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Does anyone have any information with regard to rostering practices in VAC? How hard does someone work on the B777 as a First Officer? How are the captains like? What are the possibilities of a command upgrade? Are the off days at base enough to make a travel back home? Is it true that only non-muslims are acceptable?
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Does anyone have any information with regard to rostering practices in VAC? How hard does someone work on the B777 as a First Officer? How are the captains like? What are the possibilities of a command upgrade? Are the off days at base enough to make a travel back home? Is it true that only non-muslims are acceptable?
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Yes, it's true.
Their 777s will fly to the States.Maybe they want to avoid complications by having Muslims tech-crews.
But by the way,there are cases where non Muslims,especially Indian males that carry 'a/l ' anak lelaki/'son of') in their names being interrogated heavily by the US Immigration upon entry.How about 'Al-Gore' then?huh?
And this,Mr Longlatif,I find,is the most stupid,ridiculuous and hilarious attitude compared to BEING a MALAY!
Their 777s will fly to the States.Maybe they want to avoid complications by having Muslims tech-crews.
But by the way,there are cases where non Muslims,especially Indian males that carry 'a/l ' anak lelaki/'son of') in their names being interrogated heavily by the US Immigration upon entry.How about 'Al-Gore' then?huh?
And this,Mr Longlatif,I find,is the most stupid,ridiculuous and hilarious attitude compared to BEING a MALAY!
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problems with Immigration in the US is not because of being a Muslim...its the passport!
I fly to U.S every few months and have seen Malaysian-Chinese crew (pilots and cabin) who gets "interviewed" everytime they get to the U.S.
I fly to U.S every few months and have seen Malaysian-Chinese crew (pilots and cabin) who gets "interviewed" everytime they get to the U.S.
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I plan to join VAC as a FO on B777.
Of course I understand that there's no such thing as total job security or a permanent job as aviation is such a dynamic and ever changing industry.
But I seek the opinion from those who has been in VAC long enough and looking at the current situation, what is my chances of getting the contract renew when it ends in 3 years? Does VAC plan to train and replace all foreign FOs on VAC with locals?
Thank you very much if anyone can help.
Of course I understand that there's no such thing as total job security or a permanent job as aviation is such a dynamic and ever changing industry.
But I seek the opinion from those who has been in VAC long enough and looking at the current situation, what is my chances of getting the contract renew when it ends in 3 years? Does VAC plan to train and replace all foreign FOs on VAC with locals?
Thank you very much if anyone can help.
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To answer a few of the questions asked...
"Does anyone have any information with regard to rostering practices in VAC? "
6 weeks on 2 weeks off
"How hard does someone work on the B777 as a First Officer?"
It varies but approx 75 hours ( some months more some less)
"How are the captains like?"
Fine ..70% Vn 30 % expats.
"What are the possibilities of a command upgrade?"
Maybe in the future but no one has been upgraded for many years when different contract companies had the contract
"Are the off days at base enough to make a travel back home?"
Yes during your 2 weeks off. Free ticket home anywhere on Vn network
"Is it true that only non-muslims are acceptable?"
Put it this way. there are no muslims working for VAC and many have applied
"Of course I understand that there's no such thing as total job security or a permanent job as aviation is such a dynamic and ever changing industry.
But I seek the opinion from those who has been in VAC long enough and looking at the current situation, what is my chances of getting the contract renew when it ends in 3 years?"
Very good. There is no way with there current growth plans they will have enough local pilots
Currently approx 35 aircraft and plan to have 70 by 2010.
Only 40 cadets training at present ( flying that is) Many more in system but they are many years away.
There is talk of a pay increase for F/O 's as they are having
trouble finding suitable canditates.
I hope this of some help
"Does anyone have any information with regard to rostering practices in VAC? "
6 weeks on 2 weeks off
"How hard does someone work on the B777 as a First Officer?"
It varies but approx 75 hours ( some months more some less)
"How are the captains like?"
Fine ..70% Vn 30 % expats.
"What are the possibilities of a command upgrade?"
Maybe in the future but no one has been upgraded for many years when different contract companies had the contract
"Are the off days at base enough to make a travel back home?"
