Going to Massey's in NZ. Hopefully will join up with a local SG carrier. One problem.
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this discussion started with a guy wants to go to SIA, and wants to go to massey, of course i am talking about the international price.
massey has good training, good and experienced instructors, lectures, i have never doubt that. it is just the money he is going to spend, might get him a little more hours than just 250hr.
thats it guys, i have never said dont go massey, because of its crap training. the training was great when i was there. got taught by great instructors. until today i still keep in touch with some of them...
i liked massey's training, people, facilities.....not the price.
massey has good training, good and experienced instructors, lectures, i have never doubt that. it is just the money he is going to spend, might get him a little more hours than just 250hr.
thats it guys, i have never said dont go massey, because of its crap training. the training was great when i was there. got taught by great instructors. until today i still keep in touch with some of them...
i liked massey's training, people, facilities.....not the price.
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Effee,
My suggestion is for you to go do a degree programme in a local uni, NUS/NTU. From there, join the SYFC (Singapore Youth Flying Club). You get to train for almost free (you have to pay for membership and t-shirt and some materials which is less than $100).
If you get a PPL, great for you, the whatever 50-60 hours you get can allow you to continue some very basic GA around SG. Well, or you can even join the Airforce after that.
So local degree will cost you much lesser than going overseas, and at the same time, you get some flying experience.
From there (SYFC), then you decide if you still love flying or not.
My suggestion is for you to go do a degree programme in a local uni, NUS/NTU. From there, join the SYFC (Singapore Youth Flying Club). You get to train for almost free (you have to pay for membership and t-shirt and some materials which is less than $100).
If you get a PPL, great for you, the whatever 50-60 hours you get can allow you to continue some very basic GA around SG. Well, or you can even join the Airforce after that.
So local degree will cost you much lesser than going overseas, and at the same time, you get some flying experience.
From there (SYFC), then you decide if you still love flying or not.
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im in syfc now and 10 sorties away from fht.
on the part about cost, if you manage to get the ppl, they'll give you $500 cash(cheque actually).
the training, well it pretty much depends on you and your instructor but most people(me included) will say its very easy to screw up and get scolded. after all, they're doing a service for you and not the otherway around like in the case of flight schools.
because there's so many people, count yourself lucky to fly twice a week. by the time i get my ppl(minus nav) in june, it would have taken me slightly over a year.
here comes the part that people dont get about syfc, its not like a regular flight school where you enroll and will most definitely get the licence. after meeting the more-than-airforce medical requirements, 1 out of 4 will pass the interview and be accepted and start phase 1 training(very basic stuff like climbing, turning) then 3 out of a batch of 20 will proceed to phase 2(circuits) they'll most probably go 1st solo then phase 3(ppl licence prep) but this is subject to time and instructor constrains. given the success rate, this is definitely not a route to depend on but worth a try nevertheless.
here's a question on my part, is the 26y/o thing specifically for airlines or everything. meaning can i be a cfi at syfc or sfc before 26?
on the part about cost, if you manage to get the ppl, they'll give you $500 cash(cheque actually).
the training, well it pretty much depends on you and your instructor but most people(me included) will say its very easy to screw up and get scolded. after all, they're doing a service for you and not the otherway around like in the case of flight schools.
because there's so many people, count yourself lucky to fly twice a week. by the time i get my ppl(minus nav) in june, it would have taken me slightly over a year.
here comes the part that people dont get about syfc, its not like a regular flight school where you enroll and will most definitely get the licence. after meeting the more-than-airforce medical requirements, 1 out of 4 will pass the interview and be accepted and start phase 1 training(very basic stuff like climbing, turning) then 3 out of a batch of 20 will proceed to phase 2(circuits) they'll most probably go 1st solo then phase 3(ppl licence prep) but this is subject to time and instructor constrains. given the success rate, this is definitely not a route to depend on but worth a try nevertheless.
here's a question on my part, is the 26y/o thing specifically for airlines or everything. meaning can i be a cfi at syfc or sfc before 26?
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Well, I certainly hope the weather is cloudless always instead during flights.
Anyway, the 26 year old thing is for SIA only. To be more precise, a Singaporean can only join SIA (as a pilot) after he or she pass their 26th birthday.
