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Flying Oppurtunity for Low Time pilot
Whats are the Oppurtunity available in China for Low Time pilot (CPL with 250 hours). There is a demand for captains all over world but excess of low time pilots. As I feel the bridge from 250 hours to 2000 hours can equalize this demand and supply ratio.
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Hello,
In China it is difficult to find a job unless you are an experienced Captain. The reason is pilots are recruited from College by the airlines and the airlines pay and send them to flight school. The pilots complete their flight triaing with around 300 hours and a Commercial, Multi and Instrument rating. They then start flight training with the airline and mainly ride as a jumpseat cockpit observer and fly on occation with an instructor. They slowly build their flight time but is is a very slow process, resulting in the airlines running short Captains. That is the story for China.
They get thier pilots for very cheap, pay them very little and keep them for life. They are not allowed to quit. Remember China Eastern? The Chinese air carriers own their pilots and have there way with them, their quality of life is low.
To answer your question more directly there have been some instances of pilots getting jobs with low times. They need to be very young, a college grad and start as a so called cadet. Not in China but Korean Air and other air carriers offer this type of employment.
Check with airlines direcly and agencies to see those opportunites.
But once again for China I just don't think so.
Good Luck,
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In China it is difficult to find a job unless you are an experienced Captain. The reason is pilots are recruited from College by the airlines and the airlines pay and send them to flight school. The pilots complete their flight triaing with around 300 hours and a Commercial, Multi and Instrument rating. They then start flight training with the airline and mainly ride as a jumpseat cockpit observer and fly on occation with an instructor. They slowly build their flight time but is is a very slow process, resulting in the airlines running short Captains. That is the story for China.
They get thier pilots for very cheap, pay them very little and keep them for life. They are not allowed to quit. Remember China Eastern? The Chinese air carriers own their pilots and have there way with them, their quality of life is low.
To answer your question more directly there have been some instances of pilots getting jobs with low times. They need to be very young, a college grad and start as a so called cadet. Not in China but Korean Air and other air carriers offer this type of employment.
Check with airlines direcly and agencies to see those opportunites.
But once again for China I just don't think so.
Good Luck,
On Final
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here's one for you... was told by one recruiter that if I wanted to screen with them, I'd have to retake the chinese ATP since I took it,passed it and have an offer from another one...thanks but no thanks, I don't ever want to compute EPR performance #s again..not in this lifetime
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Hello,
I can't see why they would want you to retake the CAAC written exam if you already passed it. Are you sure no mis communication?
Take care,
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I can't see why they would want you to retake the CAAC written exam if you already passed it. Are you sure no mis communication?
Take care,
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CAAC ATPL Transferable
HI there,
If I am working as a Captain on a B-reg Bizjet and have a CAAC ATPL and I want to work for a Chinese airline will it be of any benefit?
Can one transfer their license?
I have Cruise Command time on an airline airframe and a Command type rating with no restrictions.
Thanks
If I am working as a Captain on a B-reg Bizjet and have a CAAC ATPL and I want to work for a Chinese airline will it be of any benefit?
Can one transfer their license?
I have Cruise Command time on an airline airframe and a Command type rating with no restrictions.
Thanks
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I currently fly B737 NG with over 2000 hrs command time and total 7300hrs.which airline is currently hiring,has better pay and treats pilots well?what kind of salary can I expect and is that good enough to bring my wife and baby along?
thanks in advance
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You can transfere your CAAC licence, but if your not type rated with time on type it might be difficult to get a job. It can also be difficult to transfere your licence because you need to Chinese labour buro to confirm that you no longer fly for your old company and that your contract is cancelled (the so called realease letter from your current company). Its not the Chinese CAAC who do this like most people seem to think.
For 737NG jobs there are a few companies. Shanghai Airlines, Hainan (beijing based) and Okay airways. I'd recommend them in that order but i'd strongly recommend staying away from Okay. Also i've heared Xiamen might start recruiting in the future.
