desirable jobs more than a CV that screams "...last flight was july 2008..." Pete.
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Very well put PiratePete!!!!
The safety issues regarding Batavia is unrelated to the expat issue... they might even send the expats flying the serviceable planes instead because they're worried someone might "talk" after leaving. The safety issues in Batavia isn't as blatantly simple as say, Adam Air, but the potential consequences isn't that much different. But it's a different situation.
My worry is very well put by PiratePete... it's the contract! This is a company that has used crew contracts as a weapon against its crew, and a weapon against those refusing to compromise safety.
A job is a job... whether it's better than being unemployed, is everyone's own decision... but, coming in with information is better than stepping into the unknown! The last thing Indonesia needs is another war of words between locals and expats on what happened here...
He's DFO at Mandala... doesn't fly though...
The safety issues regarding Batavia is unrelated to the expat issue... they might even send the expats flying the serviceable planes instead because they're worried someone might "talk" after leaving. The safety issues in Batavia isn't as blatantly simple as say, Adam Air, but the potential consequences isn't that much different. But it's a different situation.
My worry is very well put by PiratePete... it's the contract! This is a company that has used crew contracts as a weapon against its crew, and a weapon against those refusing to compromise safety.
A job is a job... whether it's better than being unemployed, is everyone's own decision... but, coming in with information is better than stepping into the unknown! The last thing Indonesia needs is another war of words between locals and expats on what happened here...
Guys is Captain Cor still CP at Mandala - thought the Batavia guys would know....?
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Piratepete,
It is normal... for Batavia that is...
If they don't give you charts, go to Halim and grab some IndoAvis enroute charts. It's not Jepp, but it'll keep you alive at least!
Stay safe,
PK-
It is normal... for Batavia that is...
If they don't give you charts, go to Halim and grab some IndoAvis enroute charts. It's not Jepp, but it'll keep you alive at least!
Stay safe,
PK-
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crucial questions
poor Piratepete
you fly pax with those questions ?
what a burden ! better know when to stop than sorry.
BTW the "LHS's hand on throttles during T/O roll" is for the Stage II Checklist.
they may not yet adopt it (but if you meant nobody grab the T/L .. that's another story).
you fly pax with those questions ?
what a burden ! better know when to stop than sorry.
BTW the "LHS's hand on throttles during T/O roll" is for the Stage II Checklist.
they may not yet adopt it (but if you meant nobody grab the T/L .. that's another story).
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Hey everyone,
Just hearing some rumours that the DCA in Indonesia has/might be increasing the hour requirements for foreign pilots looking to join local airlines, ie. Batavia and other 737 / 320 operators to 500hrs on type or previous jet experience.
Just wondering if any of you who work in the region have heard anything to that effect.
Many thanks.
Just hearing some rumours that the DCA in Indonesia has/might be increasing the hour requirements for foreign pilots looking to join local airlines, ie. Batavia and other 737 / 320 operators to 500hrs on type or previous jet experience.
Just wondering if any of you who work in the region have heard anything to that effect.
Many thanks.
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500 Hours Required
Yes its now official DGCA policy.You must have 500 hours on type, in order for the DGCA to approve a foreign pilots licence validation, for example B737 or A320.You will not be able to be employed if you dont have this so will be wasting your time coming here without those hours.This apparently in response to the very many expats going to Indonesia to gain some jet time, or time on type to qualify for more lucrative jobs back home etc.
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Official ? Since?
I've just been told that the expat crew cannot exceed 10% of the total crew numbers on type. I guess just as it's all getting clear again, something else comes into the fray!
I've just been told that the expat crew cannot exceed 10% of the total crew numbers on type. I guess just as it's all getting clear again, something else comes into the fray!
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I guess just as it's all getting clear again, something else comes into the fray!
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KAR,
I have been flown with less "performance" aircraft with 300/non EFIS and the Incoming gentlement comes with a better wages,flying with better MEL(???@#!!!better MEL...fuuiih) and special sector NO high obstacle routes and able to make direct call to someone if the aircraft has a discrepancies to fix.....It's a good Chain of situasional awareness according I used to get from the CRM in the past time.
Let's see what is going to be....
Offcourse the company taking the advantage disregard the situation is....
KAR...
otg
I have been flown with less "performance" aircraft with 300/non EFIS and the Incoming gentlement comes with a better wages,flying with better MEL(???@#!!!better MEL...fuuiih) and special sector NO high obstacle routes and able to make direct call to someone if the aircraft has a discrepancies to fix.....It's a good Chain of situasional awareness according I used to get from the CRM in the past time.
Let's see what is going to be....
Offcourse the company taking the advantage disregard the situation is....
KAR...
otg