If you want to work in China..!!
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Hi PanAm Lover,
You didn't do your homework. Read this thread. Yes, it is possible to fly for one of those single engined carriers (there a lot of), but it is hard because they can't really apply for a workvisa in China or something like that.. The majors can do that, but the local carriers not really. If you want to work for them you have to do all those things by yourself, they aren't doing that for you. I actually don't know the pay details. You have to go to China in yourself and check it out.. Maybe you can find something.. But I can guarantee you, over internet (e-mails) they won't come back to you, even the majors aren't!
You didn't do your homework. Read this thread. Yes, it is possible to fly for one of those single engined carriers (there a lot of), but it is hard because they can't really apply for a workvisa in China or something like that.. The majors can do that, but the local carriers not really. If you want to work for them you have to do all those things by yourself, they aren't doing that for you. I actually don't know the pay details. You have to go to China in yourself and check it out.. Maybe you can find something.. But I can guarantee you, over internet (e-mails) they won't come back to you, even the majors aren't!
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If I have to be true: no. I'm sorry. But I've already said, you have to go to China and look by yourself. Ask here on the threads, ask people who work in China, send them a personal message work hard, do your homework and get that job dude!
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Chinese Airlines Seek to Recruit Korean Pilots
Air China and other China-based airlines are eager to recruit experienced Korean pilots to meet surging air travel demand in the world's fastest growing economy, according to aviation industry officials Wednesday. The move is expected to further aggravate an already-dire pilot shortage here.
However, it appears that Korean Air, Asiana Airlines and low-cost carriers have yet to feel threatened by their Chinese rivals' move.
Industry officials said several Chinese airline firms held a job fair here recently to secure experienced pilots by offering high wages and generous benefits which may woo some of the pilots.
The starting annual salary for captains at the nation's two flagship carriers, Korean Air and Asiana, is about 120 million won (US$110,000). But Chinese airlines reportedly offered up to 170 million won, on top of housing subsidies and other benefits.
In a recent survey of 481 pilots at Korean Air conducted by their union, 72 percent, or 344, said they would quit and work for other airlines.
"It is no surprise that the majority of unionized pilots want to leave the nation's largest air carrier, given their low salary and poor benefits. Non-Korean pilots employed by Korean Air and pilots at foreign airlines make more money and receive more padded welfare packages," said Lee Kyu-nam, first vice president of the Korean Air Flight Crew Union.
Lee said there are many unionized Korean Air pilots interested in working for Chinese airlines because of this.
"Chinese airlines face a shortage of well-trained aviators as they put more airplanes into operation to meet rising air travel demand among Chinese tourists. Given the fact that most unionized Korean Air pilots are not happy with company management, I think many could quit and work for Chinese and other foreign carriers," he said.
An official at Asiana's Flight Crew Union echoed Lee's remarks, saying that many Asiana pilots have and will move to Chinese airlines.
"As far as I know, dozens of Asiana pilots have quit and now work for several Chinese carriers, including Air China, China Southern Airlines and Hainan Airlines. China is the world's black hole for all types of resources, including pilots," said the official, asking not to be named.
He then said Asiana management should come out with a range of measures to prevent its aviators from leaving, stressing it may face a severe pilot exodus.
However, Korean Air and Asiana managements have not taken the matter seriously, with both airlines saying that they will keep an eye on the situation.
"We have not detected any patterns that our pilots are moving to Chinese carriers en masse. But given China's booming aviation market, we will closely monitor the movements of Chinese airlines to check whether they attempt to recruit our manpower," a Korean Air spokesman said.
An Asiana spokesman also said the company will just monitor the situation closely for the time being. "It is true that some of our pilots have moved to Chinese carriers over the past few years. But it is nothing significant and there is no need to worry about it."
However, China's attempt to hire pilots currently working at domestic air carriers is expected to worsen an already-serious pilot shortage. Airlines here have been engaged in a fierce "recruitment war" for aviators as they face difficulty in finding qualified people to operate their growing number of aircraft.
Local airlines have added dozens of planes to their fleets over the past few years as more Koreans head overseas for leisure and other purposes.
Additionally, they are scheduled to put more aircraft into operation over the next few years in anticipation of continued growing travel demand, both inbound and outbound.
Korea Air currently has 2,550 pilots on its payroll, operating a fleet of 105 airplanes. It plans to hire 150 more this year as 18 new airplanes have been and will be introduced.
Asiana employs 1,176 pilots with a fleet of 74 aircraft and searches for well-trained pilots throughout the year.
However, it appears that Korean Air, Asiana Airlines and low-cost carriers have yet to feel threatened by their Chinese rivals' move.
Industry officials said several Chinese airline firms held a job fair here recently to secure experienced pilots by offering high wages and generous benefits which may woo some of the pilots.
The starting annual salary for captains at the nation's two flagship carriers, Korean Air and Asiana, is about 120 million won (US$110,000). But Chinese airlines reportedly offered up to 170 million won, on top of housing subsidies and other benefits.
In a recent survey of 481 pilots at Korean Air conducted by their union, 72 percent, or 344, said they would quit and work for other airlines.
"It is no surprise that the majority of unionized pilots want to leave the nation's largest air carrier, given their low salary and poor benefits. Non-Korean pilots employed by Korean Air and pilots at foreign airlines make more money and receive more padded welfare packages," said Lee Kyu-nam, first vice president of the Korean Air Flight Crew Union.
Lee said there are many unionized Korean Air pilots interested in working for Chinese airlines because of this.
"Chinese airlines face a shortage of well-trained aviators as they put more airplanes into operation to meet rising air travel demand among Chinese tourists. Given the fact that most unionized Korean Air pilots are not happy with company management, I think many could quit and work for Chinese and other foreign carriers," he said.
