Pay Comparision in Asia Pacific
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Pay Comparision in Asia Pacific
Hi , out on a limb here , just wondering if all in the region would like to make a pay comparision table .....
So here goes my job description :
1. B737 Ng F/O --- Inr 86000/-- pm with 9W for 75 hrs . Overtime at 1667/hr .
who's going next ??? come on guys .....
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vimd23
So here goes my job description :
1. B737 Ng F/O --- Inr 86000/-- pm with 9W for 75 hrs . Overtime at 1667/hr .
who's going next ??? come on guys .....
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Rs.86,000 per month with Jet?? You are kidding, right? Is that net or gross?
Even if that is after tax (meaning ~Rs.1,15,000 gross), it is still lower than the industry average... unless of course you are paying back a huge amount from your salary towards training costs?
Even if that is after tax (meaning ~Rs.1,15,000 gross), it is still lower than the industry average... unless of course you are paying back a huge amount from your salary towards training costs?
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Vimd23
I'm not disbelieving you mate... I'm just truly amazed to hear that!
You do know that other airlines are paying MUCH more, right? There's something called "industry standards" and even Jet/SWIP should make sure their pilots get at least that (especially in today's aviation environment). Do I smell exploitation at Jet (again)?
When did you join Jet?
What experience did you join Jet with?
When do you stop paying back the Training Costs?
How much will you get in hand then?
Your gross monthly salary really should be between Rs.1,60,000 to Rs.2,00,000. Look beyond SM Centre...ask around and you'll know that what I'm saying is true.
Fight for what's "right". It's always been that way at Jet Airways. Keep quiet and they're happy with the situation for as long as you are! And despite SWIP being your best forum to address your problems with management, I have the choicest words for the nexus between SWIP management and Jet senior management.
Like I said... fight it out. I would. Coz it will yield results.
Good luck
I'm not disbelieving you mate... I'm just truly amazed to hear that!
You do know that other airlines are paying MUCH more, right? There's something called "industry standards" and even Jet/SWIP should make sure their pilots get at least that (especially in today's aviation environment). Do I smell exploitation at Jet (again)?
When did you join Jet?
What experience did you join Jet with?
When do you stop paying back the Training Costs?
How much will you get in hand then?
Your gross monthly salary really should be between Rs.1,60,000 to Rs.2,00,000. Look beyond SM Centre...ask around and you'll know that what I'm saying is true.
Fight for what's "right". It's always been that way at Jet Airways. Keep quiet and they're happy with the situation for as long as you are! And despite SWIP being your best forum to address your problems with management, I have the choicest words for the nexus between SWIP management and Jet senior management.
Like I said... fight it out. I would. Coz it will yield results.
Good luck
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hmm
Well , 9w , i joined mid last year , just completed my training and loft , salary is 91 K in hand , I just found out that they revised it a bit. It jumps to 1.8k gross in 6 months from now. The EMI is around 17000 per month , so its steep and its for 5 yrs.
The other salary bands in India as far as I know are for newly released F/O are:
1. AI -- Inr 180000.
2. IA -- Inr 150000.
3. Spicejet -- Inr 200000.
4. KFA -- Inr 150000
5. Blue Dart -- Inr 180000
Anyways , this is info.... kinda surprised that no one else has posted !!!!
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vimd23
The other salary bands in India as far as I know are for newly released F/O are:
1. AI -- Inr 180000.
2. IA -- Inr 150000.
3. Spicejet -- Inr 200000.
4. KFA -- Inr 150000
5. Blue Dart -- Inr 180000
Anyways , this is info.... kinda surprised that no one else has posted !!!!
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Just for clarification purposes, those numbers are after training, correct?
Would the low timers be at this rate also?
Mind the ignorance, sorry. And thank you for the info.
Would the low timers be at this rate also?
Mind the ignorance, sorry. And thank you for the info.
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everybody please apply to Left Wing, the best pay for low quality pilot's be in India with Left Wing other's are not don't join Emirates, Gulf Air, or Royal Brunei
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Clarifications please
Hi! Pardon the ignorance...but can you please say what SWIP & EMI mean? I understand Inr is Indian rupees, correct?
What is Left Wing?
Why is it better than Emirates or Gulf Air?
Thanks very much!
What is Left Wing?
Why is it better than Emirates or Gulf Air?
Thanks very much!
