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not very certain of the exact statistics but from what i have seen of the results from the April 2007 session exams, maybe only 3-5% of candidates passed both their Indian Conversions papers.
As i myself are going to be taking these papers in the next session it is not exactly cause to worry but definitely have to ask myself as to what could be the reason for this. Wether it is poorly prepared students coming from a place with not the best of foundations in their ground training... or something to do with DGCA's mysterious ways???
If anyone has any views , it would be appreciated ... or if anyone has recently taken these conversion papers , nothing like first hand info.
Thanks!!!
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not very certain of the exact statistics but from what i have seen of the results from the April 2007 session exams, maybe only 3-5% of candidates passed both their Indian Conversions papers.
As i myself are going to be taking these papers in the next session it is not exactly cause to worry but definitely have to ask myself as to what could be the reason for this. Wether it is poorly prepared students coming from a place with not the best of foundations in their ground training... or something to do with DGCA's mysterious ways???
If anyone has any views , it would be appreciated ... or if anyone has recently taken these conversion papers , nothing like first hand info.
Thanks!!!
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These are tricks played by DGCA.There are around 1500 students who enrolled before the new rule of 50 hrs that came in August 2006. So now they want to make sure all students fall under the the 50 hrs of mandatory flying and than take the exams.. they are doing this to reduce the number of students taking the CPL exam.
I have known students who were confident of getting 90+ score, but when the result was announced they had scored around 45.
I have known students who were confident of getting 90+ score, but when the result was announced they had scored around 45.
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It's amazing the DGCA will promote expensive expat pilots; rather to make sure more local pilots can come into the system ASAP.
Also surprizing is that there are no high quality aviation training schools in India.
Also surprizing is that there are no high quality aviation training schools in India.
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The April exams showed dismal results overall . But on an average , around 30 -40 % crack the conversion exams every time (thats since the past 1 year, although i might be wrong).
Apparently , every one says there's something fishy going onn inside DGCA . But in spite of every one knowing it , not much seems to be changing.
Cheers !
Apparently , every one says there's something fishy going onn inside DGCA . But in spite of every one knowing it , not much seems to be changing.
Cheers !
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air_cowboy , m sorry for not being clear.
The first reply posted by 'sadath83' , is something that i have heard from a bunch of people and everyone seems quite sure of it also .
And as 'Left Wing' quoted , and i totally agree that they have come up with rules to validate foreign licenses (its not like its a simple process ,but still). And i hear the conversion process is being made difficult day by day . They need a bunch of documents from the country that issued your license just cause they think ur license might b fake .... And if you look at the training within India , its probably the worst one could every see . Am not trying to blame anyone , but its just that things are this way . And nothing is being done to change it.
Cheers !
The first reply posted by 'sadath83' , is something that i have heard from a bunch of people and everyone seems quite sure of it also .
And as 'Left Wing' quoted , and i totally agree that they have come up with rules to validate foreign licenses (its not like its a simple process ,but still). And i hear the conversion process is being made difficult day by day . They need a bunch of documents from the country that issued your license just cause they think ur license might b fake .... And if you look at the training within India , its probably the worst one could every see . Am not trying to blame anyone , but its just that things are this way . And nothing is being done to change it.
Cheers !
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Air_cowboy and Vinayak u can PM me as well :-)
Would like to know the information thats being shared.. if its confidential please include me also.. i would also like to know the information
Would like to know the information thats being shared.. if its confidential please include me also.. i would also like to know the information
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It's rather sad & unfortunate that this thread has been hijacked by a bunch of thick candidates who can't be bothered to try & pass an exam or who know within themselves that they probably can't pass it in the first place.
It is common knowledge that the state of Indian aviation - regulation & licencing side is somewhat in the dumps, & then you guys come along & reinforce it by showing disrespect & ignorance to the system & operating pilots in India.
For some time now, a number of pilots have been expressing annoyance as to why foreign pilots are paid more in India & why they are being offered contracts on a long term basis. The stark reality is that, they don't generally buy their licence, but earn it. There may be a whole heap of Indian candidates waiting in the wings to land that 1st coveted job in aviation, but some of you are making a real mockery of those whose intentions are good & true.
Contrary to your beliefs or views, airlines and most pilots do know which candidates have bull****ted their way through the system. Like all things, it will come back to bite you on the ass, good & hard - and don't expect any sympathy.
You are the sole problem as to why Indian pilots are seen as such degenerates in professional aviation circles. It's a pity, because the majority are good, decent folk just getting along doing their thing in an honest & professional manner.
It is common knowledge that the state of Indian aviation - regulation & licencing side is somewhat in the dumps, & then you guys come along & reinforce it by showing disrespect & ignorance to the system & operating pilots in India.
For some time now, a number of pilots have been expressing annoyance as to why foreign pilots are paid more in India & why they are being offered contracts on a long term basis. The stark reality is that, they don't generally buy their licence, but earn it. There may be a whole heap of Indian candidates waiting in the wings to land that 1st coveted job in aviation, but some of you are making a real mockery of those whose intentions are good & true.
Contrary to your beliefs or views, airlines and most pilots do know which candidates have bull****ted their way through the system. Like all things, it will come back to bite you on the ass, good & hard - and don't expect any sympathy.
You are the sole problem as to why Indian pilots are seen as such degenerates in professional aviation circles. It's a pity, because the majority are good, decent folk just getting along doing their thing in an honest & professional manner.
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Hpcock,
To make things clear no one in this thread wants to pay money and pass exams.. we have just shared what we have seen and hear from other people.
Hope u dont take us wrong that we are involved in passing exams by paying some bribe. We are just sharing the experience
i Agree with u that most of them are good. infact i would say 99.95% are extremely good..
