Future of Aviation in India
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Future of Indian Aviation
Who do you think will survive the "red ink" crisis ?. Who has the best management + business model + contingecy plan + transportation structure .
I have been hearing that the age 65 rule has slowed down the expat interest in India. Also, the weak US dollar has been a sour note for a lot of expat pilots.
I have been hearing that the age 65 rule has slowed down the expat interest in India. Also, the weak US dollar has been a sour note for a lot of expat pilots.
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Near Future of Indian Aviation
It seems that India will eventually end up with not more than three carriers. Indian, Jet Airways and ------.
Non- stop flights over 12 hours are not economical eg. Continental Airlines Newark-Delhi run. Its basically an advertising writeoff without a break even.
Airlines cut flights to battle lean season blues
Airlines set to post steep losses for June quarter, say analysts - Corporate News - livemint.com
Non- stop flights over 12 hours are not economical eg. Continental Airlines Newark-Delhi run. Its basically an advertising writeoff without a break even.
Airlines cut flights to battle lean season blues
Airlines set to post steep losses for June quarter, say analysts - Corporate News - livemint.com
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Future of Indian Aviation
I had posted a few articles on this forum regarding the direction of Indian commercial aviation in 2006. It is important to note that some of us see aviation from a commercial angle as well as a an aviator perspective. I have a few friends who regret making the choice to leave stable companies with lower pay to go to southeast asia for the quick buck. The only problem is the unpredictable atmosphere of the aviation business in southeast asia. Furthermore, I had also referred to the current situation as a repeat of the 90's with modiluft, eastwest etc. History will repeat itself in Indian Aviation because of the mindset of the the airline business operators.
The best model for Indian aviation was the brainchild of Capt. Gopinath (ex-Deccan). He somewhat understood the nuts and bolts of running an airline in India. It is no surprise that he made a wise decision to get out in time due to politics that suffocates innovation in India.
I predict re-regulation of the airline industry in the near future and just two operators INDIAN + _______?
The best model for Indian aviation was the brainchild of Capt. Gopinath (ex-Deccan). He somewhat understood the nuts and bolts of running an airline in India. It is no surprise that he made a wise decision to get out in time due to politics that suffocates innovation in India.
I predict re-regulation of the airline industry in the near future and just two operators INDIAN + _______?
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doomed
chances of survival are very low In India.
no chance of bailout by govt. bcz
1. elections are coming...so no such issues will be looked at.
2. Indian economy depands on farming/agriculture/timely rains,
and farmers are committing suicides because they couldnot pay back their loans...
3. agri based economy needs good surface transport to reach the consumer faster and cheaper,which is happenning.
4. no alocation of funds in last budget for the doomed companies,
Country has funds reserved for natural disasters but not for man made disasters.
5. if govt gives conccesion to one industry then it will have to address one billion people and so many industries. for example.......
ciggrette ban by govt....huge compansation has to be born by govt for losses in ciggrette industry.
TATA nano RELOCATION bcz of politics...if govt to take care individual issue then one billion people will stand up and make a case for money from govt.
like this the list is never ending and for the govt to handle bail out for aviation industry does not look feasable.
next one year no good outlook.
with the financing companies vanishing from the globe ,
airlines in india cannot take diliveries of the a/cs they ordered .
its all negetives for the aviation industry in India.
and mounting losses every second.
before losses were additive(+)
now its in multiplication*
by 2010 govt is increasing rails and roads capacity to almost double,
making surface transport more comfortable,faster and cheaper.
(economics,vote bank,envioronment concerns).
domestic flyers already got wiser as far as the time and travel cost goes.
these factors are in addition to already expressed earlier post here.
no chance of bailout by govt. bcz
1. elections are coming...so no such issues will be looked at.
2. Indian economy depands on farming/agriculture/timely rains,
and farmers are committing suicides because they couldnot pay back their loans...
3. agri based economy needs good surface transport to reach the consumer faster and cheaper,which is happenning.
4. no alocation of funds in last budget for the doomed companies,
Country has funds reserved for natural disasters but not for man made disasters.
5. if govt gives conccesion to one industry then it will have to address one billion people and so many industries. for example.......
ciggrette ban by govt....huge compansation has to be born by govt for losses in ciggrette industry.
