INDIA!!! BEWARE PARAMOUNT AIRWAYS
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Dear Captain Pete, Nice attitude to bring to India
Captain Pete-the Loud Mouth "The Indian Co-pilots most I that have seen in Air Deccan are trash. Imagine man, a cpl holder with barely 500 hrs is recruited for airline flying. These good for nothings sometime have an attitude that needs to be crushed with an iron hand. Most of them fail and are shown the boot. Another airline in India Kingfisher recruited a lot of CPL holders of just 250 hrs for A320 training !!!. naturally most failed. Where else in the world can you fly an airline without ATPL. India local authority must ban these immature CPL holders from getting into airline till these guys get better experience. One of my fellow pilots lost his license becoz of a stupid mistake his Indian co-pilot did. The plane crashed and now he is jobless and grounded. They pay these useless good for nothings more than what our P1s get back home here. No wonder these greedy gluttons dont want expats rushing in
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look at him go....guys like you came up the hard way maybe slogging your a..es off...that does not mean you need to go through life with a finger up your a.se. granted..there are a lot of new fo s in india. it is up to hotshot pilots like you to train them and bring them up to speed especially when you are getting money that you can only dream off in your country. your friend crashed the atr because of the mistake did by the co-pilot!!!.....how come a hot-shot pilot like you does not know about the concept of crm and the two-man cockpit concept...your friend must have been an idiot like you not to have caught the co-pilot's mistake.....you and your friend should go home and stick to single pilot bush flying.....
and btw there are still a lot of places in the world where do you not need an atpl to get an airline job....how come an hotshot like you does not realise that an atpl has got nothing to do with a pilot's flying skills...let me clarify...an atpl is purely a paper qualification and you can use that to wipe your a.se. btw loser when you land that job to fly that shiny jet..please pm me ...me and my friends from deccan would love to take you for a drink and show you a good time!!!! you and paramount are made for each other....best of luck.
"look at him go....guys like you came up the hard way maybe slogging your a..es off...that does not mean you need to go through life with a finger up your a.se. granted..there are a lot of new fo s in india. it is up to hotshot pilots like you to train them and bring them up to speed especially when you are getting money that you can only dream off in your country. your friend crashed the atr because of the mistake did by the co-pilot!!!.....how come a hot-shot pilot like you does not know about the concept of crm and the two-man cockpit concept...your friend must have been an idiot like you not to have caught the co-pilot's mistake.....you and your friend should go home and stick to single pilot bush flying.....
and btw there are still a lot of places in the world where do you not need an atpl to get an airline job....how come an hotshot like you does not realise that an atpl has got nothing to do with a pilot's flying skills...let me clarify...an atpl is purely a paper qualification and you can use that to wipe your a.se. btw loser when you land that job to fly that shiny jet..please pm me ...me and my friends from deccan would love to take you for a drink and show you a good time!!!! you and paramount are made for each other....best of luck.
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Feel the DGCA should restrict new airline promoters to being people from aviation or synergestically related businesses. If that is their core business then one can expect more professionalism from such airlines than from those owned and managed by textile magnets, liquor barons, steel honchos and other money bags who float airlines soley as investment avenues.
Such an approach would save a lot of heartburn for employees at all levels, as bosses would have a greater comprehension of pros & cons at every level of operation.
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Such an approach would save a lot of heartburn for employees at all levels, as bosses would have a greater comprehension of pros & cons at every level of operation.
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Quality of the Training
The problem is not the number of hours but the quality of the Training
1) An old syllabus based on the 60's experience is totally inadequate in the modern world of aviation. The aircraft are flying faster, due to the congestioned airspace, you have to fly with accuracy. Due to competitors you have to fly all weather which means instrument. And overall you have to fly safely.
2) In 2001, a canadian board has been put together in order to find solutions to the shortage of pilots and also to the complaints of Airlines due to the poor quality of the new incoming pilots. This study is named " Human Resource Study of Comercial Pilots in Canada" . you can find it easily on Internet. As one of the conclusions, the Canadian Authority has proposed a new licensing system, close to the JAR system. (They were previously on something like the FAA one).
