Sia Cargo -voluntary No Pay Leave
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Sia Cargo -voluntary No Pay Leave
hot off the press SIA cargo issues notice for pilots to consider-involuntary no pay leave.
period- 18/24/30 months
excess by 22 captain and 36 first officers.
secondment to great wall AL/rishworth and Air India
well what have they done to us.............
some new intakes have been cancelled and training stopped.
WHY WERE THE RECRUITING IN THE EXCESS WHEN WE HAD THE CADRE.
this is not all the statement also mentions "........the company will review its stratergy of reducing excess crew members in early 2009.An update circular shall be sent in the new year"
No bonus for sure.
period- 18/24/30 months
excess by 22 captain and 36 first officers.
secondment to great wall AL/rishworth and Air India
well what have they done to us.............
some new intakes have been cancelled and training stopped.
WHY WERE THE RECRUITING IN THE EXCESS WHEN WE HAD THE CADRE.
this is not all the statement also mentions "........the company will review its stratergy of reducing excess crew members in early 2009.An update circular shall be sent in the new year"
No bonus for sure.
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Sia Cargo Turns Turtle
it is a grave situation compared to the meeting held for the crew on the 24th november,which stated no retrenchment or no pay leave etc.
the bonds shall continue to run until your last date whether your in or out. your money is theirs still got hold of, by your NUTS!!!!!!!!!!
this is the result of poor planning and over recruitment which went on till the last 2 months.what do you expect the new guys were sent home even before they started the course.call that a shell shocker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no change over to the mainline they too are over the limits but thats their prized cash cow so we have to take the hit. the fleet is downsized from the present 14 to 10 aircraft. 2 leave for GWL and 2 as standby.
operations(SOP) have turned hectic, shut no 3 engine for taxi,flap 25 landings, full CLB after T/O no derate, CI=0 then in CRZ to 50 bloody confusing.
crew utilisation is very low due inefficient rostering.
well not a good time to be in WSSS but we will have to wait and see.i am sure the lads are nervy. first to go will be the 60's group, then the SAS lads who are on secondment, then the trouble makers then the bottom of the pile.we all hope it does not come to this.
however arrangements are made to join GWL /AI thru rushworth.
rumour has it full implementation is in feb 2009. well brace for it boys.it gonna be a a rocky drive.
the bonds shall continue to run until your last date whether your in or out. your money is theirs still got hold of, by your NUTS!!!!!!!!!!
this is the result of poor planning and over recruitment which went on till the last 2 months.what do you expect the new guys were sent home even before they started the course.call that a shell shocker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no change over to the mainline they too are over the limits but thats their prized cash cow so we have to take the hit. the fleet is downsized from the present 14 to 10 aircraft. 2 leave for GWL and 2 as standby.
operations(SOP) have turned hectic, shut no 3 engine for taxi,flap 25 landings, full CLB after T/O no derate, CI=0 then in CRZ to 50 bloody confusing.
crew utilisation is very low due inefficient rostering.
well not a good time to be in WSSS but we will have to wait and see.i am sure the lads are nervy. first to go will be the 60's group, then the SAS lads who are on secondment, then the trouble makers then the bottom of the pile.we all hope it does not come to this.
however arrangements are made to join GWL /AI thru rushworth.
rumour has it full implementation is in feb 2009. well brace for it boys.it gonna be a a rocky drive.
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Panic Stations
Man The Life Rafts...the boat is sinking.....
Ok so let me see if I have got it right...
They asking for Volunteers for No Paid Leave...
Who dont know if they still got a job after the leave runs out because that is not guaranteed
Who are supposed to keep their own licences current to ensure they can come back to a job, if one still exists for them
Who have their work passes cancelled so dont have any legal right to work in Singapore
Who are still bonded to the company even though they dont work for them anymore
Who will have to let the company hold their bank guarantees even though they are not in their employ
Who basically get nothing but a vague promise of maybe a job in the future
Wow lets see how many guys would sign up for this....all the best SINCARGO
Ok so let me see if I have got it right...
They asking for Volunteers for No Paid Leave...
Who dont know if they still got a job after the leave runs out because that is not guaranteed
Who are supposed to keep their own licences current to ensure they can come back to a job, if one still exists for them
Who have their work passes cancelled so dont have any legal right to work in Singapore
Who are still bonded to the company even though they dont work for them anymore
Who will have to let the company hold their bank guarantees even though they are not in their employ
Who basically get nothing but a vague promise of maybe a job in the future
Wow lets see how many guys would sign up for this....all the best SINCARGO
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Have you seen the state of the cargo by air industry lately? Spinning down like a top! Airlines failing by the day...As an company it would be irresponsible to do nothing...in this case SIA Cargo is trying to survive a catastrophic economy by offering to voluntarily reduce its workforce...what other options would you propose? How about they simply can your butt and wave goodbye? Think before you act...this option might save your job if another of your brother pilots accepts...nice to see that Cargo Jock can only see the shyte here...
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Lefty, They have made this option such a no brainer that no one will take it. Then they can fire drivers, which they really want to do, with their hand over the heart saying " But we really did try to help you" SIA always has to win outright, they don't believe in win win situations.
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I guess this is part and parcel of being a line staff. Its something that the veterans are always aware of, but probably not familiar to the new pilots - that the pilot's career is not as glamorous as they always see. In situations like this, when the company is not doing well - the line staff will understandably go first. and because the pilot is just doing a routine job of flying the plane from point A to point B, there is not much value add to consider retaining a pilot during economic downturns. Its different with talent in the Corporate world who is sought after their brains, not their hands.
