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When you elect to leave CAL be aware of the following. They have recently changed the uniform return policy as per an ops notice. This notice does not form part of your contract and is being used to make you PAY for your uniform...DO NOT PAY FOR YOUR UNIFORM...in fact do not resign at all...just leave.
When you elect to leave CAL be aware of the following. They have recently changed the uniform return policy as per an ops notice. This notice does not form part of your contract and is being used to make you PAY for your uniform...DO NOT PAY FOR YOUR UNIFORM...in fact do not resign at all...just leave.
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You have to pay only if you stay less than a year.
The fact that they created the note says a lot about how fast guys are leaving :-)
Now, I disagree, having make a mistake is one thing, but faces the consequence of YOUR decision to come and resign properly.
"just leave" is for me an unacceptable attitude.
What's next, don't bother doing the check-list after the flight and the paper-work, "just leave the cockpit"....
Send a correct resignation letter and go face your chief of sector to explain your decision.
Add a sentence stating you disagree, with paying your uniform as it is not the habit in the industry and that it was not part of your contract coming in.
If you want, refuses to pay that, but fulfill the rest of your obligation!
My opinon!!
The fact that they created the note says a lot about how fast guys are leaving :-)
Now, I disagree, having make a mistake is one thing, but faces the consequence of YOUR decision to come and resign properly.
"just leave" is for me an unacceptable attitude.
What's next, don't bother doing the check-list after the flight and the paper-work, "just leave the cockpit"....
Send a correct resignation letter and go face your chief of sector to explain your decision.
Add a sentence stating you disagree, with paying your uniform as it is not the habit in the industry and that it was not part of your contract coming in.
If you want, refuses to pay that, but fulfill the rest of your obligation!
My opinon!!
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They wont change either.They know the basic reasons for each resignation.However we are not a thief to run without a word,although I wont pay the uniform,as far as I know,this is a highly profitable,state-run,national flag-carrier not a low-cost airline.
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330 pull your head out of your ass man............
I did everything right when I left CAL.........had several meetings with all the chiefs even got told I had a job anytime I wanted to return.........bottom line is the F*cked me out of my last pay and out of my severance and lied to my face.........so spare me your bullsh*t bro.......the only reason you say that is cause your sorry ass is stuck there and you have nowhere else to go cause you are bonded for 15 years and your license is no good anywhere else.........not that anyone would hire your ab-intio ass...........!
I am so sick of all the BS surrounding CAL.........if you want to know how it is I will tell ya!
Plain and simple: if you have no job......go ........if your jobs sucks ass and you need a rating...........go.....if you have a good job flying ANY airplane that you enjoy STAY THE HELL AWAY........! I have made the prediction before and I will say it again.........accident within the next 3 years..........I hope to god I am wrong but from what I saw in my time at CAL it will happen......sadly!
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I did everything right when I left CAL.........had several meetings with all the chiefs even got told I had a job anytime I wanted to return.........bottom line is the F*cked me out of my last pay and out of my severance and lied to my face.........so spare me your bullsh*t bro.......the only reason you say that is cause your sorry ass is stuck there and you have nowhere else to go cause you are bonded for 15 years and your license is no good anywhere else.........not that anyone would hire your ab-intio ass...........!
I am so sick of all the BS surrounding CAL.........if you want to know how it is I will tell ya!
Plain and simple: if you have no job......go ........if your jobs sucks ass and you need a rating...........go.....if you have a good job flying ANY airplane that you enjoy STAY THE HELL AWAY........! I have made the prediction before and I will say it again.........accident within the next 3 years..........I hope to god I am wrong but from what I saw in my time at CAL it will happen......sadly!
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Pilotman really I dont understand what you are talking about. Things have vastly improved at CAL. My best friend is a western senior first office working there for the last 2 years. Loves it. In fact it flies in the face of the tone of most comments here from so called CAL pilots. Certianly his version of events differ from what what I read here. At least I know this guy very well, so I know whos opinion I will take as truth. It surely leads my to conclude that the actual reality is that a small number of persons here are presumably hell bent on bad mouthing CAL as much as possible so as to reduce their competition when THEY THEMSLEVES actually go knocking on the door of CAL. I would say to those considering joining CAL as a FO, be VERY careful reading the utter blurb from the so called ''many" on these CAL threads constantly bad mouthing CAL.
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laxcax23,
Don't know you or your friend or where you are from but Pitotman is bang on.....yes I understand things have improved at CAL compaired to before I started with them but that only shows how low the standards were before .
And believe me this isn't about a way for us to "reduce their competition" its about the truth and CAL has a long long way to go to be up to basic Western standards....
If its so good ask your "Western friend" why we have new hires quiting before they even finish training, just up and leaving in the middle of the night rather than finishing sim....I'll tell you why they can't believe how they are being treated and are refusing to put up with it.
Come if you must but get ready to go when you can.
Nothing will change here "they don't want it to"
Don't know you or your friend or where you are from but Pitotman is bang on.....yes I understand things have improved at CAL compaired to before I started with them but that only shows how low the standards were before .
And believe me this isn't about a way for us to "reduce their competition" its about the truth and CAL has a long long way to go to be up to basic Western standards....