3) If to make a CPL/IR, you have to fly 200 hours and that most of those 200 hours are spoilt in useless VFR navigation, if the ground studies are based on Grand Papa aircraft and if there is no transition to faster jet aircraft in the training, you get the result you are complaining about. Is it the fault of those young guys? No, it is the fault of the senior guys who have not taken care of the following generations. You complain, but what have you done for those young guys? I am afraid, probably you have done nothing until now ...Being positive what to do, NOW?:
- In Europe, discussions have last ten years to build the JAR systems, an updated ground syllabus up to the glass cockpit, a very strict flying syllabus in which 115 hours are instruments, the use of FNPT II (Fixed base simulators with visual- very efficient training tool) is authorised, a MCC has been introduced and as a prerequisite for training on a multipilot aircraft you must have the ATPL (JAR) knowledge. the top schools are adding a Jet transition Course (few hours on a FFS or Aircraft) and our cadets are going on the right on seat with around 300 hours and perform well. And nobody is complaining on the quality of the First officer.... The lack of experience is replaced by a strong theoretical knowledge and by a strict flying syllabus. Think about that and push on the Authorities and Airlines Management, .....at the end you are working for you, because a one man show on a flight deck can conduct to the worse!!!
And the last, some sellers of used cars are making a new career in aviation and are proposing the Monkey Pilot Licence (MPL), get a look to the details.... you will have more reasons to complain in a very near future if you let them do.
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1) An old syllabus based on the 60's experience is totally inadequate in the modern world of aviation. The aircraft are flying faster, due to the congestioned airspace, you have to fly with accuracy. Due to competitors you have to fly all weather which means instrument. And overall you have to fly safely.
2) In 2001, a canadian board has been put together in order to find solutions to the shortage of pilots and also to the complaints of Airlines due to the poor quality of the new incoming pilots. This study is named " Human Resource Study of Comercial Pilots in Canada" . you can find it easily on Internet. As one of the conclusions, the Canadian Authority has proposed a new licensing system, close to the JAR system. (They were previously on something like the FAA one).
3) If to make a CPL/IR, you have to fly 200 hours and that most of those 200 hours are spoilt in useless VFR navigation, if the ground studies are based on Grand Papa aircraft and if there is no transition to faster jet aircraft in the training, you get the result you are complaining about. Is it the fault of those young guys? No, it is the fault of the senior guys who have not taken care of the following generations. You complain, but what have you done for those young guys? I am afraid, probably you have done nothing until now ...Being positive what to do, NOW?:
- In Europe, discussions have last ten years to build the JAR systems, an updated ground syllabus up to the glass cockpit, a very strict flying syllabus in which 115 hours are instruments, the use of FNPT II (Fixed base simulators with visual- very efficient training tool) is authorised, a MCC has been introduced and as a prerequisite for training on a multipilot aircraft you must have the ATPL (JAR) knowledge. the top schools are adding a Jet transition Course (few hours on a FFS or Aircraft) and our cadets are going on the right on seat with around 300 hours and perform well. And nobody is complaining on the quality of the First officer.... The lack of experience is replaced by a strong theoretical knowledge and by a strict flying syllabus. Think about that and push on the Authorities and Airlines Management, .....at the end you are working for you, because a one man show on a flight deck can conduct to the worse!!!
And the last, some sellers of used cars are making a new career in aviation and are proposing the Monkey Pilot Licence (MPL), get a look to the details.... you will have more reasons to complain in a very near future if you let them do.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by Left Wing
737NG & 320 Capts get US$ 9000.....TRI/TRE = US$ 12000 plus full expat benefits. No expat FOs allowed as per law; this may change very soon.
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dear fellows pilots
left wing is one example a
pilot/co-pilots you are going to work with, not all but 95% they have this attitude, because only they grow only in his local flying, but good try I suggest give this type of pilot right away a command position, then let's wait in one year what going to happen with Indian aviation, but remember they have 1,2 billion people, an accident for an airplane would help them to reduce
its population
left wing is one example a
pilot/co-pilots you are going to work with, not all but 95% they have this attitude, because only they grow only in his local flying, but good try I suggest give this type of pilot right away a command position, then let's wait in one year what going to happen with Indian aviation, but remember they have 1,2 billion people, an accident for an airplane would help them to reduce its population
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Originally Posted by speedtwoten
dear fellows pilots
left wing is one example a pilot/co-pilots you are going to work with, not all but 95% they have this attitude...... let's wait in one year what going to happen with Indian aviation, but remember they have 1,2 billion people, an accident for an airplane would help them to reduce its population
left wing is one example a
pilot/co-pilots you are going to work with, not all but 95% they have this attitude...... let's wait in one year what going to happen with Indian aviation, but remember they have 1,2 billion people, an accident for an airplane would help them to reduce its populationand what is it worth in India a airplane full of souls - finally nothing. No one cares about the life of a human beeing here.
And once the above mention situation will happen, I guess it's just to wait for, and as long as the flight deck crew are Indians nothing will happen - BUT if the commander is an expat - they (the authorities)will make him the hell on earth.
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Originally Posted by CargoBoy
Rookie_Pilot,
Are you really a pilot? Isn't doing a 360 coming back to where u started?
Cargoboy
Are you really a pilot? Isn't doing a 360 coming back to where u started?
