Becoming a SIA pilot.
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thank you ppl.
just the other day, i happened to recce the roads around my camp area, found s'pore fly college, talked to this very helpful indian lady. was saying that i must inform caas or was it seek approval from them before leaving for studies. what is that all about?
Sunny, is it true that it is almost impossible to join other airlines other then SQ as an cadet? if so, why? if we're to join them, will still sign acontract of 7 -10yrs wat. don't see any reason why so.
anyway, sunny and wlt.. thanks for your time. smile
just the other day, i happened to recce the roads around my camp area, found s'pore fly college, talked to this very helpful indian lady. was saying that i must inform caas or was it seek approval from them before leaving for studies. what is that all about?
Sunny, is it true that it is almost impossible to join other airlines other then SQ as an cadet? if so, why? if we're to join them, will still sign acontract of 7 -10yrs wat. don't see any reason why so.
anyway, sunny and wlt.. thanks for your time. smile
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Gnote,
Glad you still remember! Things have been a little turbulent lately. Hope you are doing fine. Talk later.
Ichewa,
First, let me point out that SQ is the only major airline that bonds it cadets. For example, CX does not and you can understand why if you look at the benefits and pay structure (a SO in CX earns about the same as a 744 Captain if you throw in the housing allowance). Also, do not forget CX's ID90 compared to SQ's ID75 for ticket purchase. Therefore, the lack of a need to bond their cadets. However, we have to understand they are very different organisations. Like I said, these two airlines started different and have different cultures. It is unfair to say which one is better. Gotta be fair to SQ because it gives relatively good bonuses compared to others.
What that kind Indian lady said to you if I may help you understand better:
You should check with the CAAS what kind of ATPL they will accept for a one to one conversion for all the exam papers taken. If you are going to Massey, it should be fine because their students take the CAAS exams. If not, the CAAS only accepts the UK ATPL. More recently, the JAR ATPL but you have to double confirm. There are only a few schools that offer the complete training package from single engine flying to CRM in a modern jet sim. One of them will be OATS. Cannot remember the rest. There are so many ways to do it. Spend some time in PPrune and you will find out.
About joining cadet pilot programs with other airlines ... I think you will have to stop dreaming about that.
Feel free to post all your questions here. Will be glad to answer them to the best of my knowledge.
WLT
Glad you still remember! Things have been a little turbulent lately. Hope you are doing fine. Talk later.
Ichewa,
First, let me point out that SQ is the only major airline that bonds it cadets. For example, CX does not and you can understand why if you look at the benefits and pay structure (a SO in CX earns about the same as a 744 Captain if you throw in the housing allowance). Also, do not forget CX's ID90 compared to SQ's ID75 for ticket purchase. Therefore, the lack of a need to bond their cadets. However, we have to understand they are very different organisations. Like I said, these two airlines started different and have different cultures. It is unfair to say which one is better. Gotta be fair to SQ because it gives relatively good bonuses compared to others.
What that kind Indian lady said to you if I may help you understand better:
You should check with the CAAS what kind of ATPL they will accept for a one to one conversion for all the exam papers taken. If you are going to Massey, it should be fine because their students take the CAAS exams. If not, the CAAS only accepts the UK ATPL. More recently, the JAR ATPL but you have to double confirm. There are only a few schools that offer the complete training package from single engine flying to CRM in a modern jet sim. One of them will be OATS. Cannot remember the rest. There are so many ways to do it. Spend some time in PPrune and you will find out.
About joining cadet pilot programs with other airlines ... I think you will have to stop dreaming about that.
Feel free to post all your questions here. Will be glad to answer them to the best of my knowledge.
WLT
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hummmzzz....
so much for the idea of working aboard. guess will just have to carry on listening to my mum's naggings till i get my own place. #@$!$%#.....
WLT, so did you any doubts when you were about to sign your 1st contract?
i'm kinda like approaching a cross road, using maps to guide my way thru. feeling damn lost. also at same time afraid of wasting parent's savings. sigh......
money money money.......
so much for the idea of working aboard. guess will just have to carry on listening to my mum's naggings till i get my own place. #@$!$%#.....