Most important to pilots are - live a reasonably humble lifestyle and don't be tempted to think that they belong to an elitist bunch (thus the accompanying lifestyle). Therefore, when times are bad - they don't end up at the wrong end of a long debt list, and a relatively lower wage.
Most important to pilots are - live a reasonably humble lifestyle and don't be tempted to think that they belong to an elitist bunch (thus the accompanying lifestyle). Therefore, when times are bad - they don't end up at the wrong end of a long debt list, and a relatively lower wage.
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Sia Cargo -voluntary No Pay Leave
is it true or rumours?? a friend of me is flying for SinCargo, and he never heard this and "Bussiness as usual" in SinCargo, Singapore is rich country in South East Asia, slowing down might be possible but to terminate contract hope they don't do it
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EchoPapa, What planet are you from!!
‘and because the pilot is just doing a routine job of flying the plane from point A to point B, there is not much value add to consider retaining a pilot during economic downturns. Its different with talent in the Corporate world who is sought after their brains, not their hands’
Is this how you think about your collegues, that they have no brains. Who do you think got the world into the mess it is in at the moment. Yes, that’s right. The greedy corporate world with their ‘brains’ that you so much admire.
If we are not to retain pilot’s, then lets just get rid of all the planes too.
Jeez mate, you need an attitude check. Best go back to the cadet pages, where most of your posts are from you silly individual!!!
‘and because the pilot is just doing a routine job of flying the plane from point A to point B, there is not much value add to consider retaining a pilot during economic downturns. Its different with talent in the Corporate world who is sought after their brains, not their hands’
Is this how you think about your collegues, that they have no brains. Who do you think got the world into the mess it is in at the moment. Yes, that’s right. The greedy corporate world with their ‘brains’ that you so much admire.
If we are not to retain pilot’s, then lets just get rid of all the planes too.
Jeez mate, you need an attitude check. Best go back to the cadet pages, where most of your posts are from you silly individual!!!
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Management Spy
EchoPapa, sounds like a management Sympathizer.
Careful with your comments before a Lynching mob comes for you.
Giving u a good A@#$ whoopin..
Just Bend over to receive your 'present'
Careful with your comments before a Lynching mob comes for you.
Giving u a good A@#$ whoopin..
Just Bend over to receive your 'present'
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i personally think leave without pay is a face saving trick SinCargo is trying to pull to avoid having 'retrenchment' word being used again in SIA's history. by sending pilots away till their contract runs out will simply render them having fulfilled their contract with Sincargo, thus the company doesnt have to set precedence of contract write off.
what do you guys think?
what do you guys think?
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Think? I know it's a standard employment method that's been used by countless companies (not just airlines) for many years...I don't know what the fuss is about! 
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The process of re-activating previous company pilots is much quicker than employing new ones and training them from scratch, it also leaves SIA with some liability I would have thought?
I, like many others, hope the current downturn will soon reach bottom and start up wards again, then air cargo should improve too. If SIA really didn't think that the market was going to improve more in the short term than the long term I doubt they would have any hesitation in giving people their notice.
Don't forget that SIA have very substantial cash reserves measured in billions and could afford to keep their entire work force on paid leave for quite some time, it just isn't 'Their Way' if they can get people to take unpaid leave then they consider it a 'win' - Bean Counters prevail, remember? Just how bad are the Terms and Conditions of unpaid leave and has anyone tried negotiation?
I, like many others, hope the current downturn will soon reach bottom and start up wards again, then air cargo should improve too. If SIA really didn't think that the market was going to improve more in the short term than the long term I doubt they would have any hesitation in giving people their notice.
Don't forget that SIA have very substantial cash reserves measured in billions and could afford to keep their entire work force on paid leave for quite some time, it just isn't 'Their Way' if they can get people to take unpaid leave then they consider it a 'win' - Bean Counters prevail, remember? Just how bad are the Terms and Conditions of unpaid leave and has anyone tried negotiation?
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i don't mean to offend anyone, but i'm not so certain whats making u angry - me or the fact that the truth hurts.
its when we realize who we are in the overall scheme of things, then we will be prudent and humble.
its when we realize who we are in the overall scheme of things, then we will be prudent and humble.
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echopapa said:
"I believe its more policy that a candidate has to wait a minimum of 6mths between interviews. Don't be too sad, as this time can be translated into a lot of self reflection, improvement and also try to get some renewed sense of belief in yourself.
If you have read my earlier posts, I have gone for first interview 3 times, still not successful..but not givin up as yet.
It doesn't matter if its not meant to be, but as long as they are still keen to give me a shot at the interview, I will try. So don't u feel too disheartened."
Kid,who the he!! do you think, you are? Santa Claus or may be Santa Clown ?
Get lost and do some self reflection, smarty!
"I believe its more policy that a candidate has to wait a minimum of 6mths between interviews. Don't be too sad, as this time can be translated into a lot of self reflection, improvement and also try to get some renewed sense of belief in yourself.
If you have read my earlier posts, I have gone for first interview 3 times, still not successful..but not givin up as yet.
It doesn't matter if its not meant to be, but as long as they are still keen to give me a shot at the interview, I will try. So don't u feel too disheartened."
Kid,who the he!! do you think, you are? Santa Claus or may be Santa Clown ?
Get lost and do some self reflection, smarty!