In praise of Singapore Airlines Cargo!
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In praise of Singapore Airlines Cargo!
Fly 50 hrs a month (if you're unlucky). Lots of flts these days augmented or double crew; (sometimes 3 pilots to fly between DXB & SIN?!). Long layovers in-(take your pick of exotic nightstops across the world, be it LAX, JNB, CPH, ANC, ORD or AKL etc,etc). 2 week pattern, 4 operating sectors.
Sure, the roster gets disrupted now and again,(actually, pretty often these days-all in the name of making money), but then life's got to have a few drawbacks. Fixed days OFF (additional to normal off days) are untouchable. Staff travel on the freighter. I call it a retirement job.
The bottom line is- despite all this, they made enough money to pay almost 6 months profit share bonus this year. Maybe not so good next time around, but hey-it beats working for a living.
. (In case you're wondering -No, I'm not in management).
B744 is still the Queen of the Skies; just a pity that, with the latest Cost Index, we are now forced to slow down and fly at the same speed as the rest of the masses, (well, almost).
Sure, the roster gets disrupted now and again,(actually, pretty often these days-all in the name of making money), but then life's got to have a few drawbacks. Fixed days OFF (additional to normal off days) are untouchable. Staff travel on the freighter. I call it a retirement job.
The bottom line is- despite all this, they made enough money to pay almost 6 months profit share bonus this year. Maybe not so good next time around, but hey-it beats working for a living.
. (In case you're wondering -No, I'm not in management).B744 is still the Queen of the Skies; just a pity that, with the latest Cost Index, we are now forced to slow down and fly at the same speed as the rest of the masses, (well, almost).
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I would second the gentlemen above. Same here for the parent company, with a stable roster though. Great job, happy mates. I hate seeing the fuel going through the roof. Might hurt our 6 month bonus next year.
Keep the blue side up and happy landings mates!
Same here for the parent company, with a stable roster though. Great job, happy mates. I hate seeing the fuel going through the roof. Might hurt our 6 month bonus next year. Keep the blue side up and happy landings mates!
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Captain Charlie Charlie will be most happy to hear the three views above and will naturally extrapolate that ALL his minions feel the same way.
I respect the above opinions in regards to SIA Cargo. I hope you will respect mine:
It's a bit easier to forgive the negatives of a job, the false promises and outright misrepresentations when just within the last week, a $60,000+ deposit was made to one's account. For many I suppose that makes everything okay. I for one, would give up that profit sharing deposit for work rules that are pilot friendly and would force the company to provide us with more roster stability and control over our work lives, which has a direct influence over our private lives. If all one cares about is the annual total on the IR8E, then it's a good place to work. Come on down. But, if your private family life is at least as important to you as your compensation, you are in for a rude awakening. And that wake up call will come after forking over $56,000 in cash and signing a "mortgage" for $142,000.
PQ
I respect the above opinions in regards to SIA Cargo. I hope you will respect mine:
It's a bit easier to forgive the negatives of a job, the false promises and outright misrepresentations when just within the last week, a $60,000+ deposit was made to one's account. For many I suppose that makes everything okay. I for one, would give up that profit sharing deposit for work rules that are pilot friendly and would force the company to provide us with more roster stability and control over our work lives, which has a direct influence over our private lives. If all one cares about is the annual total on the IR8E, then it's a good place to work. Come on down. But, if your private family life is at least as important to you as your compensation, you are in for a rude awakening. And that wake up call will come after forking over $56,000 in cash and signing a "mortgage" for $142,000.
PQ
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Oh yes, forgot to mention; Positioning (fairly regular). usually (but not always) in First class. Singapore girl's brief? Make sure the Dom Perignon (or Krug should you prefer), keeps flowing. Say no more!
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1) I like living in singapore, as does my family!
2) The perfect airline (where everyone is always happy) doesn't exist! Actually, it does, in the mind of the person who left their previous airline. (Just ask them)!
3) SQC is the best for me and my family. Doesn't mean it's the best for you. I don't begrudge you leaving for what you think is a better job for you. Please don't begrudge me for being happy in Singapore.