An official at Asiana's Flight Crew Union echoed Lee's remarks, saying that many Asiana pilots have and will move to Chinese airlines.
"As far as I know, dozens of Asiana pilots have quit and now work for several Chinese carriers, including Air China, China Southern Airlines and Hainan Airlines. China is the world's black hole for all types of resources, including pilots," said the official, asking not to be named.
He then said Asiana management should come out with a range of measures to prevent its aviators from leaving, stressing it may face a severe pilot exodus.
However, Korean Air and Asiana managements have not taken the matter seriously, with both airlines saying that they will keep an eye on the situation.
"We have not detected any patterns that our pilots are moving to Chinese carriers en masse. But given China's booming aviation market, we will closely monitor the movements of Chinese airlines to check whether they attempt to recruit our manpower," a Korean Air spokesman said.
An Asiana spokesman also said the company will just monitor the situation closely for the time being. "It is true that some of our pilots have moved to Chinese carriers over the past few years. But it is nothing significant and there is no need to worry about it."
However, China's attempt to hire pilots currently working at domestic air carriers is expected to worsen an already-serious pilot shortage. Airlines here have been engaged in a fierce "recruitment war" for aviators as they face difficulty in finding qualified people to operate their growing number of aircraft.
Local airlines have added dozens of planes to their fleets over the past few years as more Koreans head overseas for leisure and other purposes.
Additionally, they are scheduled to put more aircraft into operation over the next few years in anticipation of continued growing travel demand, both inbound and outbound.
Korea Air currently has 2,550 pilots on its payroll, operating a fleet of 105 airplanes. It plans to hire 150 more this year as 18 new airplanes have been and will be introduced.
Asiana employs 1,176 pilots with a fleet of 74 aircraft and searches for well-trained pilots throughout the year.
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Originally Posted by japanam
Air China and other China-based airlines are eager to recruit experienced Korean pilots to meet surging air travel demand in the world's fastest growing economy, according to aviation industry officials Wednesday. The move is expected to further aggravate an already-dire pilot shortage here.
There are many jobless Korean pilots in Indonesia. If the China's market is that good, I do not see why these Koreans are still hunting high & low for jobs.
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Local airlines have added dozens of planes to their fleets over the past few years as more Koreans head overseas for leisure and other purposes.
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Maybe I was not clear enough:
As far as I know, if the sim is successful the examiner fill the report and forward it directly to the airline but will not give me a copy. It is the same situation at CAAC ATPL written test.
The question is what to do to have a copy of the report if I pass the sim.
As far as I know, if the sim is successful the examiner fill the report and forward it directly to the airline but will not give me a copy. It is the same situation at CAAC ATPL written test.
The question is what to do to have a copy of the report if I pass the sim.
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If you are talking about the selection sim(first sim),then indeed the examinor may not let you know if you passed.In that case the agency will let you know,there are no forms as it is a selection sim.
When you pass this one,youll get to do the atpl written test,the results are immediate.
Then the CAAC sim chec for licence issue,you will be told if you pass or not after the sim,the examinor will fill in the form as it now considered an LPC.
No need to try to bribe,they make look at you and laugh if you try ,,,in the best case.
When you pass this one,youll get to do the atpl written test,the results are immediate.
Then the CAAC sim chec for licence issue,you will be told if you pass or not after the sim,the examinor will fill in the form as it now considered an LPC.
No need to try to bribe,they make look at you and laugh if you try ,,,in the best case.
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OK, thanks.
I am talking about the first sim, but the agency said it could be a CAAC sim check as well. Plus a friend of mine had passed the ATPL but only the airline had the report, later on he failed, applied for another airline who asked him to present this report.
I am talking about the first sim, but the agency said it could be a CAAC sim check as well. Plus a friend of mine had passed the ATPL but only the airline had the report, later on he failed, applied for another airline who asked him to present this report.
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Sim Check
Fellow Pilots,
Here is the scoop regarding sim checks for China.
If you are just taking a new company sim evaluation with a company check pilot (not Caac) it is not so serious. If you fail, but show good Captain skills you still may be considered. If the company tells you no thanks, no big deal, just look for another airlines.
One the other hand, if it is a company check, evaluation with an official CAAC check it is very serious. Basically if you fail, and it is documented by the CAAC as far as I know you can NEVER work in China.
This is why pilots need to be careful which airline they go to work in China. Best to go where your friends are so they can put a good word in for you to smooth things out. If you go to some new start ups it is very riskey and I will stay away from that move.
If you are not sure if it is a company evauation you need to verify in advance what type of check you will take.
I hope this helps.
Good Luck,
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Here is the scoop regarding sim checks for China.
If you are just taking a new company sim evaluation with a company check pilot (not Caac) it is not so serious. If you fail, but show good Captain skills you still may be considered. If the company tells you no thanks, no big deal, just look for another airlines.
One the other hand, if it is a company check, evaluation with an official CAAC check it is very serious. Basically if you fail, and it is documented by the CAAC as far as I know you can NEVER work in China.
This is why pilots need to be careful which airline they go to work in China. Best to go where your friends are so they can put a good word in for you to smooth things out. If you go to some new start ups it is very riskey and I will stay away from that move.
If you are not sure if it is a company evauation you need to verify in advance what type of check you will take.
I hope this helps.
Good Luck,
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Sim Check in China
Just heard about a new CAAC rule (China). If you fail a CAAC sim evaluation you will NOT be allowed to fly for ANY other Chinese carrier. I've heard this from more than one source.... anyone else heard this?
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That has always been the case - I don't know anyone working with us that failed the simulator evaluation. They will, however, let you sit the ATPL exam as many times as it takes but are less forgiving with the medical. Should you fail the medical you may have to undergo some intrusive examinations by the CAAC doctors in order to pass. That will be your decision at the end of the day.