I agree with your view on the small amount of students getting their PPL at the SYFC. So its quite like the survival of the fittest, but after all, part of the aim at SYFC is to expose and get more people interested in aviation.
My take on getting through the phase 1 & 2, is to fly frequently during those period, and if possible be the first person to go 1st solo in the course. It "SHOULD" give you a place at phase 3, unless your instructor thinks that you do not have the aptitude to do so.
Well, I certainly hope the weather is cloudless always instead during flights.
Anyway, the 26 year old thing is for SIA only. To be more precise, a Singaporean can only join SIA (as a pilot) after he or she pass their 26th birthday.
I agree with your view on the small amount of students getting their PPL at the SYFC. So its quite like the survival of the fittest, but after all, part of the aim at SYFC is to expose and get more people interested in aviation.
My take on getting through the phase 1 & 2, is to fly frequently during those period, and if possible be the first person to go 1st solo in the course. It "SHOULD" give you a place at phase 3, unless your instructor thinks that you do not have the aptitude to do so.
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I was flying with SYFC as well during school days as well. Personally to me it seems that they're looking for potential pilots to join the air force. In my intake there are a few students who were offered a contract by the RSAF at around their 45th sortie even before they got their PPL.
And yes I've got my fair share of scolding too!
And yes I've got my fair share of scolding too!
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if their flying was slow and rsaf application was fast, its possible to sign on before fht.
we can book every wave everyday but that doesnt mean they'll fly us more often.
we can book every wave everyday but that doesnt mean they'll fly us more often.
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And yes I've got my fair share of scolding too!
But future students please do not worry, the place has changed a lot since my time, 7-8 years ago.
Everything is pretty compared to then.
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I was there 2 years ago and I think it is still pretty much the same. I belive they need to instil the discipline in the students and train us to work and think in stressful conditions.
The worse time I got scolded was during straight and level. To me the plane seems to be really straight and level with no movements to the altittude indicator and HSI but he said I'm always swerving to the left!
The worse time I got scolded was during straight and level. To me the plane seems to be really straight and level with no movements to the altittude indicator and HSI but he said I'm always swerving to the left!
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Nothing should go wrong if you follow the heading. Maybe there was crosswind from the right which your instructor missed and in turn scolded you.
You should also check the attitude indicator in future.
LOL
You should also check the attitude indicator in future.
LOL
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since the RSAF has relaxed a little bit on eyesight, SQ has been more relaxed on eyesight too. so as long as your eyesight does not exceed 500 degrees, you should be ok. i wear glasses and my eyesight is 350 degrees, corrected to 6/5 and i got considered.
considered=selected ?
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Does anyone know how Massey chooses which students get the airline jobs?
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Hello again, i'd like to thank everyone for their helpful advice on the subject. After thinking it over, I've decided that I will not do a Aviation degree at Massey's or anywhere else. From what I've read it seems like an Aviation degree does little to no good getting you hired as a pilot. Furthermore the chances of being hired for the majors straight after you graduate...that is very low and entry only as a cadet with the number of hours that you will have when you grad. Which IMO is not worth it.
The best choice I feel right now for me, is to pursue another degree, while doing a modular flying course on the side. Maybe even instruct at the same school when I have completed my IR. Country has yet to be decided, I did pretty okay in school so I have a few choices. But most likely Canada/US or Aus.
I will have very little free time, but at least it is much cheaper and I have something else to fall back upon in case my aviation dreams dont come true.
Thanks again for all the help.
The best choice I feel right now for me, is to pursue another degree, while doing a modular flying course on the side. Maybe even instruct at the same school when I have completed my IR. Country has yet to be decided, I did pretty okay in school so I have a few choices. But most likely Canada/US or Aus.
I will have very little free time, but at least it is much cheaper and I have something else to fall back upon in case my aviation dreams dont come true.
Thanks again for all the help.
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Hi Effee,
Let me know if you are in Perth. I'm currently in 3rd yr uni and fly occassionally when the lecturers are forgiving in assignments distribution.
Would be able to recommend you several flight schools in Perth.
Let me know if you are in Perth. I'm currently in 3rd yr uni and fly occassionally when the lecturers are forgiving in assignments distribution.
Would be able to recommend you several flight schools in Perth.