4) Instability is part of cago flying, combined with a formation of a new airline (yes, SQC is new. It's new in that it's being operated quasi-independently from SQ) and you have unstable schedules. Progress is being made but it will never be US legacy carrier QOL. In fact, for those who haven't noticed the good ole days are over at US legacy carriers!
5)As I see it, the main competition either isn't hiring DECs(Emirates, Jet Airways) or the main attraction (commuting contract, ie KAL) doesn't interest me. If it interests you, best of luck! Go for it!
2) The perfect airline (where everyone is always happy) doesn't exist! Actually, it does, in the mind of the person who left their previous airline. (Just ask them)!
3) SQC is the best for me and my family. Doesn't mean it's the best for you. I don't begrudge you leaving for what you think is a better job for you. Please don't begrudge me for being happy in Singapore.
4) Instability is part of cago flying, combined with a formation of a new airline (yes, SQC is new. It's new in that it's being operated quasi-independently from SQ) and you have unstable schedules. Progress is being made but it will never be US legacy carrier QOL. In fact, for those who haven't noticed the good ole days are over at US legacy carriers!
5)As I see it, the main competition either isn't hiring DECs(Emirates, Jet Airways) or the main attraction (commuting contract, ie KAL) doesn't interest me. If it interests you, best of luck! Go for it!
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Well...guess you can't please everybody...It's working for me and the family, yes we had to adjust but that goes for lots of places and jobs! Right now I'm enjoying steady days off, thanks to a change in how we are rostered...and mostly steady flying, with some disruptions, good and bad. It goes with the kind of work this company does. Oh well! My family and I have learned to live with and accept that. Thanks for the profit share, I don't expect it, but it will go towards something important. Other than that, it's the weekend, the beer is chilling, I don't have to work til tomorrow, vacation is just around the corner, so I think I'll enjoy today! 
Cheers
LC
Cheers
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How is SIA Cargo now?
Hi folks, after having seen a thread not too long ago about how SIAC was in shambles with horrible rosters, lack of flying and low salaries, could anyone shed some light on whether these things have improved now and how things would look like in the future?
Is SIAC an airline worth joining and how does the future look for it?
Is SIAC an airline worth joining and how does the future look for it?
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Impossible to answer that one for you HP.
Its a deeply personal issue based on what you have now, what you expect and hope for the future and how flexible you and your family can be when adapting to change and living in a 'foreign' country.
FWIW, We are long term expats (came from another asian carrier) and we weren't too impressed for the first year or so but there have been improvements recently. Still a long way to go though.
Its a deeply personal issue based on what you have now, what you expect and hope for the future and how flexible you and your family can be when adapting to change and living in a 'foreign' country.
FWIW, We are long term expats (came from another asian carrier) and we weren't too impressed for the first year or so but there have been improvements recently. Still a long way to go though.
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This job, great as it sounds, is designed for we old timers. Senior First Officer somewhere else? Don't come here. Yes, it is nice flying the jumbo around the world, but you'd be wasting your time (literally). Head for the sandpit and hopefully those 4 bars, (recession permitting). because it won't happen in SIAC anytime soon.
I do feel sorry for the young (national) F/O's who are getting 1 handling sector a week, if they're lucky; (make that -two a month, some tell me). But then, with the relaxed flying schedule, it can be a bit of a struggle for all of us to stay current. SIAC rules (unlike other operators) quite conservative on this; (min 1 landing in 28 days for Captains). Surprising as it may sound, this is a constant ongoing battle. Have had to go back to the sim quite a few times for a "recency" session.
I do feel sorry for the young (national) F/O's who are getting 1 handling sector a week, if they're lucky; (make that -two a month, some tell me). But then, with the relaxed flying schedule, it can be a bit of a struggle for all of us to stay current. SIAC rules (unlike other operators) quite conservative on this; (min 1 landing in 28 days for Captains). Surprising as it may sound, this is a constant ongoing battle. Have had to go back to the sim quite a few times for a "recency" session.