WLT, so did you any doubts when you were about to sign your 1st contract?
i'm kinda like approaching a cross road, using maps to guide my way thru. feeling damn lost. also at same time afraid of wasting parent's savings. sigh......
money money money.......
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Hi BL,
Glad to hear that your pal made it into SFC.
Tell him to hang in there. The light at the end of the tunnel is not a train.
MKTONG,
About the FAA ATP, you really have to check with the personnel dept at SIA whether they accept it. I have some friends who have FAA licences and all they got was hours credited to them. Same thing with the eyesight. They may ask you to go for corrective surgery.
Ichewa,
What WLT said is right.. About what the indian lady said, apart from checking with CAAS, you should also check with SIA, (if you intend to seek employment with them), as they could inform you that they do not recognise your licence after you spend tons of cash obtaining it. (Get it in writing).
Cheers Guys,
Sunny
Glad to hear that your pal made it into SFC.
Tell him to hang in there. The light at the end of the tunnel is not a train.
MKTONG,
About the FAA ATP, you really have to check with the personnel dept at SIA whether they accept it. I have some friends who have FAA licences and all they got was hours credited to them. Same thing with the eyesight. They may ask you to go for corrective surgery.
Ichewa,
What WLT said is right.. About what the indian lady said, apart from checking with CAAS, you should also check with SIA, (if you intend to seek employment with them), as they could inform you that they do not recognise your licence after you spend tons of cash obtaining it. (Get it in writing).
Cheers Guys,
Sunny
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CRL: Nope, what I have learnt was that SQ placed the order for the MD-11s at first but when SQ requested for some technical aspect to be changed, MD overlooked or otherwise simply ignored and did not place enough emphasis on this important customer's requirement. Eventually the deal fell through and Airbus got themselves a good deal for their new A340 at that time. From then onwards, MDs sales went nose diving trend.
Sunny: I will remind him about that. No joke man, it is tough says my friend. Thanks.
By the way, you are right!!! Refractive surgery is now permitted in SIA. So there is finally hope to those without good eyesight to have their visual corrected and apply for pilot position at SIA.
Have a great day.
Sunny: I will remind him about that. No joke man, it is tough says my friend. Thanks.
By the way, you are right!!! Refractive surgery is now permitted in SIA. So there is finally hope to those without good eyesight to have their visual corrected and apply for pilot position at SIA.
Have a great day.
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Sunny,
i did once write to captain McCully about my interest in flying with SQ after my studies, asking him for advice on which degree course is relavent to flying, or which uni is recommended. the reply was that SQ is a commercial airline and not in a position to make recommendations to individuals on courses of study and institutions of higher learning for enrolment.
kinda think of it, quite stupid of me to ask him.
and as for getting a written letter from SQ, bearing the words "SQ recognises your licence...", how should i ask?
i did once write to captain McCully about my interest in flying with SQ after my studies, asking him for advice on which degree course is relavent to flying, or which uni is recommended. the reply was that SQ is a commercial airline and not in a position to make recommendations to individuals on courses of study and institutions of higher learning for enrolment.
kinda think of it, quite stupid of me to ask him.
and as for getting a written letter from SQ, bearing the words "SQ recognises your licence...", how should i ask?
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from what i understand, the requirement to go direct to the learjet phase was a commercial licence from either massey or the united kingdom.must qualify though that the requirement are only for singaporeans.
don't think they give any exemptions for an faa licence other then crediting hours but i could be wrong they could have changed it in light of their current situation.
i have heard also that there are singaporean captains working for a number companies abroad.
don't think they give any exemptions for an faa licence other then crediting hours but i could be wrong they could have changed it in light of their current situation.
i have heard also that there are singaporean captains working for a number companies abroad.
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To all wannabes on this thread,
So many questions had been asked about whether their licenses will be recognised/accepted by SQ or not. The safest way to deal with this issue is to give CAAS(65-5412482) a call and find out whether your license can be converted with minimum effort to a CAAS one. SQ only listens to them for obvious reasons, for those of you who hold FAA licenses you will most likely have to go through the "sufferings" in college.
