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Hi Guys,
I am a pilot from the UK who is hopefully going to start an A320 Type Rating in the Philippines (or Turkey) with Line Training from Cebu Pacific (roughly about 100 hours and then possible employment). The training is due to start sometime in May.
My question is, what are the chances that i will be hired permanently by Cebu Pacific once i complete my line hour training?
Thanks for all your help in advance.
I am a pilot from the UK who is hopefully going to start an A320 Type Rating in the Philippines (or Turkey) with Line Training from Cebu Pacific (roughly about 100 hours and then possible employment). The training is due to start sometime in May.
My question is, what are the chances that i will be hired permanently by Cebu Pacific once i complete my line hour training?
Thanks for all your help in advance.
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hello Cabair. the last expat/foreigner CEB hired was a Portuguese/Canadian whose wife was a Filipina..and this was in 1997/8. He had experience in DC-9's when he was hired. He went back to Canada around year 2000. It really depends on the present manpower situation, and positive feedbacks from fellow pilots. Good luck!
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Did I read that right? Cebu Pacific is going to conduct 100 hours of line training on newly-typed A320 trainees? Or is this another CIA come-on? Haven't heard anything about 5J Airbuses being turned into hands-on laboratories.
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[QUOTEDid I read that right? Cebu Pacific is going to conduct 100 hours of line training on newly-typed A320 trainees? Or is this another CIA come-on? Haven't heard anything about 5J Airbuses being turned into hands-on laboratories.][/QUOTE]
If ever this is true then that's good news...if not then
I guess we have to wait and see...
If ever this is true then that's good news...if not then
I guess we have to wait and see...
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Thanks Thrust Clb.
In reference to the possibility of a permanent contract from Cebu, this is only what my TRTO have said. Considering what you guys have said i probably need to take this with a pinch of salt.
Just one more question... If you guys were in my position (a new low hours pilot getting nowhere fast in terms of interviews let alone job offers) would you choose this as an option?
In reference to the possibility of a permanent contract from Cebu, this is only what my TRTO have said. Considering what you guys have said i probably need to take this with a pinch of salt.
Just one more question... If you guys were in my position (a new low hours pilot getting nowhere fast in terms of interviews let alone job offers) would you choose this as an option?
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Cabair,
In your case, it depends on a lot of things :
1 - Your financial situation - If you have the money to fund this training, then yes. However, be wary of people promising the world.
If you dont have the money', then don't. Go through the usual progression and get the type rating free as a second officer.
2 - Age - If you are still young then build up the required hours otherwise see option 1.
3 - Your Training Environment - if there is a chance to become an SO first then do it, otherwise the desperate measure is to borrow money and fund your A320 TR.
When you say not a lot of option in terms of job prospects, leave your comfort zone and go to another state or country and you'll find a job. Guaranteed. I was in the same situation till I found one in the middle of nowhere and went back to the city as soon as I had the hours required by an employer where I originally came from.
Goodluck
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In your case, it depends on a lot of things :
1 - Your financial situation - If you have the money to fund this training, then yes. However, be wary of people promising the world.
If you dont have the money', then don't. Go through the usual progression and get the type rating free as a second officer.
2 - Age - If you are still young then build up the required hours otherwise see option 1.
3 - Your Training Environment - if there is a chance to become an SO first then do it, otherwise the desperate measure is to borrow money and fund your A320 TR.
When you say not a lot of option in terms of job prospects, leave your comfort zone and go to another state or country and you'll find a job. Guaranteed. I was in the same situation till I found one in the middle of nowhere and went back to the city as soon as I had the hours required by an employer where I originally came from.
Goodluck
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Delta 6 thanks for the reply and the advice.
I am from the UK and would be willing to go anywhere to land that first job. In fact i have applied to literally hundreds of companies around the world but with out success.
Do you know of any places that are hiring low hour pilots or any contacts you can put me through to?
Anything would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again for your help.
I am from the UK and would be willing to go anywhere to land that first job. In fact i have applied to literally hundreds of companies around the world but with out success.
Do you know of any places that are hiring low hour pilots or any contacts you can put me through to?
Anything would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again for your help.
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WangFunk,
What you said to Cabair is totally unfair. To get an airline job is very competitive. It's a "go hard or go home" situation. Do what is necessary I'd say.
Have you even heard of the new MPL ? Multi Crew Pilot's License. This is an equivalent of our currrent "frozen" ATPL. However, instead of going throught the usual PPL-CPL-ATPL licensing, they go directly to an ATPL coupled with a type rating in an A320 with a right seat job for as low as 250 hours ( maybe even 200 ).
This is already in Europe and in Asia. People do pay for their type rating, I have seen it happen and it will probably be the trend for newcomers.
Cabair351, maybe you are approaching this the wrong way. If you already have the CPL/ME/IR, then going through the MPL will probably set you back another year as the airline and Av school would require you to go back from scratch. I know someone from here in Sydney who has enquired and was told that training will be Ab-initio.