TATA nano RELOCATION bcz of politics...if govt to take care individual issue then one billion people will stand up and make a case for money from govt.
like this the list is never ending and for the govt to handle bail out for aviation industry does not look feasable.
next one year no good outlook.
with the financing companies vanishing from the globe ,
airlines in india cannot take diliveries of the a/cs they ordered .
its all negetives for the aviation industry in India.
and mounting losses every second.
before losses were additive(+)
now its in multiplication*
by 2010 govt is increasing rails and roads capacity to almost double,
making surface transport more comfortable,faster and cheaper.
(economics,vote bank,envioronment concerns).
domestic flyers already got wiser as far as the time and travel cost goes.
these factors are in addition to already expressed earlier post here.
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I believe 3 airlines will remain
Really good insight by getsetgo !
I believe Kingfisher will also remain, but only on domestic market focusing on most favorite routes and probably with reduced fleet - and will serve as a marketing platform for the Vijay Mallya pretty good beer Cheers !
I believe Kingfisher will also remain, but only on domestic market focusing on most favorite routes and probably with reduced fleet - and will serve as a marketing platform for the Vijay Mallya pretty good beer Cheers !
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how many will remain?
all those who can fund them self and absorb losses for next two years + will be surviving,but with losses only, in India for aviation companies for ever.
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...le-dgca-9.html
above watchout call was given on 29th april 2008
Aviation Industry got hit by thunderstorms
global oil+ collapse of finance sector .
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Future of Indian Aviation
Who do you think will survive the "red ink" crisis ?. Who has the best management + business model + contingecy plan + transportation structure
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no managment,bussiness model can do any thing.
all those who can fund them self and absorb losses for next two years + will be surviving,but with losses only, in India for aviation companies for ever.
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...le-dgca-9.html
above watchout call was given on 29th april 2008
Aviation Industry got hit by thunderstorms
global oil+ collapse of finance sector .
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Future of Indian Aviation
Who do you think will survive the "red ink" crisis ?. Who has the best management + business model + contingecy plan + transportation structure
............................................................ ..........................
no managment,bussiness model can do any thing.
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Interesting analysis, getsgo. Remember though, the Indian govenment will slow or halt many of the roads and rail projects as global credit gets tight over the next 18 months.
Additionally, the domestic consumer left the airlines when the fuel spike caused a fare spike. As fuel gets cheaper so will airfares, hence the return of the mid-level consumer. But that said, if the global crisis spreads to India (most think it won't), then that same consumer won't be traveling as much.
Additionally, the domestic consumer left the airlines when the fuel spike caused a fare spike. As fuel gets cheaper so will airfares, hence the return of the mid-level consumer. But that said, if the global crisis spreads to India (most think it won't), then that same consumer won't be traveling as much.
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past present & future
i saw posts saying metal,crashes,accidents mostly from Expats.
present seen .....no aircrafts coming to become metal.
future .......lets concentrate on daily basis
i think with fund crunch companies will resort to unhealthy safety requirements/practices.
putting staff under stress.
not good to fly under the circumstances.
present seen .....no aircrafts coming to become metal.
future .......lets concentrate on daily basis
i think with fund crunch companies will resort to unhealthy safety requirements/practices.
putting staff under stress.
not good to fly under the circumstances.
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2005-2006 pridictions
navrekar
AAI had forecast a growth rate of 16% for international and 20% for domestic aviation up to 2016-17 , with 2005-06 as the base year. Now in past four months, domestic growth has become negative. The drop for September is feared to be over 15% over same period last year. According to AAI estimate, 2008-09 was to witness 87.31 million as opposed to 72.87 million in 2007-08 . Now what this figure actually is, remains to be seen.
Some facts & figures on aviation
Total number of aircraft in India - 806
Those with schedule operators - 399, a figure expected to reach 900 by 2012
Operational airports - 96
Weekly flights - 10,800 weekly departures at the beginning of 2008 summer schedule. This figure’s down by about 25% now as airlines cancelled flights in past few months
now airline are sending back aircrafts/refusing to take diliveries.
figure of 399 may have come down or go down drastically if some airline closes.
so donot go by 2010 dgca date , it can happen much earlier.
if you wish to keep your eyes closed ,keep 2009 in mind where reccession is looming.
2010 is too far.
Thats what it looks as i see about FATA window.
donot run spicejet on hopes.
at least write DGCA conditions for granting of FATA to foreign pilots.
it is only meant for foreign pilots not indian pilots for your information.