As for the recruitment, after helping quite a few friends passing their interviews and training; I'm convinced that your aviation background has minimum effect in getting you through the selection process. If they want you, they will spend the money on you and put you in flying college.
BTW, if anyone has any problem with the bond imposed; please refrain from joining and look somewhere else. The terms/conditions are pretty clear and you don't have to sign the contract.
Lastly, Boeinglover: Thanks for clearing up the MD11 issue.
Cheers,
CRL
So many questions had been asked about whether their licenses will be recognised/accepted by SQ or not. The safest way to deal with this issue is to give CAAS(65-5412482) a call and find out whether your license can be converted with minimum effort to a CAAS one. SQ only listens to them for obvious reasons, for those of you who hold FAA licenses you will most likely have to go through the "sufferings" in college.
As for the recruitment, after helping quite a few friends passing their interviews and training; I'm convinced that your aviation background has minimum effect in getting you through the selection process. If they want you, they will spend the money on you and put you in flying college.
BTW, if anyone has any problem with the bond imposed; please refrain from joining and look somewhere else. The terms/conditions are pretty clear and you don't have to sign the contract.
Lastly, Boeinglover: Thanks for clearing up the MD11 issue.
Cheers,
CRL
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Sunny,thank you very much for the post.
i have a question for myself,i hope i could get a favourable answer from you guys.
i read a thread from UK CAA website ...here it goes...
Distant Vision
Your visual acuity (the ability to see letters on a chart at 6 metres) must be at least 6/9 in each eye separately and 6/6 using both eyes together, with or without glasses or contact lenses (correction). If you wear correction the refractive error must not exceed +3.00 to -3.00 dioptres in the most ametropic meridian (the worst axis - taking into account any astigmatism). Astigmatism must not exceed 2.00 dioptres. The difference in refractive error between each eye (anisometropia) must not be more than 2.00 dioptres.
okie...regarding the different refractive error betweeen each eye must not be more than 2 dioptres, but undesirely mine is more than 2 dioptres , with +0.5 on my right and -4.5 on my left ,the margin is far more than the 2 dioptres set by the CAA of UK ( or may be JAR too)...it does upset me very much because in my concern the CAAS follows the CAA UK route exactly,in this case will this disqualify me from getting a class 1 medical and getting into SQ.
and what is the dioptres limit present held by CAAS and Malaysian DCA?
i knew that im deep in trouble , i hope u guy can give me some appreciated helps and good news.
Many thanks and please in advance again.
and good luck for those trying hard to become a flight crew in SQ.
cheeers!
i have a question for myself,i hope i could get a favourable answer from you guys.
i read a thread from UK CAA website ...here it goes...
Distant Vision
Your visual acuity (the ability to see letters on a chart at 6 metres) must be at least 6/9 in each eye separately and 6/6 using both eyes together, with or without glasses or contact lenses (correction). If you wear correction the refractive error must not exceed +3.00 to -3.00 dioptres in the most ametropic meridian (the worst axis - taking into account any astigmatism). Astigmatism must not exceed 2.00 dioptres. The difference in refractive error between each eye (anisometropia) must not be more than 2.00 dioptres.
okie...regarding the different refractive error betweeen each eye must not be more than 2 dioptres, but undesirely mine is more than 2 dioptres , with +0.5 on my right and -4.5 on my left ,the margin is far more than the 2 dioptres set by the CAA of UK ( or may be JAR too)...it does upset me very much because in my concern the CAAS follows the CAA UK route exactly,in this case will this disqualify me from getting a class 1 medical and getting into SQ.
and what is the dioptres limit present held by CAAS and Malaysian DCA?
i knew that im deep in trouble , i hope u guy can give me some appreciated helps and good news.
Many thanks and please in advance again.
and good luck for those trying hard to become a flight crew in SQ.
cheeers!
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CRL: Hi ! No problem at all, it's my pleasure. Feel free to drop me a note anytime for a chat at [email protected]
Mktong: Why go through the trouble and worries of eyesight related problem. If possible try going for refractive surgery and as Sunny has already mentioned that SIA now accepts candidates who went through Lasik. New regulation. Even this year NDP Parade commander went for the short but costly operation!!! What can you say about it??? Also RSAF is hopeful in considering and approving getting their pilots with slightly poor eyesight to go for Lasik.
