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Old 30th Nov 2007, 07:06
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Kingfisher recruitment drive

As most of you might know, Kingfisher had a recent recruitment "drive" in Mumbai on 29th Nov, 2007. The recruitment was for trainee F/Os with ATR72s (Indian CPL), and trainee FOs for Airbus320 with foreign licenses. A320 was supposed to be self sponsored.
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not worth it!

It's not worth it guys, once you've paid.. $40,000, i guess you're in the bag...the problem is you'll probably change you mind once you're here in India. Boy a lot of mess. Everything is mismanaged....chaotic at times. So I suggest... Think a thousand, rather a million times before you come here. But if in case you've paid... All I can say is....make the most of it and live your dream.
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Expat F/O salaries

Just out of curiosity, how much does a newly hired expat F/O (on the A320) make at Kingfisher Airlines?
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Old 7th Dec 2007, 08:35
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KF self sponsored

the KF A320 program is with CAE as well at either dubai, madrid or singapore ....cost $35,000.... does not include the checks on a/c that are done after u return with the TR,.... cost of checks... if i remember correctly 6-7 lakhs deducted from ur pay over the years (not sure on the last figure)...
this is the first for them too i think.... most operators goin doin this route now i believe.....
anyone been for the recent deccan induction??.. what was their procedure for the A320??
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Old 7th Dec 2007, 09:06
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heading for the INDIGO/CAE induction 'drive' next week in delhi...

can anyone who has been for one of these shed light on the aviation knowledge test, psychometric etc...

damn... they charge a 100 euros for the 'drive'.... what does that include?? high tea at the taj???.... guess they know there are fools like me who will pay.
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when are you going to Indigo/CAE interview. if you dont mind where is it taking place ,costs, and all other details would be very helpful.

is it a Type rating program has anyone completed this before

where would be the training
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Old 9th Dec 2007, 04:46
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INDIGO DRIVE

CAE/INDIGO assessment for the A320 self sponsored TR program...written, english proficiency test, interview & a personal profile test...
cost of the TR is $40,000 and the training will be in Madrid lasting approx 2 months...
its happening in delhi on the 13th & 14th dec in the lemon tree hotel in gurgaon...
cost of assessment...100 euros to be paid by last week...
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Old 10th Dec 2007, 15:04
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$ 40,000??????????

That much money can buy you a new career in an entirely different field unlike the 6 month career of a pilot. I'm sure a few of us on this forum can promise you the moon for 1/4th the price.
Its possible to start your own airline operation if a 100 people pay $40,000 for their TR. This sort of stuff has happened in the past in India and its just another kickback scheme of someone more intelligent than the hapless, naive pilot investor.
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I believe that $35K and $40K are just the TR costs. The individual is on his own as far as his stay and food are concerned. Plus the costs involved in the various checks when he gets back from training. Earlier, the company paid their new hires an allowance for the time they were away at training. Not any more. Things are gradually changing.

Someone mentioned that KFA's contract was with CAE. Are you sure it is with this company?
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affirm matt... KF is with CAE.... madrid/dubai/singapore.
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Be very very careful - it's dangerous water out there and we fear sharks abound.

How about this in the mail to PPRuNe yesterday:

Dear Sir,

We an established Ground Training School in New Delhi, India with over 70 students. Would you be interested in taking some students ?. If so, please confirm together with the details of your flying package together with our commission for the same. We can guarntee atleast 40 / 50 students a year. One of our student Mr. N S did his ground school with us and has just retured after doing his FAA CPL with you. We await your response.

Thanking you,

B. C.
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PPRuNe an FAA part 141 or visa approved flight school? It appears Mr NS had a cracking good time with us here at the Towers! Or blind mailing to anything or anyone in aviation. There's a massive bandwagon for 'entreprenuers' to leap on using your money whatever the level you are at.

Caveat Emptor PPRuNers.

Rob
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how was the interview .give us an insight how things went.
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Interview

I dont mean to discourage anyone. If you have money, time and want to take the chance of your life time Please go ahead. However, think hard what are you going to do if it doesnt work out. For those who have sound financial background (minus US$40,000 plus the time accomodation, food etc.) and other jobs to go back to, it wouldnt be a complete loss for those dont have any other jobs or are in tight condition, think twice.