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Yes, come on down. Things are "miles" better now and the Dom and Krug is flowing in the "mostly" first class positioning!!! NOT.
The reason the 6 fixed days off, which by the way just started last month and is not contracturaly binding and can be taken away at any time, looks and "feels" so good now, is because is was so ****ty before. But remember, the other 24 days you are at the mercy of this company. Blank days are really reserve days because you have a contactability requirement. And reserve days where you are required to be contactable can be counted towards your 8 days off. So, if you are satisfied with just 6 fixed days off a month with the rest up for grabs and think that's a good deal, bring your $56,000 and come on down. Don't forget to ask your wife/kids though what they think about that.
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Yes, come on down. Things are "miles" better now and the Dom and Krug is flowing in the "mostly" first class positioning!!! NOT.
The reason the 6 fixed days off, which by the way just started last month and is not contracturaly binding and can be taken away at any time, looks and "feels" so good now, is because is was so ****ty before. But remember, the other 24 days you are at the mercy of this company. Blank days are really reserve days because you have a contactability requirement. And reserve days where you are required to be contactable can be counted towards your 8 days off. So, if you are satisfied with just 6 fixed days off a month with the rest up for grabs and think that's a good deal, bring your $56,000 and come on down. Don't forget to ask your wife/kids though what they think about that.
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PQ,
You are correct about the unrostered days/R days (they are one in the same). The requirement for contactability is the same. The rest of the story is that minmum report time is 24 hours, unless a sooner report time is agreed to by the pilot.
Standby is another story, 1 1/2 hours. Those days are rostered with a start/stop time.
Now, in hopes of including everything, it is also worth mentioning that if you leave Singapore during unrostered/R days you must notify rostering. Phone call or email is sufficient. Notice I didn't say ask, I said notify.
These rules may not be what one experienced at their previous airline regarding unrostered days. Different airlines, different rules.
For those who may be considering SQC I hope this helps clarify some of the issues that have been discussed.
For those who may be considering departure, I wish you good luck!
You are correct about the unrostered days/R days (they are one in the same). The requirement for contactability is the same. The rest of the story is that minmum report time is 24 hours, unless a sooner report time is agreed to by the pilot.
Standby is another story, 1 1/2 hours. Those days are rostered with a start/stop time.
Now, in hopes of including everything, it is also worth mentioning that if you leave Singapore during unrostered/R days you must notify rostering. Phone call or email is sufficient. Notice I didn't say ask, I said notify.
These rules may not be what one experienced at their previous airline regarding unrostered days. Different airlines, different rules.
For those who may be considering SQC I hope this helps clarify some of the issues that have been discussed.
For those who may be considering departure, I wish you good luck!
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......"not contracturaly binding and can be taken away at any time....."
PQ, you are negative person by default,aren't you? You always see the glass half empty ant this is your problem. You won't be happy anywhere.You are CARGO pilot and should've expected all the happenings. Why don't you move the horse to your perfect place and stop bitching every day. I'll help you with a few: Korea, India, China, beautiful. Good luck.
PQ, you are negative person by default,aren't you? You always see the glass half empty ant this is your problem. You won't be happy anywhere.You are CARGO pilot and should've expected all the happenings. Why don't you move the horse to your perfect place and stop bitching every day. I'll help you with a few: Korea, India, China, beautiful. Good luck.
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Capt. Bee,
Not quite sure about your present status and company so I'll suggest to you that the condescending tone regarding freight is neither required nor desired in this thread, please take it elsewhere
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Now, if you have anything constructive to add, fire away!
Not quite sure about your present status and company so I'll suggest to you that the condescending tone regarding freight is neither required nor desired in this thread, please take it elsewhere
.Now, if you have anything constructive to add, fire away!
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AP, chill out my friend, you are knocking on open door. BUT,when someone addresses me personally I'm entitled to an answer. Do you fill minion like? Well, I don't !..... if you get my drift.
P.S. My present status is nearly perfect and so is my morning coffee. Cheers!
To all, fly safe,land happy !
P.S. My present status is nearly perfect and so is my morning coffee. Cheers!
To all, fly safe,land happy !