IS MAS TAKING Expats?? Today i saw....
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Don't think so.
Most probably those guys were from another airline, who used MAS simulator. MAS is selling simulator time to increase revenue. I don't think MAS can afford those Japanese pilots.!
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Originally Posted by fhchiang
today when i go for psychomotr...
i SAw three JApanese Pilots walking out of their simulator..
so is MAS taking expats?
i SAw three JApanese Pilots walking out of their simulator..
so is MAS taking expats?
I was there myself last dec, using MAS B744 simulator as SQ 2xB744 simulators were packed!
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MAS is finding it almost impossible to retain its local pilots let alone take in expats.
With the rescue package involving drastic reductions in flights and aircraft there will be excess pilots and it is possible that quite a few will be farmed out.
MAS does however need good managers. But who would join a sinking ship and work under people who have a proven track record of incompetence?
With the rescue package involving drastic reductions in flights and aircraft there will be excess pilots and it is possible that quite a few will be farmed out.
MAS does however need good managers. But who would join a sinking ship and work under people who have a proven track record of incompetence?
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Aiya...,You guys ahhhhhh....MAS has just hired ex KLM skippers and F/os on the B744 and 777 lah. What no moneyyyy ?
Even the head of Flight Ops is from BA. What you talking lah.. Not like your 2 bit outfits . Come on lah... MAS bolehlah.....
Even the head of Flight Ops is from BA. What you talking lah.. Not like your 2 bit outfits . Come on lah... MAS bolehlah.....
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MAS BOLEH?
I'm sure MAS has the money to spend on a couple of expat,but that is just to cover short term requirement. With a no. of B744 and B777 guys leaving or left they have no choice but to cover crew shortages with expat. As for the two bit outfits, they not in the same position as MAS.
MAS can spend what it needs as it's a national airline but who's money?
Those twobit outfits are at least making money, not beg, steal,or borrow!!
So the only thing BOLEH for MAS is losing money!!!!
MAS can spend what it needs as it's a national airline but who's money?
Those twobit outfits are at least making money, not beg, steal,or borrow!!
So the only thing BOLEH for MAS is losing money!!!!
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I say man, Mr Camel Bird. Hope the bird flu hasnt got to you 
. Profit or loss is beyond you and me lah . Bottom line is the pay in MAS is not bad ( better than most 2 bit outfits !) and pilots get to work and stay in their own country . It has been around for 50+ years and has a good track record . How the goverment spends its money for the airline is best for another forum . AS pilots we can only work profesionaly . Reeeelax lah .
. Profit or loss is beyond you and me lah . Bottom line is the pay in MAS is not bad ( better than most 2 bit outfits !) and pilots get to work and stay in their own country . It has been around for 50+ years and has a good track record . How the goverment spends its money for the airline is best for another forum . AS pilots we can only work profesionaly . Reeeelax lah .
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Masbolehlah,what u said is really true..as pilots,why do you need to worry about the "politics" and everything else in the company other than getting your roster and just fly?let the leaves fall wherever they may be and live life to the FULLEST!
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MAS pay isn't bad? What aviation planet are you living on?
Don't tell me that Malaysian standard of living is cheaper, i've heard that old chestnut too many times.
MAS has to start paying world AWARD rates, otherwise the pilots will keep checking out.
Well said! Can't see it happening with the Malaysian short sighted approach....
Don't tell me that Malaysian standard of living is cheaper, i've heard that old chestnut too many times.
MAS has to start paying world AWARD rates, otherwise the pilots will keep checking out.
MAS does however need good managers. But who would join a sinking ship and work under people who have a proven track record of incompetence?
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with a starting take-home pay as a S/O of RM7000-9000..the pay isnt bad compared to other jobs in malaysia,high even.just ask any degree-holder which job gives them that salary range when they first start work..
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Babyboeing that's the exact answer I was talking about!
Who is comparing a jet job with sitting at a computer punching in numbers 9-5 everyday with a fresh degree in information technology from some Malay university?
I'm talking about pay and wages being equal or at least close to matching other airlines (yes there are other airlines beside MAS). Otherwise who in there right mind stays at MAS longer than they need too? The only pilots staying at MAS are the ones that cant get a job anywhere else due to there below standard ability to make command decisions, control and navigate a fully automated aircraft.
Look at the SO pay for Cx then get back to me....And I'll stop you before you say HK is more expensive than KL...
the pay isnt bad compared to other jobs in malaysia,high even.just ask any degree-holder which job gives them that salary range when they first start work
I'm talking about pay and wages being equal or at least close to matching other airlines (yes there are other airlines beside MAS). Otherwise who in there right mind stays at MAS longer than they need too? The only pilots staying at MAS are the ones that cant get a job anywhere else due to there below standard ability to make command decisions, control and navigate a fully automated aircraft.
