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maybe no one is applying to Oz.
I'm with Parc, got all the agency info on the screening. Was looking for info from someone from inside, that had already gone through the interview.
I'm with Parc, got all the agency info on the screening. Was looking for info from someone from inside, that had already gone through the interview.
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Why would anyone apply! The conditions are superior at Korean Air!
The management in Asiana don't seem to get it. I think if you have a heart beat and a Pilots Licence they will take anyone. I also don't see things improving here due to the parent company being in such a financial mess. They are bleeding Asiana for every cent they make.
Unless you're currently unemployed.....don't come here!!
The management in Asiana don't seem to get it. I think if you have a heart beat and a Pilots Licence they will take anyone. I also don't see things improving here due to the parent company being in such a financial mess. They are bleeding Asiana for every cent they make.
Unless you're currently unemployed.....don't come here!!
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Company morale is at a low point. Expats have no sick leave; your pay is docked, so usually you fly sick if you can get on the airplane. The Korean pilots here have a different system, but they loss money too, so they fly sick. One expat got food poisoning in BKK and hospitalized. The company called him at the hospital, asked him to leave and fly the airplane back to Seoul as he was still doubled up in pain, dehydrated and still having vomiting spasms. He told them politely to stick that unsafe idea where the sun doesn’t shine and was docked not for the missed flight segment, but for all the days until his next flight. He was not singled out, they do that docking to every pilot who sicks out. At Asiana the entire cabin staff of a flight are ALL punish if one of their team members calls in sick, even before the flight. Therefore, unless in a hospital or dead they come to work so not to have their colleagues punished. They get demerit points that affect their career progression. In Korean culture it seems that many do not to cover ones month when they sneeze. Watch out on the public transportation or in close quarters. It’s usually a left to right big broadcast sneeze or cough.
Asiana is making money with most of their flights full, but the parent company, Kumho has had a couple other divisions losing millions. So every member company of Kumho takes a hit for the bad decisions of some other member company executives. Almost everyone one at Asiana has been forced to take a month leave without pay. The cabin staff have been over 300 short each month and working their tails off. They very tired, some sick, fatigued and it is beginning to show in their previous award winning cabin service. The expats have been offered (strongly encouraged) to participate in this leave program. On fleets with a few surplus pilots, they call you and ask when are you going to participate in this voluntary program.
Like EVYJET said, “Unless you're currently unemployed.....don’t come here!!”
More later about the culture.
Asiana is making money with most of their flights full, but the parent company, Kumho has had a couple other divisions losing millions. So every member company of Kumho takes a hit for the bad decisions of some other member company executives. Almost everyone one at Asiana has been forced to take a month leave without pay. The cabin staff have been over 300 short each month and working their tails off. They very tired, some sick, fatigued and it is beginning to show in their previous award winning cabin service. The expats have been offered (strongly encouraged) to participate in this leave program. On fleets with a few surplus pilots, they call you and ask when are you going to participate in this voluntary program.
Like EVYJET said, “Unless you're currently unemployed.....don’t come here!!”
More later about the culture.
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As "evyjet and I am here" have said this is not a pretty picture. I will be leaving soon with Korea a fond memory in my rear view mirror. The women were trim and not fat and most as they would said open minded. With the culture here and cut backs things are really in the toilet. London hotel LHR at the airport now and SYD to change soon all for being a team player with the Kumho debacle . BS.
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I am here, it is so typical of the type of you. Take the job and when no one is watching bad mouth the very company that puts food on your table. My question to you sir/lady is why hold on to a position that you despise so much a position that would have been otherwise filled by someone who doesn't bitch and moan, and would rather enjoy working there at Asiana. Why can't you get your overrated hinee out of there and back to where ever the heck it belongs. Trust me you'll be doing us all a favor by freeing up the spot.http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/.../eusa_wall.gif
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Now you know why they need expat pilots in Korea. To your question Fullforward, I think Flyaboy09 is probably a new FO whose dream is just like most Koreans, to migrate and live in the Great USA, where his limited English will require him to google translate his views (they would have loved to death if this is available for them to communicate with ATC). And truly, they will remind you in the flight deck that you should count your lucky stars that you're taken in and fly with one of the best airlines in the world. Well please don't ask where they got it from, but everything in Korea is the best ok.
They do have the point there though, if you ain't happy, you should just NOT apply or resign. So, for anyone interested in joining any carrier in Korea; learn to like the long silence if you're in the long haul and be prepared to be told off.
They do have the point there though, if you ain't happy, you should just NOT apply or resign. So, for anyone interested in joining any carrier in Korea; learn to like the long silence if you're in the long haul and be prepared to be told off.
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Just been called for screening for B747-400 FO based in Seoul. I was wondering if any guys that go there on the FO contract get the opportunity to upgrade at Asiana ? I asked the recruiter but they wouldn't say yes or no.
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Upgrades in Asiana?? Not a chance!
Sorry guys, but in Korea that's the way it is. If you're waiting or hoping it will change, I suggest learning more about Korean Culture and the rate at which things change here. You will save yourself years of frustration!
Sorry guys, but in Korea that's the way it is. If you're waiting or hoping it will change, I suggest learning more about Korean Culture and the rate at which things change here. You will save yourself years of frustration!
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Flyaboy
I was going to chime in, but evyjet said my sentiments. A foreign pilot F/O upgrade in Korea will not happen in his life time. Sorry t_jet. Just like they will not hire a woman DEC.
As far as you, Flyaboy, fullforward and 777v330 have you pegged. (interpret this). All the expats and Ab Initio F/O's know who "I am here" is at OZ or AAR. You must be a ring knocker who is really not a level 4 in English. You know what I am talking about.