If its so good ask your "Western friend" why we have new hires quiting before they even finish training, just up and leaving in the middle of the night rather than finishing sim....I'll tell you why they can't believe how they are being treated and are refusing to put up with it.
Come if you must but get ready to go when you can.
Nothing will change here "they don't want it to"
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laxcax23,
Dude if you have not worked at CAL you probably should keep your views to yourself..........read what I said....if you have no job .........go to CAL....... blah blah blah....
I went with the intention of retiring at CAL.........and I lasted less than 2 years! I was furloughed from one of the best airlines in N. Amearica and I came from a regional carrier before that..............CAL is worse than ANY outfit I have ever worked for..........so I will say it again in case your ENGRISH is not so good........GO ONLY IF YOU HAVE NO JOB!
You obviously have only ever worked a real airline...........sorry for you bro!
peace
Dude if you have not worked at CAL you probably should keep your views to yourself..........read what I said....if you have no job .........go to CAL....... blah blah blah....
I went with the intention of retiring at CAL.........and I lasted less than 2 years! I was furloughed from one of the best airlines in N. Amearica and I came from a regional carrier before that..............CAL is worse than ANY outfit I have ever worked for..........so I will say it again in case your ENGRISH is not so good........GO ONLY IF YOU HAVE NO JOB!
You obviously have only ever worked a real airline...........sorry for you bro!
peace
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CAL wont change.Even SOME(FEW) of the middle level management are nice guys,the airline wont change,otherwise only a few number of local pilots would remain.Geeeez,what could be here some years ago!You know,on the last pay day my western friend showd me his salary with the following words:This is the only thing that keeps me here.
The local instructors dont have an idea what their job is.The only standard is to learn the books.
For instance,yesterday I saw an approach,Flap 1 at 28 miles and level flight at 2000 feet from 20 miles till G/S captured.From a pretty high reputed instructor captain.Last week the local cpt told me,that he is going to fly both leg as he considers the TAF 9999 TEMPO 5000 as low visibility.
And even,these are the minor things that makes the life terrible.
I hate to be a device in this loss of face game in every aspect in the life here.People working in the same office and they dont communicate with each other and the sh!ty result always comes to my face.Always.
And I gave up my job,my seniorty number in my home country,I have also planed to retire from here or at least staying here for a long time.
Yeah,good Qs,why are so many leaving?The contract of the new hires is 500 USD less than ours with the promise that they would get 20.000 USD cash after 2 years.So even CAL is happy if a new guy stays here at least two years.The bigest value of CAL is the 8 days home leave,nothing else.
Will leave soon even if the revision of our Market Allowance in this December is positive.Sorry,I am a human,not a servant robot.
The local instructors dont have an idea what their job is.The only standard is to learn the books.
For instance,yesterday I saw an approach,Flap 1 at 28 miles and level flight at 2000 feet from 20 miles till G/S captured.From a pretty high reputed instructor captain.Last week the local cpt told me,that he is going to fly both leg as he considers the TAF 9999 TEMPO 5000 as low visibility.
And even,these are the minor things that makes the life terrible.
I hate to be a device in this loss of face game in every aspect in the life here.People working in the same office and they dont communicate with each other and the sh!ty result always comes to my face.Always.
And I gave up my job,my seniorty number in my home country,I have also planed to retire from here or at least staying here for a long time.
Yeah,good Qs,why are so many leaving?The contract of the new hires is 500 USD less than ours with the promise that they would get 20.000 USD cash after 2 years.So even CAL is happy if a new guy stays here at least two years.The bigest value of CAL is the 8 days home leave,nothing else.
Will leave soon even if the revision of our Market Allowance in this December is positive.Sorry,I am a human,not a servant robot.
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Pilotman,
what make you think I am ab-initio ??
Sorry guy, A330/340 captain, with JAA licence and no bond, I leave today if I want...
Why I stay is my business
I agree CAL sucks on a lot of thing, but that not a reason to behave like a thief, ans sur, they won't change because you tell them your reason.
For me it just a question of politness, you seems to have some lesson to take there...
Enjoy your neww life, whatever that is
what make you think I am ab-initio ??
Sorry guy, A330/340 captain, with JAA licence and no bond, I leave today if I want...
Why I stay is my business
I agree CAL sucks on a lot of thing, but that not a reason to behave like a thief, ans sur, they won't change because you tell them your reason.
For me it just a question of politness, you seems to have some lesson to take there...
Enjoy your neww life, whatever that is
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Pilotman you cant expect to drag ur american culture everywhere. We dont all eat macDonalds and watch Beverly Hills 90210. Its time to wake up and realise that other practices are out there that still gaurantee that the debt equit ratio is maintainable and that operating margins are within or indeed exceeding local market forcasts. CAL is a business not a pilot CRM society. The reality is that pilots are just a small piece of the overall operation in CAL
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Maybe you need a little counsling as your anger is evident. It is true that CAL does not honor its contracts or agreements and the scheduling sucks but they pay ontime every month and are trying to get better, I do not like a lot of what goes on in CAL especialy when they tell new FO's that a command is on the horizon or that the new enhanced sheduling is for my benifit. Most people know of the problems before or very soon after they arrive and can accept it or leave.The Chinese culture seems to be at the root cause of the problem, blame someone else whilst saving yourself seems to be their answer and as far as honor goes there is nome within most of the Management or local pilots, it is a foreign term to them.
