Garuda crash, copilot hours
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Garuda crash, copilot hours
Have just read the full report on the Garuda crash at Yogyakarta on 7th March. The copilot had 229 hours only before getting into the right hand seat of a 737. This does not warrant any further mention in the report.
In view of some criticism of his actions, it may be salutary to wonder whether he had sufficient prior experience before flying the line.
This should give some food for thought before going too far with shortened aircraft training hours.
In view of some criticism of his actions, it may be salutary to wonder whether he had sufficient prior experience before flying the line.
This should give some food for thought before going too far with shortened aircraft training hours.
yeap, fight for the controls at 50'. nice one.
The hours are irrelevant. The culture of the flight deck more so. ie, in a non-subserviant culture the co-pilot would have been more forceful in action taken. Which leads me to -
Maggot. Not fight for the controls at 50' , but when it was 1427' too high and 90kts too fast at the IAF. Or if that wasn't enough then when they were still unable to extend landing flap. Or perhaps finally when the FIRST GPWS sounded (as opposed to the 14 others), by hitting the G/A switches and taking over. His hours on type had nothing(ok a little) to do with that - but the subserviant culture more so.
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Maggot. Not fight for the controls at 50' , but when it was 1427' too high and 90kts too fast at the IAF. Or if that wasn't enough then when they were still unable to extend landing flap. Or perhaps finally when the FIRST GPWS sounded (as opposed to the 14 others), by hitting the G/A switches and taking over. His hours on type had nothing(ok a little) to do with that - but the subserviant culture more so.
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The hours are irrelevant. The culture of the flight deck more so. ie, in a non-subserviant culture the co-pilot would have been more forceful in action taken.
Does anyone really think the Captian would have given up control of the aircraft if the F/O said "Taking over Captian!"?? I can well imagine both pilots with their hands on the controls, fighting to over power each other.
As has been suggested here before on PPRuNe during discussions about other accidents involving fast approaches, all the F/O had to do was to select the gear UP. The Captain would then have no choice but to go around.
I think personality, self confidence (which can vary from time to time), culture (both country and company), and experience can all have an influence on how pilots assert themselves on the flight deck.
As has been suggested here before on PPRuNe during discussions about other accidents involving fast approaches, all the F/O had to do was to select the gear UP. The Captain would then have no choice but to go around.
I think personality, self confidence (which can vary from time to time), culture (both country and company), and experience can all have an influence on how pilots assert themselves on the flight deck.
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The Cost of Face. All too evident in that part of the world. And experience (or lack thereof) of the co-pilot has absolutely nothing to do with it. This is NOT a racist comment, simply a statement of fact - made after 15+ years experience in airline ops in the area.
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In my opinion everyone starts with "0" at some point. Hours has nothing to do with corrective actions that needs to be taken during not normal situations. If only procedures were followed (by both high or low hour pilots), we would have had lot less accidents.
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Stop slagging the Co-pilot only. It was not his experience level that caused the accident. The Captain had many years of experience and still decided to continue. Does anyone understand the concepts of 'MULTICREW' and 'CRM'. Obviously serverely lacking in this incident.