Cargoboy
, after a 360 you come back where you started (the turn), at least in the Rest of the World.but be aware obviously it might be different in India
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"its english my friend...i am a pilot and i think you are still a boy"
Thats your english?
I sure as hell don't want to be near your airspace when they start radar vectoring you.
Thats your english?
I sure as hell don't want to be near your airspace when they start radar vectoring you.
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Here We Go !! Mud Slapping Again.... which we all seem to have Specialised in
Let's not personalise the whole issue of a dodgy operator towards all Indian pilots and other Indian Operators, shall we !!
At the end of the day, it's an Indian Barbeque and it shall taste the Indian way, a bit spicy at times obviously
,, If one doesn't like it,,,, get out and go somewhere else. Don't degrade yourself by pointing fingures at all Indian related anything !! or any Country for that matter.
There are a lot worse places to work for and out of
Let's look on the bright side shall we.... India is doing very well in it's Aviation than ever before. Provides oppurtunities to all locals and expats aswell. Be it Pilots, Engineering, Ground Support or Management. Even if it may not help an expat directly it helps in a way by improving the circulation in the whole World of Aviation.
Let's all work together, shall we
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Let's not personalise the whole issue of a dodgy operator towards all Indian pilots and other Indian Operators, shall we !!
At the end of the day, it's an Indian Barbeque and it shall taste the Indian way, a bit spicy at times obviously
,, If one doesn't like it,,,, get out and go somewhere else. Don't degrade yourself by pointing fingures at all Indian related anything !! or any Country for that matter.There are a lot worse places to work for and out of
Let's look on the bright side shall we.... India is doing very well in it's Aviation than ever before. Provides oppurtunities to all locals and expats aswell. Be it Pilots, Engineering, Ground Support or Management. Even if it may not help an expat directly it helps in a way by improving the circulation in the whole World of Aviation.
Let's all work together, shall we
Smoothie
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Originally Posted by european champion
Has Paramount employed foreign fo's?If that is the case what would be the level of experience for a foreign fo to be considered?
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hi tigermoth
best of luck...but the good deal they promised you might never materialise...because promises do not hold good in paramount...also, the indian dgca conducted atpl exam is a real bitch to pass....and dont let anyone convince you otherwise....check out the www.dgca.in (examinations menu) for the results of the last atpl exam and you will see what i mean...and if you clear that, the dgca will be out to get you in your oral viva......i am not saying both the exam and the viva cannot be cleared but it is not as easy as you might be thinking....if they are really desperate ask paramount to guarantee you your full salary till the time you pass your exam and get your indian license. pm me for any help..
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Hello fellow pilots
I have been reading the postings on this thread with a lot of anxiety. Due to some rather rash postings by a few of the Indian and Expat pilots there is bound to be a deterioration in the cockpit atmosphere on atleast a few occasions. It already happened to one of my colleagues who flew with a red neck expat and when that person started mouthing of about India, a fight almost ensued in the cockpit. So please mind what you post.
As for Paramount..the main topic of this thread. I personally think they are a lost cause. A person whom I really respect was part of start-up team and he was treated very badly by the man owning Paramount. This man apparently has a PPL license and thinks the PPL gives him the qualifications to run the airline. The man did not want to hire a professional CEO because it was costing him a lot of money. During the startup phase, it seems they lost a lot of good people due to the hire and fire policy practised by this man. According to my friend, the owner does not understand aviation at all and it is just a matter of months before the airline shuts down due to a very badly run operation...Also, I hear that promised salaries are not being paid to the pilots and some of the local FO's are threatening to walk out.
My advice to expats...India is a great place to live and work. The Copilots are fun to work with. Come with an open mind. And join a good professionally run airline like Jet or Spice...You are already taking a risk leaving your homes and relocating to India...Why make your lives more miserable by joining a cowboy outfit like Paramount.
As for Paramount..the main topic of this thread. I personally think they are a lost cause. A person whom I really respect was part of start-up team and he was treated very badly by the man owning Paramount. This man apparently has a PPL license and thinks the PPL gives him the qualifications to run the airline. The man did not want to hire a professional CEO because it was costing him a lot of money. During the startup phase, it seems they lost a lot of good people due to the hire and fire policy practised by this man. According to my friend, the owner does not understand aviation at all and it is just a matter of months before the airline shuts down due to a very badly run operation...Also, I hear that promised salaries are not being paid to the pilots and some of the local FO's are threatening to walk out.
My advice to expats...India is a great place to live and work. The Copilots are fun to work with. Come with an open mind. And join a good professionally run airline like Jet or Spice...You are already taking a risk leaving your homes and relocating to India...Why make your lives more miserable by joining a cowboy outfit like Paramount.