Also there are a few foreign FO's flying in China, if you can get introduced by someone its possible. If you dont have some relationship its practically impossible.
For 737NG jobs there are a few companies. Shanghai Airlines, Hainan (beijing based) and Okay airways. I'd recommend them in that order but i'd strongly recommend staying away from Okay. Also i've heared Xiamen might start recruiting in the future.
Also there are a few foreign FO's flying in China, if you can get introduced by someone its possible. If you dont have some relationship its practically impossible.
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If you want to work in China...!!
Fellow Pilots,
I would reccomend using caution before signing any AGENCY AGREEMENT in China which include work restrictions. In other words, contract language than would prohibit you working for any other airline in China. Some companies are requiring a 1 YEAR waiting period if you quit them. China Aviation Recruitment/VOR holdings is the one that restricts its pilots if you quit.
There are many other agencies out their that are much better that don't restrict your lively hood.
Good Luck,
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I would reccomend using caution before signing any AGENCY AGREEMENT in China which include work restrictions. In other words, contract language than would prohibit you working for any other airline in China. Some companies are requiring a 1 YEAR waiting period if you quit them. China Aviation Recruitment/VOR holdings is the one that restricts its pilots if you quit.
There are many other agencies out their that are much better that don't restrict your lively hood.
Good Luck,
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Attn: purple head / Are your flying for SAL???
For 737NG jobs there are many airlines recruiting foreign pilots, in China.
Pick one.
Good luck.
Pick one.
Good luck.
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From speaking to pilots i know at that company. Shanghai pilots seemed to have the least complaints. You don't have to work at a company to know if its good or bad and i've been working in China for almost 5 years now.....aviation is a small world, doesn't take much to ask around.
Also the post your are talking about is almost 1/2 a year old now.
Also the post your are talking about is almost 1/2 a year old now.
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Whats are the Oppurtunity available in China for Low Time pilot (CPL with 250 hours).
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i'm a first officer just getting ready for my up grade training at a new company I'm at my second company in China. Yeah like i'm sure i'd have lots of friends left if i posted names and e-mails etc....your obviously not happy in China... so leave, its simple. Of course, yes share your thoughts here so other people know what its like but don't come on and attack me. You obviously have a drum to beat so beat it if it makes you happy, i agree with most of what you say- unlike what you think i have never said China is great. Yes i know many pilots who are not happy in China, and i have never said Shanghai was a great company to work for - i answered a question regarding 737 companies. I just said it seems to be better than the others that offer jobs on 737's. You don't have to be very good to be better that terrible and i know from personal experience that one of the companies i named was and is a joke to work at. Out of about 30 ex-pat pilots who worked there in the past 3 or so years only about 5 are left that figure talks for itself.
Anyway CPTBB once again you might want to look again at what i wrote and not what you want to read. show me where i painted a rosy picture??? because working in China is certainly not rosy. For me at this stage of my life its a good place to be.I simply said that (from personal experience and asking around) that SAL seemed better than the other two. You filled in the blanks and assumed that i was saying China and SAL were a great place to work..... Will i still be here when i've been a captain for 5 years?.........to that question you can fill the blanks in and hopefully this time you will get the right answer. So take a chill pill, you think its bad as a captain, now imagine the S%$t i have put up with as a FO here......
Anyway CPTBB once again you might want to look again at what i wrote and not what you want to read. show me where i painted a rosy picture??? because working in China is certainly not rosy. For me at this stage of my life its a good place to be.I simply said that (from personal experience and asking around) that SAL seemed better than the other two. You filled in the blanks and assumed that i was saying China and SAL were a great place to work..... Will i still be here when i've been a captain for 5 years?.........to that question you can fill the blanks in and hopefully this time you will get the right answer. So take a chill pill, you think its bad as a captain, now imagine the S%$t i have put up with as a FO here......
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ReverseFlight, not sure if its true, but the more important question is will it make any difference? These days how many low hour foreigners are getting jobs in China? I would guess the number is some place between 0 and less than 1.