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Originally Posted by speedtwoten
everybody please apply to Left Wing, the best pay for low quality pilot's be in India with Left Wing other's are not don't join Emirates, Gulf Air, or Royal Brunei
Speedwoten , would u be kind enough to explain the above comment in detail ? Its beyond my comprehension !!!
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PS--- SWIP -- Jet pilots association -- Society for welfare of Indian Pilots
EMI--- Equal monthly installements ( Loan payments of the same amount)
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Vimd23, so to answer your original question, you got the figures for Indian F/O fairly accurate. Guess those are all the Indian carriers worth mentioning. If you're looking for figures from others in the Asia-Pacific region, hope a few will post them here.
As for your salary, strange Jet worked out a different package for you guys who joined recently. I still feel it's wrong and they should have had you all on the same salary as the rest from day 1 (less training costs EMIs). The other F/Os who joined years before you wouldn't have had a problem with that. Remember, a year 3, year 4 or year 5 F/O would have gotten more than you anyway because of "service pay".
So, like I said, "exploitation" ...to use a strong word (for want of another word to describe it)... and "taking advantage" of new kids on the block while they have no idea what's going on around them in the first couple of years of their aviation career.
Jet will just wait quietly for another "revolt" within the ranks to revise terms and conditions to what pilots like you want... until then you'll continue to work for what they give you.
Jet has very successfully built themselves into a really big aviation empire. Results obviously prove it. They've done really well. But as a result they seem to create this high-and-mighty aura within the company and very few feel they can "take the company on" on certain issues... but should.
If you round up your colleages and take it up thru SWIP (with all the justification etc), you'll have a great chance of getting that 1.8 lakh salary (what you deserve) "yesterday" instead of 6 months down the line.
Good luck!
As for your salary, strange Jet worked out a different package for you guys who joined recently. I still feel it's wrong and they should have had you all on the same salary as the rest from day 1 (less training costs EMIs). The other F/Os who joined years before you wouldn't have had a problem with that. Remember, a year 3, year 4 or year 5 F/O would have gotten more than you anyway because of "service pay".
So, like I said, "exploitation" ...to use a strong word (for want of another word to describe it)... and "taking advantage" of new kids on the block while they have no idea what's going on around them in the first couple of years of their aviation career.
Jet will just wait quietly for another "revolt" within the ranks to revise terms and conditions to what pilots like you want... until then you'll continue to work for what they give you.
Jet has very successfully built themselves into a really big aviation empire. Results obviously prove it. They've done really well. But as a result they seem to create this high-and-mighty aura within the company and very few feel they can "take the company on" on certain issues... but should.
If you round up your colleages and take it up thru SWIP (with all the justification etc), you'll have a great chance of getting that 1.8 lakh salary (what you deserve) "yesterday" instead of 6 months down the line.
Good luck!
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Silk Air currently offering SIN$1800 to start (1st 8 months), followed by approx 6000-8000$ pcm. Equates roughly to INR53999 1st 8 mnts, followed by INR 212500 for normal FO salary. These figs are gross with SIN tax @ approx 16%. All usual benefits come into force after your 1st 8 months, medical, loss of licence etc..etc. Expect command after approx 5 yrs, & a further 2 yrs before command wit SIA.
However, you are bonded for 7 yrs & I understand heavy redemption penalties are enforced if you leave within 3 yrs. Even if you leave after the 3rd year, you pay back the FULL cost of your training bond. Its in black & white in your contract.
They do prefer new FO's to have a JAA Licence, preferably issued in the UK, ortherwise other JAA contracting states. They are currently not actively listening to guys with FAA / Canadian licences (unless you are pumped up with hrs on type), in their case A319/20. Lastly, they are very interested in applicants who have had some form of prior career within aviation..e.g. A period of time in Ops with a good recognised airline, or a background within teaching circles, be it ground or flight instruction.
Hope this helps
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However, you are bonded for 7 yrs & I understand heavy redemption penalties are enforced if you leave within 3 yrs. Even if you leave after the 3rd year, you pay back the FULL cost of your training bond. Its in black & white in your contract.
They do prefer new FO's to have a JAA Licence, preferably issued in the UK, ortherwise other JAA contracting states. They are currently not actively listening to guys with FAA / Canadian licences (unless you are pumped up with hrs on type), in their case A319/20. Lastly, they are very interested in applicants who have had some form of prior career within aviation..e.g. A period of time in Ops with a good recognised airline, or a background within teaching circles, be it ground or flight instruction.