On the other hand, if you are already CPL and if you have the money for the TR then try Eagle Jet in Florida ( I'm probably sure you have heard of them). They place people in India after the A320 training. Have a go at that.
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What you said to Cabair is totally unfair. To get an airline job is very competitive. It's a "go hard or go home" situation. Do what is necessary I'd say.
Have you even heard of the new MPL ? Multi Crew Pilot's License. This is an equivalent of our currrent "frozen" ATPL. However, instead of going throught the usual PPL-CPL-ATPL licensing, they go directly to an ATPL coupled with a type rating in an A320 with a right seat job for as low as 250 hours ( maybe even 200 ).
This is already in Europe and in Asia. People do pay for their type rating, I have seen it happen and it will probably be the trend for newcomers.
Cabair351, maybe you are approaching this the wrong way. If you already have the CPL/ME/IR, then going through the MPL will probably set you back another year as the airline and Av school would require you to go back from scratch. I know someone from here in Sydney who has enquired and was told that training will be Ab-initio.
On the other hand, if you are already CPL and if you have the money for the TR then try Eagle Jet in Florida ( I'm probably sure you have heard of them). They place people in India after the A320 training. Have a go at that.
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wangfunk is right on
Ever think what would happen if new pilots refused to pay for a type rating?
Do yourself and your industry a favour and save your money.
Besides, why anyone would want to work for a company that won't train its own pilots is beyond me... Says a lot about the corners they are willing to cut.
Flame away if you wish but that is my advice to the newb. Your first job shouldn't be on an airbus not getting paid...
Do yourself and your industry a favour and save your money.
Besides, why anyone would want to work for a company that won't train its own pilots is beyond me... Says a lot about the corners they are willing to cut.
Flame away if you wish but that is my advice to the newb. Your first job shouldn't be on an airbus not getting paid...
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Wangfunk - do yourself a favour and look hard !!! The face of aviation is changing and changing rapidly. I don't think you were born yesterday but have been hiding under a rock and you need a serious reality check.
Prostituting is if you work for free, Cabair351 is just willing to go that extra mile to achieve his dreams. Nothing wrong with that.
No one in his right mind would pay for a TR of course if they can get it for free, BUT what I am saying is the opportunity is there, airlines will offer it and people will grab it whether you like it or not.
Where I'm from, Jetstar and Virgin requires you to pay for your type rating,
and pilots are getting employed. So get over it !!!
There is nothing more permanent in this world than the word "change".
So it's either you roll with the times or you get left behind. Understand ???!!!
Prostituting is if you work for free, Cabair351 is just willing to go that extra mile to achieve his dreams. Nothing wrong with that.
No one in his right mind would pay for a TR of course if they can get it for free, BUT what I am saying is the opportunity is there, airlines will offer it and people will grab it whether you like it or not.
Where I'm from, Jetstar and Virgin requires you to pay for your type rating,
and pilots are getting employed. So get over it !!!
There is nothing more permanent in this world than the word "change".
So it's either you roll with the times or you get left behind. Understand ???!!!
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I understand that in India you need 1000hrsTT, OR 500hrs multi, OR 100hrs on type. This goes for guys paying for TR and hr building.
Can someone confirm my understanding.
If this is right then you still need to have been in the industry flying for a few years.
At the end of the day, some people are lucky, right place, right time, whereas others have the means finanically, and some even just give up. Life isn't always fair, I have found that out the hard way, so maybe it's time to try another option.
Like D6 said, the times they are a changing, couldn't agree more!
Can someone confirm my understanding.
If this is right then you still need to have been in the industry flying for a few years.
At the end of the day, some people are lucky, right place, right time, whereas others have the means finanically, and some even just give up. Life isn't always fair, I have found that out the hard way, so maybe it's time to try another option.
Like D6 said, the times they are a changing, couldn't agree more!
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HEY guys do what you gotta do!!! Just remember that if you bend over for too long... it starts hurting!
for cab.... the Philippine CAR it states to hold a Philippine ATPL or CPL you must be a citizen of the Philippines. Protectionism i suppose. Why would you want to earn 800 pounds a month anyway? I guess it would be quite hard for us brown monkeys to get a job in the UK. Lets swap! (JAR has a similar rule)
Then again.. the ATO is a government organisation, so if you pay the right people enough cash....they will give you a SPACE SHUTTLE type rating!!
for cab.... the Philippine CAR it states to hold a Philippine ATPL or CPL you must be a citizen of the Philippines. Protectionism i suppose. Why would you want to earn 800 pounds a month anyway? I guess it would be quite hard for us brown monkeys to get a job in the UK. Lets swap! (JAR has a similar rule)
Then again.. the ATO is a government organisation, so if you pay the right people enough cash....they will give you a SPACE SHUTTLE type rating!!
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JetABro - I agree with the 100 hours on type but the others might be for direct entry FOs. From what I've been told by someone from India, they only require 250 hours TT, 20 in multi-engine but with a TR on the A320.
However, they would also require you to pay for the 100 hours of training in the A320 which is roughly around 17K USD.