"I am here" is playing the game and has learned to adapt to a Sh**ty situation and does not "bitch and moan". He has just stated the not so popular facts. Nobody, but maybe you enjoy working for Asiana. It is just a job. Kool-aid is everywhere, so swallow it. The Korean culture has wonderful and positive good sides, but is not indicative or adequate for any CRM if it even exists at Asiana. I know he will not leave for your convenience, so live with it. He will even let you fly a leg that is not ICN inbound and you might even learn something about flying airplanes from him that is outside of SOP.
So enjoy your meal Mr. K**
Asiana, from what I have been told has not been able to attract or recruit any Western (first language English pilots). There must be a reason. What do you think?
As far as you, Flyaboy, fullforward and 777v330 have you pegged. (interpret this). All the expats and Ab Initio F/O's know who "I am here" is at OZ or AAR. You must be a ring knocker who is really not a level 4 in English. You know what I am talking about.
"I am here" is playing the game and has learned to adapt to a Sh**ty situation and does not "bitch and moan". He has just stated the not so popular facts. Nobody, but maybe you enjoy working for Asiana. It is just a job. Kool-aid is everywhere, so swallow it. The Korean culture has wonderful and positive good sides, but is not indicative or adequate for any CRM if it even exists at Asiana. I know he will not leave for your convenience, so live with it. He will even let you fly a leg that is not ICN inbound and you might even learn something about flying airplanes from him that is outside of SOP.
So enjoy your meal Mr. K**
Asiana, from what I have been told has not been able to attract or recruit any Western (first language English pilots). There must be a reason. What do you think?
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"Asiana, from what I have been told has not been able to attract or recruit any Western (first language English pilots). There must be a reason. What do you think?"
not quite, of the 2 320 DEC that completed trng a couple of weeks ago, one was european.
Two 77 DEC are about to complete their trng, both european, another "westerner" just joined.
Sure their application box ain't as full as that in Kal, they might be going for "quality" instead of "quantity":-))
"Asiana, from what I have been told has not been able to attract or recruit any Western (first language English pilots). There must be a reason. What do you think?"
not quite, of the 2 320 DEC that completed trng a couple of weeks ago, one was european.
Two 77 DEC are about to complete their trng, both european, another "westerner" just joined.
Sure their application box ain't as full as that in Kal, they might be going for "quality" instead of "quantity":-))
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"they might be going for "quality" instead of "quantity""
Are you
kidding?? HAHAHA
And AquiElJefe stated "first language english pilots". The gentlemen you refer to are NOT first language English Pilots!! There are very few of them, and most will be gone very soon!
"they might be going for "quality" instead of "quantity""
Are you
kidding?? HAHAHAAnd AquiElJefe stated "first language english pilots". The gentlemen you refer to are NOT first language English Pilots!! There are very few of them, and most will be gone very soon!
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60 West,
I hadn't heard or followed the narrow body airplanes, so I may stand corrected. As evyjet re-iterated "First Language English" Only European country I know of is UK and Ireland that first language is English. The new Europeans are not from there. Where is the Westerner guy from that you mentioned?
I hadn't heard or followed the narrow body airplanes, so I may stand corrected. As evyjet re-iterated "First Language English" Only European country I know of is UK and Ireland that first language is English. The new Europeans are not from there. Where is the Westerner guy from that you mentioned?
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Hi all:
Any actual 777 drivers with Asiana? I might be looking to move on next year. I've seen only rishworth advertise for 777 in Asiana, and I would not like to talk to them. Parc looks like the better choice but nothing there on 777.
Would very much appreciate info on their package. As for the commuting, planning to base the family in Thailand. Grateful for any objective info
Any actual 777 drivers with Asiana? I might be looking to move on next year. I've seen only rishworth advertise for 777 in Asiana, and I would not like to talk to them. Parc looks like the better choice but nothing there on 777.
Would very much appreciate info on their package. As for the commuting, planning to base the family in Thailand. Grateful for any objective info
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With KAL being sued by local pilots unon, I am now seriously looking at Asiana, B747-4.
Appreciate heads up on interview process, flt scheds, management and Asiana attitudes toward expats.
Considering living in Seoul for a few years, is this a good idea ?
Thanks guys.
Appreciate heads up on interview process, flt scheds, management and Asiana attitudes toward expats.
Considering living in Seoul for a few years, is this a good idea ?
Thanks guys.
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Korean MTLM (Ministry for Transport bla-di-blah) rejected Work-Visa for westerners!
latest news from Seoul:
Korean MTLM (Ministry for Transport bla-di-blah) rejected Work-Visas for westerners - who have already been gone through the multi-stage selection process: Interview, SIM-screening, psychometrics, medical checks done, plus passed the dreadful Korean Air-Law-Exam;
now it seems, that the MTLM has succumbered under the increasing pressure from the KAL union pilots - and refused a whole course of B 777 skippers (recruited via Parc and Rishworth) their work-visas!
Easy solution for ASIANA:
they wheeled the Skippers and F/O's (all rated and current on B 777) to the airport / next flight out of the country - Sorry guys ! Hasta la vista !
Korean MTLM (Ministry for Transport bla-di-blah) rejected Work-Visas for westerners - who have already been gone through the multi-stage selection process: Interview, SIM-screening, psychometrics, medical checks done, plus passed the dreadful Korean Air-Law-Exam;
now it seems, that the MTLM has succumbered under the increasing pressure from the KAL union pilots - and refused a whole course of B 777 skippers (recruited via Parc and Rishworth) their work-visas!
Easy solution for ASIANA:
they wheeled the Skippers and F/O's (all rated and current on B 777) to the airport / next flight out of the country - Sorry guys ! Hasta la vista !
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