Look at the SO pay for Cx then get back to me....And I'll stop you before you say HK is more expensive than KL...
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Hello Mr Latif Return. Where have you just returned from , Long Pasia? After the last increment MAS pilots are getting very close to industry standard pay . A senior skipper takes home USD10k + including provident fund .And with the Ringgit increasing on a daily basis , its a pay cut to all those earning USD but having expense in Malaysia. Ouch !! . And dont start on the only the good pilots left for other airlines cr*p . The good ones are the ones who managed their work and lives profesionaly and didnt have to leave like economic refugees to some other place (losers !! ). Dont blame the airline for your own failures lah , and worst dont go on a ego trip after you left thinking like you are some hero . Not.
Relax lah, MAS Bolehlah
After the last increment MAS pilots are getting very close to industry standard pay . A senior skipper takes home USD10k + including provident fund .And with the Ringgit increasing on a daily basis , its a pay cut to all those earning USD but having expense in Malaysia. Ouch !! . And dont start on the only the good pilots left for other airlines cr*p . The good ones are the ones who managed their work and lives profesionaly and didnt have to leave like economic refugees to some other place (losers !! ). Dont blame the airline for your own failures lah , and worst dont go on a ego trip after you left thinking like you are some hero . Not. Relax lah, MAS Bolehlah
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Originally Posted by Latif-Returns
... The only pilots staying at MAS are the ones that cant get a job anywhere else due to there below standard ability to make command decisions, control and navigate a fully automated aircraft. ...
Please, not this crap again. Have you ever heard about family commitments etc. ? Is money all that you want in your life?
Sure the money is not as good as the desert or the northwest, but compared to other Malaysian airlines it is almost the same.
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Guys, take it easy, I believe if you look at Latif's posting & his alter ego Latif Returns, he's just yanking all our chains.Remember the divide & conquer rule?
Indeed, MAS has paid up to shut the outflow of their pilots, but they still have to manage the expectations of the pilots.Money isn't everything, but it's also not the only thing why most of us left MAS.Issues like leave, promotion prospects & other priviliges.The money part has been partly addressed,but the other issues are still up in the air.......so I guess it's still hunting season there
As for the crap that Latif wrote,
I believe he's just a bitter guy......& I don't think he was ex MAS as he would know how my ex colleagues standards are & those who remain choose to do so for obvious reason.
Peace guys!
p.s. good luck in the restructuring!
Indeed, MAS has paid up to shut the outflow of their pilots, but they still have to manage the expectations of the pilots.Money isn't everything, but it's also not the only thing why most of us left MAS.Issues like leave, promotion prospects & other priviliges.The money part has been partly addressed,but the other issues are still up in the air.......so I guess it's still hunting season there
As for the crap that Latif wrote,
The only pilots staying at MAS are the ones that cant get a job anywhere else due to there below standard ability to make command decisions, control and navigate a fully automated aircraft.
Peace guys!
p.s. good luck in the restructuring!
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The good ones are the ones who managed their work and lives profesionaly and didnt have to leave like economic refugees to some other place (losers !! ). Dont blame the airline for your own failures lah , and worst dont go on a ego trip after you left thinking like you are some hero . Not.
wow, talk about bitter!there's a great working pilot! mas should be blessed to have such an exemplary individual flying its planes, keeping the 6 million odd passengers safe and sound.
i know many in mas who works professionally even in the most trying times. but they do not go on to rebuking guys who left. but wished us luck. basically its mutual respect between professionals.
but there is no need to be grateful. to each his own. we all are looking to make a better life. anywhere will do just fine, as long as my hard earn pay is not misused by idiots, refer how politicians debate in parliament? sad bunch mostly...*plus it would not be surprising to find rakyat's tax being used to help out numerous mismanaged GLCs incl MAS, didn't want to be in the system that perpetuates and accepts loss making as a norm...*that is way uncool but it is how it is...
wow, talk about bitter!there's a great working pilot! mas should be blessed to have such an exemplary individual flying its planes, keeping the 6 million odd passengers safe and sound.
i know many in mas who works professionally even in the most trying times. but they do not go on to rebuking guys who left. but wished us luck. basically its mutual respect between professionals.
but there is no need to be grateful. to each his own. we all are looking to make a better life. anywhere will do just fine, as long as my hard earn pay is not misused by idiots, refer how politicians debate in parliament? sad bunch mostly...*plus it would not be surprising to find rakyat's tax being used to help out numerous mismanaged GLCs incl MAS, didn't want to be in the system that perpetuates and accepts loss making as a norm...*that is way uncool but it is how it is...