Also, I'm not sure if a job is guaranteed at the end of it. I guess if you pay for the 100 hours, you might as well ask to be employed well after that and get more than 500 hours total in the A320 so you can fly for another airline if they do decide to let you go.
Goodluck
D6
However, they would also require you to pay for the 100 hours of training in the A320 which is roughly around 17K USD.
Also, I'm not sure if a job is guaranteed at the end of it. I guess if you pay for the 100 hours, you might as well ask to be employed well after that and get more than 500 hours total in the A320 so you can fly for another airline if they do decide to let you go.
Goodluck
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Wangfunk and Altiplano,
Yo boys...just take a look at SOUTHWEST AIRLINES - the father of all LCC. It used to be that in order to apply to SWA, you had to be 737 typed...now you don't. You can apply and be interviewed without being typed...but if they accept you...you HAVE to get your type rating before the start of your class date.
Now I ask you...are you familiar with SWA. If you are then you know that it is a leading domestic carrier in the US and the pilots take pride in the company. Oh, and its the only non-cargo carrier that didn't furlough pilots during 9/11.
I am almost sure these SWA pilots would have a word with you guys for calling them PROSTITUTES.
Wake up and smell the coffee boys. Cheers and fly safe.
Yo boys...just take a look at SOUTHWEST AIRLINES - the father of all LCC. It used to be that in order to apply to SWA, you had to be 737 typed...now you don't. You can apply and be interviewed without being typed...but if they accept you...you HAVE to get your type rating before the start of your class date.
Now I ask you...are you familiar with SWA. If you are then you know that it is a leading domestic carrier in the US and the pilots take pride in the company. Oh, and its the only non-cargo carrier that didn't furlough pilots during 9/11.
I am almost sure these SWA pilots would have a word with you guys for calling them PROSTITUTES.
Wake up and smell the coffee boys. Cheers and fly safe.
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Hey D6, I have been offered 500hrs on A320 for $17k USD. But then again another place has offered me 200hrs for $20kUSD.
I guess it's just a case of buyer beware.
It looks like if things keep on going the way they are, then in a few months it will be down to 100hrs on type to get a look in. I know of one recurtment company that is already there. I guess time will tell if demand encourages the rest to follow.
I guess it's just a case of buyer beware.
It looks like if things keep on going the way they are, then in a few months it will be down to 100hrs on type to get a look in. I know of one recurtment company that is already there. I guess time will tell if demand encourages the rest to follow.
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Hey JetABro,
They are actually predicting that it will come to the point that the 100-hour requirement will eventually be scrubbed and only a TR will be required as they will experience further pilot shortages. I can't blame the expats if they leave, they have issues with the mentality of the Indian Captains.
And yes you are right, it's 17K USD for 500 hours. Then get out as fast as you can. The cheapest place to get the A320 TR is in SimCenter in Miami, Florida.
Cheers
D6
They are actually predicting that it will come to the point that the 100-hour requirement will eventually be scrubbed and only a TR will be required as they will experience further pilot shortages. I can't blame the expats if they leave, they have issues with the mentality of the Indian Captains.
And yes you are right, it's 17K USD for 500 hours. Then get out as fast as you can. The cheapest place to get the A320 TR is in SimCenter in Miami, Florida.
Cheers
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Thanks ohnoriceagain
I agree with D6...if one can afford a TR in order to be more marketable and competitive to other pilots like wangfunk and altiplano, then go ahead. Specially if one has minimum flying experience and is guaranteed a position in an airline. You are going to earn it back anyway.
JetAbro...in India, according to my Indian friends, airlines there only require you to have an Indian license and they will do the rest. But converting your license to an Indian one is really a pain.
A6
I agree with D6...if one can afford a TR in order to be more marketable and competitive to other pilots like wangfunk and altiplano, then go ahead. Specially if one has minimum flying experience and is guaranteed a position in an airline. You are going to earn it back anyway.
JetAbro...in India, according to my Indian friends, airlines there only require you to have an Indian license and they will do the rest. But converting your license to an Indian one is really a pain.
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Paying for a Type Rating
Thanks for the support Delta 6.
Firstly believe me when i tell you that i hate the idea of paying for a Type Rating and Line Hours but i dont want to be one of these poor guys who is still looking for a job 2 years after graduating. I have applied to just about every airline/operator in the last few months but got nowhere.
I see very few options available to me other than to keep applying and hoping for the best. If anyone else has any then i would be very happy to listen.
Delta 6 i got in touch with the TRTO you mentioned in Florida but havent received any informaton from them yet. Do you know if they have any min hours restrictions?
Thanks.
Firstly believe me when i tell you that i hate the idea of paying for a Type Rating and Line Hours but i dont want to be one of these poor guys who is still looking for a job 2 years after graduating. I have applied to just about every airline/operator in the last few months but got nowhere.
I see very few options available to me other than to keep applying and hoping for the best. If anyone else has any then i would be very happy to listen.
Delta 6 i got in touch with the TRTO you mentioned in Florida but havent received any informaton from them yet. Do you know if they have any min hours restrictions?
Thanks.