Mktong: Why go through the trouble and worries of eyesight related problem. If possible try going for refractive surgery and as Sunny has already mentioned that SIA now accepts candidates who went through Lasik. New regulation. Even this year NDP Parade commander went for the short but costly operation!!! What can you say about it??? Also RSAF is hopeful in considering and approving getting their pilots with slightly poor eyesight to go for Lasik.
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boeinglover:
Refractive surgery can be accepted for Class 1 and Class 2 medical certification, provided your pre-operative spectacle prescription is within -5.0 dioptres of short-sightedness (correction of long-sight or astigmatism is not accepted). Following the surgery, you will be made "temporarily unfit" (all classes) and will be required to have assessments at six months and 12 months post-operatively. Following a favourable outcome at the 12 month assessment, you may be found fit for medical certification. Please note that the CAA does not recommend refractive eye surgery for certificatory purposes, because vision can be adversely affected by the surgery.
probably refrative surgery would be the only alternative for me to persue my flying career in Singapore or Malaysia,but due to the acceptance of refrative surgery by the authorities today,refrative surgery could be me last but undesirable option.i hope i wont involve myself in a refrative surgery .
i would like to know that is there any changes to the +/- 3 dioptres limit ? if there is....it could benefit me alot.i hope to hear some good news from you guys.
im sorry for the troubles caused.
good luck to others,cheers!
Refractive surgery can be accepted for Class 1 and Class 2 medical certification, provided your pre-operative spectacle prescription is within -5.0 dioptres of short-sightedness (correction of long-sight or astigmatism is not accepted). Following the surgery, you will be made "temporarily unfit" (all classes) and will be required to have assessments at six months and 12 months post-operatively. Following a favourable outcome at the 12 month assessment, you may be found fit for medical certification. Please note that the CAA does not recommend refractive eye surgery for certificatory purposes, because vision can be adversely affected by the surgery.
probably refrative surgery would be the only alternative for me to persue my flying career in Singapore or Malaysia,but due to the acceptance of refrative surgery by the authorities today,refrative surgery could be me last but undesirable option.i hope i wont involve myself in a refrative surgery .
i would like to know that is there any changes to the +/- 3 dioptres limit ? if there is....it could benefit me alot.i hope to hear some good news from you guys.
im sorry for the troubles caused.
good luck to others,cheers!
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Mktong: You are probably right about the eyesight issues with CAA. But please bear it in mind that if you fly for SIA they follow local CAAS regulation not the CAA. The best is still to check it up with CAAS at 65-5412482 regarding the eyesight requirement or you can also read up the Air navigation Order or the ANO for more clarification.
Right now SIA's eyesight requirement is at 6/36 without correction if I am not mistaken?? Can someone confirm on that please?
Mktong: Provided you can train your eye to be within the limit otherwise the next best alternative is to wait for SIA to be more lenient with their cadet pilot's visual requirement in the coming near future if you should not want to consider Lasik at all. Otherwise, Lasik is the only and faster way to get your eye limitation problem cured.
Cheers,
Right now SIA's eyesight requirement is at 6/36 without correction if I am not mistaken?? Can someone confirm on that please?
Mktong: Provided you can train your eye to be within the limit otherwise the next best alternative is to wait for SIA to be more lenient with their cadet pilot's visual requirement in the coming near future if you should not want to consider Lasik at all. Otherwise, Lasik is the only and faster way to get your eye limitation problem cured.
Cheers,
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Hi all,
A question about refractive eye surgery. I was told that there are a few kinds of refractive surgery. I am not sure which are the ones that are accepted. I know there is LASIK. How about the others?
The standard requirements are very different in other parts of the world.
Please provide some clues. Thanks.
ultra
A question about refractive eye surgery. I was told that there are a few kinds of refractive surgery. I am not sure which are the ones that are accepted. I know there is LASIK. How about the others?
The standard requirements are very different in other parts of the world.
Please provide some clues. Thanks.
ultra