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More Advice Needed
First, cheers to all as I'm new to this forum!
Many of you seem to know the ins and outs of expat pilot jobs in asia. I'm an Air Force pilot (T-38/F-16) nearing retirement with 3100 total time all jet SE/ME but centerline, 2900 are PIC. I have no heavy experience. I am very interested in living and flying in asia...yeah, I just like it there. What is the best way for me to turn my experience, which I know ain't much for the airlines, into an FO job?
Any advice is appreciated so long as it's constructive (i.e. as much as you might want to say "run away" or "don't come to asia", please don't and instead give me advice on how to get a job so I can decide I hate it later!!!)
Ciao!
Many of you seem to know the ins and outs of expat pilot jobs in asia. I'm an Air Force pilot (T-38/F-16) nearing retirement with 3100 total time all jet SE/ME but centerline, 2900 are PIC. I have no heavy experience. I am very interested in living and flying in asia...yeah, I just like it there. What is the best way for me to turn my experience, which I know ain't much for the airlines, into an FO job?
Any advice is appreciated so long as it's constructive (i.e. as much as you might want to say "run away" or "don't come to asia", please don't and instead give me advice on how to get a job so I can decide I hate it later!!!)
Ciao!
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You're gonna need to get an entry level F.O. job in a jet which isn't easy at all. Most places require 500 hours on type in order to be considered ( even F.O. jobs ). You're best bet would be Cathay Pacific as a Second Officer, but I don't think they are hiring. Alternatively, and as much as I hate to say it, the only other way forward without spending a lot of time trying other routes is to buy a type rating in a B737 or A320 and then look into Air Macau, Tiger, or Air Asia.
Going to Asia as an F.O. is usually a dead end proposition outside of Cathay or Dragonair. Some of the Japanese contracts do upgrade. That said, they can be used as stepping stones to something better. A lot of guys have left right seat jobs at EVA, China Airlines, Air Macau, Tiger, et. al. to move to another carrier.
Really though, with your time and experience look at Fedex and UPS as the best options to have a good career and spend a lot of time in Asia. Until they hire again look at the second tier cargo airlines like Atlas, Southern, and Kalitta to name a few. Atlas and Southern were both recently hiring and Southern has contracts out of KL and Bangkok.
Singapore Cargo, Great Wall, and Jade Cargo are three more that have hired First Officers in the past.
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Going to Asia as an F.O. is usually a dead end proposition outside of Cathay or Dragonair. Some of the Japanese contracts do upgrade. That said, they can be used as stepping stones to something better. A lot of guys have left right seat jobs at EVA, China Airlines, Air Macau, Tiger, et. al. to move to another carrier.
Really though, with your time and experience look at Fedex and UPS as the best options to have a good career and spend a lot of time in Asia. Until they hire again look at the second tier cargo airlines like Atlas, Southern, and Kalitta to name a few. Atlas and Southern were both recently hiring and Southern has contracts out of KL and Bangkok.
Singapore Cargo, Great Wall, and Jade Cargo are three more that have hired First Officers in the past.
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Attn: Purple head / CAAC Regulations
RE: "Cpttb- see your private messages regarding one question you asked.
The regulations are available in English from the CAAC web page."
Thanks for message. Please will you provide a link. I can only find partial info in English on the CAAC web page.
The regulations are available in English from the CAAC web page."
Thanks for message. Please will you provide a link. I can only find partial info in English on the CAAC web page.
cptbb, the Porsches etc in the Cathay Pacific car park mainly belong to managers and a very small 'rump' of A-Scale crew still in the company. The yachts are mainly covered by housing allowance (as a substitute), which will not be paid to future pilots joining under the cadet scheme. The Aviator Bar in Tung Chung was mainly patronised by Oasis crew, and both that airline and the bar itself are long defunct.
As far as CX pilots being 'pompous pr%cks': of course, you don't sound like one yourself...much.
As far as CX pilots being 'pompous pr%cks': of course, you don't sound like one yourself...much.
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