Hope this helps
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Hi HP & 9w , thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate the input.
Where are all you other guys .... SQ , SQ Cargo , Air Asia , etc etc ???
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Where are all you other guys .... SQ , SQ Cargo , Air Asia , etc etc ???
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Other than CX& SQ Indian pilots are the best paid..so stop worrying and fly over time.
Left Wing think only for the money, is it true that the best paid were in India only??????but are they proud flying in India????? could you be proud only because of the money, or could you be proud because you are a pilot of CX, EK or SQ
Left Wing think only for the money, is it true that the best paid were in India only??????but are they proud flying in India????? could you be proud only because of the money, or could you be proud because you are a pilot of CX, EK or SQ
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to clarify
Speedwotten , just to clarify ....
1. The idea of this post was to get a fair idea of the pay conditions in and around SE Asia , it was definetly not to make sure we got paid the highest in India , or whether the guys in SQ & CX are getting paid more.( I am sure u would know that the cost of living varies from country to country )
2.Pride is something a pilot should have in himself as a person , not as a pilot. If one does have pride in one's standing as pilot , most likely the bars sit too heavily on his or her shoulders. A better person/human being makes a better pilot.
3. I do believe that humility is the essential commodity that a pilot must have , without which he is doomed as a professional and a person.
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1. The idea of this post was to get a fair idea of the pay conditions in and around SE Asia , it was definetly not to make sure we got paid the highest in India , or whether the guys in SQ & CX are getting paid more.( I am sure u would know that the cost of living varies from country to country )
2.Pride is something a pilot should have in himself as a person , not as a pilot. If one does have pride in one's standing as pilot , most likely the bars sit too heavily on his or her shoulders. A better person/human being makes a better pilot.
3. I do believe that humility is the essential commodity that a pilot must have , without which he is doomed as a professional and a person.
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Hey Vimd23
You sum it up perfectly....nothing more to say.
Speedtwoten, do you have difficulty in understanding and comprehending the English language, because I sure as hell don't undersatnd a word you say. If I were your capt, i'd be very worried whilst flying with you. Can I suggest you take up a refresher course in English before posting on this site again.
HPC
You sum it up perfectly....nothing more to say.
Speedtwoten, do you have difficulty in understanding and comprehending the English language, because I sure as hell don't undersatnd a word you say. If I were your capt, i'd be very worried whilst flying with you. Can I suggest you take up a refresher course in English before posting on this site again.
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Indian pilots are the best paid..so stop worrying and fly over time. yes Mr Vmd23 & hpcock I'm a Captain but in different attitude, and I have been in India your country and the attitude of F/O just 90% like you are event they know english better then I'm, but see how many expat pilot's in India can speak fluent english??? you check it up at Jet Airways or Air Sahara my boy
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Dear Speedtwoten
Firstly, I still don't understand what you are saying in your response. Did you read my previous post? I suggested that you brush up on your English - clearly you chose to rebuff my suggestion. I would also strongly insist that when attempting to use the English Language, one should really consider punctuation. Look it up if you don't know what the word means!!
Secondly, I'm not from India, but am of Indian Origin & actually don't see the inherent problem that you believe exists within Indian FO's. Go anywhere in the world & you will find that young FO's sometimes need an ice cube up their a$$ to cool them down.
I do agree that there seems to be a small problem with a number of Expat pilots & their comprehension of the English Language. However, this problem exists all over the world.
A case in point from a recent post by yourself:
"the attitude of F/O just 90% like you are event they know english better then I'm...."
So, before you be-little the standards of other peoples English take a good look at youself.....my boy
Yours
HPC
Firstly, I still don't understand what you are saying in your response. Did you read my previous post? I suggested that you brush up on your English - clearly you chose to rebuff my suggestion. I would also strongly insist that when attempting to use the English Language, one should really consider punctuation. Look it up if you don't know what the word means!!
Secondly, I'm not from India, but am of Indian Origin & actually don't see the inherent problem that you believe exists within Indian FO's. Go anywhere in the world & you will find that young FO's sometimes need an ice cube up their a$$ to cool them down.
I do agree that there seems to be a small problem with a number of Expat pilots & their comprehension of the English Language. However, this problem exists all over the world.
A case in point from a recent post by yourself:
"the attitude of F/O just 90% like you are event they know english better then I'm...."
So, before you be-little the standards of other peoples English take a good look at youself.....my boy
Yours
HPC