Check my earlier posts for the process.

The Interview process is stright forward.

1. Written english Written exam similar to TOEFLor IELTS.
2. Written Exam Aviation genetral mix of everything such as Aerodynamic, Met, Radio nav, Human perf., etc. etc.
3. 1 Online Psychometry exam.
4. interview. ( Chief Pilot/Ops Director, Human resorces etc.)

If you make it (I did) you will receive a letter from Indigo saying that after you complete CAE training and obtain type rating you may be recruited as a second officer.

I didnt go for the earlier date August 07 because It didnt suit me. I asked for new training date, which they said they'd provide in due course of time, However, didnt receive from them. Those who trained in August are still waiting.

Earlier I would have gone for sure. Now, I have decided not to go. I know of a guy who actually had valid 320 type rating. He still went through the whole CAE program thinking that he would make up the money in a matter of months. he completed CAE training in Sept. however, he is still waiting.

Do it but have a backup plan if it doesnt work out.

Good luck !
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hi
what happened at the interview please fill us in with the detils
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alrite... back from the assessment

fairly straight forward ....

english test with about 200 question,
aviation knowledge test 50 questions with everything from met, ops, radio navigation, human perf, general navigation.... a little tricky.. set by CAE so a more european style of questions.

the interview with chief pilot/hr head/ ops ... not a very technical interview but more of personal profiling.

the only information i could get out of them was that they have just got another bus online and they need pilots to be trained quick and if offered the position they would want u in madrid within 4 weeks(time enough to arrange loan and visa etc).
after the training in madrid you get back and sign the contract , they help you with the paper work to get the rating on your license and next is to do the base check which is included in the price ($41,750) . following that is the suppies.
so round about 5 to 6 months before you fully online from the time you are given the opportunity.


as for me still unsure whether i would take it on if offered...it is a promising and stable company...and the market is drying up....

blue skies!!!!
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Question Kingfsher self sponsered TR

Can you give me more info about the KingFisher A320 self sponsered TR.
Where was this advertisement.
Is it only for Indian Nationals?
Where can I get some more info please.
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 04:36
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Question KF Programme.

Why do you say it aints worth it.
It does look good. I mean it atleast a Guaranteed Jobv with KingFisher , right?
Also do you know if if this programe is only for Indian Nationals with a FAA CPL. I am of Indian origin, but live in the US.
Also what are their basic requirements.
Who can I can call about this programme.
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Question Air Cowboy Question for you.

Het Air Cowboy,
Are you an Indian National.
What happened at the interview , plus do they ask for a Indian CPL. How are they going to endorse it on a FAA CPL.
Dont you have to have your Indian CPL to get the TR endorsed on your License.
I have Overseas Indian Citizenship but a US Passport. Am i eligible.
Please tell me. Please.
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Smile delhi guy

hello sir ,
can u pls tell what is present sitiuation in india for pilot will it good to do pilot course now and there is cadet pilot scheme by spice jet and kingfisher .can u tell what question they will ask .and one importent thing that i have done aircraft maintenance engineering from delhi do it add some extra adventage to my pilot course .i would love to hear your reply .
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Old 27th Jan 2008, 03:12
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40,000 $


What is the guarantee that operator will continue operations?
What is the surety that the operator will successfully complete your training ( most expensive on earth)
What is the guarantee that in case training course gets interrupted and can you get back your money.
People will evaporate from the office when you ask them ,most likely you will never be able to find them.
Happened in VISA AIR ,never took off.
Even if all goes well you are a bonded labor for at least next 5 years, and 6 months bonded to DGCA for ANY NOTICE PERIOD.
During 6 months operator won’t give you your salary.
And will not carry out your recurrent trainings, and ensure you on road.
All are making losses in operations and trying to make some easy money via different route.
When Indian industry is growing at 10% and making profits,
aviation is growing 25% and making losses.
If there is shortage of pilots question of paying training cost does not arise.
Seems very big time mess.
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