To make things clear no one in this thread wants to pay money and pass exams.. we have just shared what we have seen and hear from other people.
Hope u dont take us wrong that we are involved in passing exams by paying some bribe. We are just sharing the experience
i Agree with u that most of them are good. infact i would say 99.95% are extremely good..
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whether or not you're involved is neither none of my business, nor do I care. I have sucessfully completed all my training in aviation at that level, & am happy to ply my trade in the flightdeck.
All I'm saying is that you guys shouldn't encouarge or condone this sort of behaviour whether you heard it, believe it or know about it.
It doesn't finish once you land a job....it only begins, & if you don't cut the mustard or make the grade, then it's adios my dear friend & welcome to a career in flipping burgers.
whether or not you're involved is neither none of my business, nor do I care. I have sucessfully completed all my training in aviation at that level, & am happy to ply my trade in the flightdeck.
All I'm saying is that you guys shouldn't encouarge or condone this sort of behaviour whether you heard it, believe it or know about it.
It doesn't finish once you land a job....it only begins, & if you don't cut the mustard or make the grade, then it's adios my dear friend & welcome to a career in flipping burgers.
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The intention of this thread was not to disgrace anybody.... but instead to understand better how the system works and the goin on's of it... and i believe that is from where a change can be possible.... cause it involves all our careers and of those to come.....
the indian system is in shambles as we know but i also believe that they are making changes and progress in the system for the first time in decades.... so maybe not myself but pple in higher and more powerful positons if happen to come across all discussed on these forums (not that they are not aware of the problems) sometime someday might actually do something about it....
i myself (hpcock- u would not be interested in this) will definitely not subscribe to the back door route and do not condone it because i too very much intend to join that majority earning their honest and definitely well deserved living.
the indian system is in shambles as we know but i also believe that they are making changes and progress in the system for the first time in decades.... so maybe not myself but pple in higher and more powerful positons if happen to come across all discussed on these forums (not that they are not aware of the problems) sometime someday might actually do something about it....
i myself (hpcock- u would not be interested in this) will definitely not subscribe to the back door route and do not condone it because i too very much intend to join that majority earning their honest and definitely well deserved living.
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So what is the answer !!!
So what is the answer for us aviation nerds who have worked our way up PT91-PT135-PT121 , by the hour. Is there a honest route to the conversion process. I see that the DGCA website posts a high failure rate for the ALTP conversion exams (shortage of qualified pilots ????).
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well i have written the dgca altp conversion a few times now ant the interesting thing is that i have always failed it by 2 or 3 marks ...I am begiining to wonder if someone at dgca is expecting me to show up with a goody bag ......confused.....and i did really study both times ....
comments invited....
well i have written the dgca altp conversion a few times now ant the interesting thing is that i have always failed it by 2 or 3 marks ...I am begiining to wonder if someone at dgca is expecting me to show up with a goody bag ......confused.....and i did really study both times ....
comments invited....
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You've been round long enough to know that, if you don't bring the goody bag, you ain't getting through.
This was the crux of my original posting on this thread. Due to candidates openly bribing the DGCA, they have accepted this as the norm. It's become the quick dollar stop for them.
For example - A collegue of mine recently went to do his vivor (ATPL), & was told from the outset, that he needed only 6 marks to pass. However, only 5 were going to be given regardless of his performance. BTW his knowledge level is excellent. The interviewer was adamant that 4 lakhs (for those of you not from India - Rs400,000) would be the acceptable figure for him to pass. What sort of regulatory body are we dealing with?
Unfortunately, this has all stemmed from this side of the fence. Opportunist candidates finding unethical officers within the ranks at DGCA to pass a small amount of cash for a little favour. If we as pilots stood up and said no, where might we be with this whole scenario? There are plenty of us who don't need to pay, because we're good enough.
As a foreign pilot in India, I think it sucks & it's also so easy to spot those candidates, even if they do make it to the flightdeck. Infact, only last week 2 prospective recruits were thrown out, after we found out that some of their documents were not exactly kosher. Subsequently, they have had their licences taken away, & ICAO has been informed.
In my opinion, & I know I'm probably a minority on this one - but how about we all report the DGCA to ICAO for its underhand methods. This in turn would rid the system of the roguish behaviour found at the DGCA & would send a clear message to all those who think its ok to buy your way through.
Sorry for the long rant
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You've been round long enough to know that, if you don't bring the goody bag, you ain't getting through.
This was the crux of my original posting on this thread. Due to candidates openly bribing the DGCA, they have accepted this as the norm. It's become the quick dollar stop for them.
For example - A collegue of mine recently went to do his vivor (ATPL), & was told from the outset, that he needed only 6 marks to pass. However, only 5 were going to be given regardless of his performance. BTW his knowledge level is excellent. The interviewer was adamant that 4 lakhs (for those of you not from India - Rs400,000) would be the acceptable figure for him to pass. What sort of regulatory body are we dealing with?
Unfortunately, this has all stemmed from this side of the fence. Opportunist candidates finding unethical officers within the ranks at DGCA to pass a small amount of cash for a little favour. If we as pilots stood up and said no, where might we be with this whole scenario? There are plenty of us who don't need to pay, because we're good enough.
As a foreign pilot in India, I think it sucks & it's also so easy to spot those candidates, even if they do make it to the flightdeck. Infact, only last week 2 prospective recruits were thrown out, after we found out that some of their documents were not exactly kosher. Subsequently, they have had their licences taken away, & ICAO has been informed.
In my opinion, & I know I'm probably a minority on this one - but how about we all report the DGCA to ICAO for its underhand methods. This in turn would rid the system of the roguish behaviour found at the DGCA & would send a clear message to all those who think its ok to buy your way through.
Sorry for the long rant
HPC