AAI had forecast a growth rate of 16% for international and 20% for domestic aviation up to 2016-17 , with 2005-06 as the base year. Now in past four months, domestic growth has become negative. The drop for September is feared to be over 15% over same period last year. According to AAI estimate, 2008-09 was to witness 87.31 million as opposed to 72.87 million in 2007-08 . Now what this figure actually is, remains to be seen.
Some facts & figures on aviation
Total number of aircraft in India - 806
Those with schedule operators - 399, a figure expected to reach 900 by 2012
Operational airports - 96
Weekly flights - 10,800 weekly departures at the beginning of 2008 summer schedule. This figure’s down by about 25% now as airlines cancelled flights in past few months
now airline are sending back aircrafts/refusing to take diliveries.
figure of 399 may have come down or go down drastically if some airline closes.
so donot go by 2010 dgca date , it can happen much earlier.
if you wish to keep your eyes closed ,keep 2009 in mind where reccession is looming.
2010 is too far.
Thats what it looks as i see about FATA window.
donot run spicejet on hopes.
at least write DGCA conditions for granting of FATA to foreign pilots.
it is only meant for foreign pilots not indian pilots for your information.
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layoff drama
Jet Airways may ask its top brass to take pay cuts- Airlines / Aviation-Transportation-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times
was staged to apply salary cuts across the board in india.
was staged to apply salary cuts across the board in india.
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making of TITANIC
kingfisher 320
good one
2006 titanic sold tickets
2007 still selling
2008 TITANIC title love song came,
but titanic has no money to pay for the parking and fuel charges.
it has spa+ gym+.massagers on board ,....etc............
but no passenger
only crew
so capts jump first
intermission
wait for 2009.....or no wait.......
time is free in here
Time has no value.....
good one
2006 titanic sold tickets
2007 still selling
2008 TITANIC title love song came,
but titanic has no money to pay for the parking and fuel charges.
it has spa+ gym+.massagers on board ,....etc............
but no passenger
only crew
so capts jump first
intermission
wait for 2009.....or no wait.......
time is free in here
Time has no value.....
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at least write DGCA conditions for granting of FATA to foreign pilots.
it is only meant for foreign pilots not indian pilots for your information.
it is only meant for foreign pilots not indian pilots for your information.
GETSGO: I met some Indian pilots (3 to be precise) who are flying on FATA with kingfisher and Indigo airlines very recently. They told me that they got a self sponsored
A320 rating from the US and now they are flying with an FAA license in India......My apologies if I have misunderstood your statement...
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Tough times currently.
AI,IT & 9W are in huge losses,as with the LCCs.Only Blue Dart as a Freighter airline is in profits.
IT & 9W have decided to tie up on certain routes to reduce the expenditure.laying off staff & lowering of salaries are an option too.
regds
MEL
AI,IT & 9W are in huge losses,as with the LCCs.Only Blue Dart as a Freighter airline is in profits.
IT & 9W have decided to tie up on certain routes to reduce the expenditure.laying off staff & lowering of salaries are an option too.
regds
MEL
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I met some Indian pilots (3 to be precise) who are flying on FATA with kingfisher and Indigo airlines very recently. They told me that they got a self sponsored
A320 rating from the US and now they are flying with an FAA license in India......
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India is a country where you can drive left hand drive car on right hand traffic roads.
so u can can understand WORD Incredible india.
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I met some Indian pilots (3 to be precise) who are flying on FATA with kingfisher and Indigo airlines very recently. They told me that they got a self sponsored
A320 rating from the US and now they are flying with an FAA license in India.................................................................. ......................................
India is a country where you can drive left hand drive car on right hand traffic roads.
so u can can understand WORD Incredible india.
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When Titanic Was Shot
making of titanic
director shoot the movie and ordered pack up.
same here
govt gave 6 months time to pay or .............packup
this is as far as the movie goes
enjoy
this new titANIC IS OVERLOADED ...
.....called................TITanic
huge debt, unpaid dues.............
C.G. is out of trim...may be the loading is not done by Professionals.
C.G. is no where near to T/O range.
and with sails it can not go beyound 100 NM from coast even with favourable winds.
director shoot the movie and ordered pack up.
same here
govt gave 6 months time to pay or .............packup
this is as far as the movie goes
enjoy
this new titANIC IS OVERLOADED ...
.....called................TITanic
huge debt, unpaid dues.............
C.G. is out of trim...may be the loading is not done by Professionals.
C.G. is no where near to T/O range.
and with sails it can not go beyound 100 NM from coast even with favourable winds.