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Hey you guys
This is not a chinese v western culture debate.
Fact...CAL have changed a policy regarding uniform return and it is not part of the contract.
Some do not wish to rock the boat...nor do I. Simple fact is they will try it on and all you need to do is pull out your contract and say NO I am not paying.
As for all the operational inuendo...it is accurate.
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This is not a chinese v western culture debate.
Fact...CAL have changed a policy regarding uniform return and it is not part of the contract.
Some do not wish to rock the boat...nor do I. Simple fact is they will try it on and all you need to do is pull out your contract and say NO I am not paying.
As for all the operational inuendo...it is accurate.
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AHHHH 90210 went off the air almost 6 years ago .....Dude where do you live?
Anyway not the point ...it's not about culture per say its about being treated as a human.....you say the way CAL operates allows them to make money....well just think how well they would do if they didn't have to replace all their expat pilots every 18 months....good business is good business anywhere in the world....only the abuse and poor working conditions of the locals keep them going( at least that’s what I'm told by the local pilots 700 of whom are suing the company as we speak for racial discrimination as apparently they get paid less than the expats) ....oh ya and the fact that they are owned by the ROC doesn’t hurt either
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AHHHH 90210 went off the air almost 6 years ago .....Dude where do you live?
Anyway not the point ...it's not about culture per say its about being treated as a human.....you say the way CAL operates allows them to make money....well just think how well they would do if they didn't have to replace all their expat pilots every 18 months....good business is good business anywhere in the world....only the abuse and poor working conditions of the locals keep them going( at least that’s what I'm told by the local pilots 700 of whom are suing the company as we speak for racial discrimination as apparently they get paid less than the expats) ....oh ya and the fact that they are owned by the ROC doesn’t hurt either
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Moderate, Modest & Mild.
The reality is that pilots are just a small piece of the overall operation in CAL
I've seen an airline operate without managers, accountants, refuellers, flight attendants, and ground engineers.
Maybe YOU can show us how to operate an airline without PILOTS
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The reality is pilots are expendible and in abundant supply. Have you seen CALs profit margin regarding the Last year end ? Dont get me wrong, I am a pilot myself based in asia, but why dont we just face up to the reality that we are little more than glorified taxi drivers. Its not a hard job, though tiring I will admit. Its obviously working in their favour to let people go after 12, 18 or 24 months and replace them again, otherwise why would they continue this practice if it was a loss maker?? Explain that one KM
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Dude you’re the exact reason out industry is in the sh*tter..........do us all a favor take your bus driver attitude and go drive a bus........I am professional airline pilot who graduated Valedictorian of a Aviation University......I attained top grades and love my job and I am damn good at it..........!
Other dudes remarks about me being angry..........not at all! I disliked what I saw and I fulfilled my obligation and I left. Have to admit having 9k stolen from me now that I am out the door is disappointing but I walked away with my life....so they can keep it for all I care! I just hope none of my friends or colleagues are on the next hull loss that CAL WILL HAVE...........
Peace
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PS SKY330 I was told that no expats are on the 330 fleet.........so how are you an expat? Or are you 340......?
Dude you’re the exact reason out industry is in the sh*tter..........do us all a favor take your bus driver attitude and go drive a bus........I am professional airline pilot who graduated Valedictorian of a Aviation University......I attained top grades and love my job and I am damn good at it..........!
Other dudes remarks about me being angry..........not at all! I disliked what I saw and I fulfilled my obligation and I left. Have to admit having 9k stolen from me now that I am out the door is disappointing but I walked away with my life....so they can keep it for all I care! I just hope none of my friends or colleagues are on the next hull loss that CAL WILL HAVE...........
Peace
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PS SKY330 I was told that no expats are on the 330 fleet.........so how are you an expat? Or are you 340......?
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to pilotman:
True, no expat on A330, one rumor is it this a test case.
In six months, middle management will go to the top and say : Look, no expat on A330 and you don't have more problem than on the other sectors, so we don't need the expats!
We have the same safety performance without them.
Safety performance being deduced by the number of FOCA occurence, of course,
One of their chief-pilot was telling me : KAL is getting rid of all expat (don't know if it's true by the way), CAL should do the same, the guy was really glooming at the idea
Like I said on another tread, don't go there as an f/o, think really twice before going there as a captain!
True, no expat on A330, one rumor is it this a test case.
In six months, middle management will go to the top and say : Look, no expat on A330 and you don't have more problem than on the other sectors, so we don't need the expats!
We have the same safety performance without them.
Safety performance being deduced by the number of FOCA occurence, of course,
One of their chief-pilot was telling me : KAL is getting rid of all expat (don't know if it's true by the way), CAL should do the same, the guy was really glooming at the idea
Like I said on another tread, don't go there as an f/o, think really twice before going there as a captain!