Yes during your 2 weeks off. Free ticket home anywhere on Vn network
"Is it true that only non-muslims are acceptable?"
Put it this way. there are no muslims working for VAC and many have applied
"Of course I understand that there's no such thing as total job security or a permanent job as aviation is such a dynamic and ever changing industry.
But I seek the opinion from those who has been in VAC long enough and looking at the current situation, what is my chances of getting the contract renew when it ends in 3 years?"
Very good. There is no way with there current growth plans they will have enough local pilots
Currently approx 35 aircraft and plan to have 70 by 2010.
Only 40 cadets training at present ( flying that is) Many more in system but they are many years away.
There is talk of a pay increase for F/O 's as they are having
trouble finding suitable canditates.
I hope this of some help
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Thanks trewq for your reply.
So does it mean I can expect my contract to be renewed up to year 2010 and beyond?
See, it will only be worthwhile for me to go if I can get at least a 9 years (3 terms) contract. Do you think that is something realistically to expect, considering the current development and from your past observation of VAC?
Appreciate very much to anyone who can help. Thanks!
So does it mean I can expect my contract to be renewed up to year 2010 and beyond?
See, it will only be worthwhile for me to go if I can get at least a 9 years (3 terms) contract. Do you think that is something realistically to expect, considering the current development and from your past observation of VAC?
Appreciate very much to anyone who can help. Thanks!
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Dear Aikon,
According to my mates that had applied,the 3 year contract is subjected to the visa renewal every 3 years.So,they have to streamline the contract period with the visa requirement.
Actually,it's the same in the middle east but the airlines there put it on paper as 'permanent' instead of 'contract'.So,as long as you have satisfactory performance,I don't see why they won't renew your contract.3 terms(9 years) sounds reasonable.I have friends working in CAL and KAL which have the same condition but hey,now they are coming to the 2nd term already(1 term=5 years).I guess Vietnam Airlines doesn't want to 'jump the gun' as far as the visa is concerned.
For further confirmation you can check it out with the other guys.
According to my mates that had applied,the 3 year contract is subjected to the visa renewal every 3 years.So,they have to streamline the contract period with the visa requirement.
Actually,it's the same in the middle east but the airlines there put it on paper as 'permanent' instead of 'contract'.So,as long as you have satisfactory performance,I don't see why they won't renew your contract.3 terms(9 years) sounds reasonable.I have friends working in CAL and KAL which have the same condition but hey,now they are coming to the 2nd term already(1 term=5 years).I guess Vietnam Airlines doesn't want to 'jump the gun' as far as the visa is concerned.
For further confirmation you can check it out with the other guys.
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Hi
The visas are for 6 months only and are not the issue.
The new 777 F/O contracts are going to be for 5 years ( again the reason is they cant get guys).
Past 5 years is anyones guess but there is NO way they are going to crew the expansion on their own.
IMHO ii think if you make a committment to VAC and let it be known expats will get commands in the near future thus giving a career path as they are slowly realising this is the only way to attract pilots. Also they do work loosely around seniority so the sooner you join the better chances for renewal or upgrade( but be prepared for DEC at anytime as that will always happen).
Also 4 330 's arriving later this year or early next.
The visas are for 6 months only and are not the issue.
The new 777 F/O contracts are going to be for 5 years ( again the reason is they cant get guys).
Past 5 years is anyones guess but there is NO way they are going to crew the expansion on their own.
IMHO ii think if you make a committment to VAC and let it be known expats will get commands in the near future thus giving a career path as they are slowly realising this is the only way to attract pilots. Also they do work loosely around seniority so the sooner you join the better chances for renewal or upgrade( but be prepared for DEC at anytime as that will always happen).
Also 4 330 's arriving later this year or early next.
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That may be true on the 320 miles hi , but it is not true on All fleets
Ask a 767 pilot how long there contracts have been for the last 3 renewals...
The next 777 f/o contracts will be for 5 years...It is a matter of supply and demand.
Ask a 767 pilot how long there contracts have been for the last 3 renewals...
The next 777 f/o contracts will be for 5 years...It is a matter of supply and demand.
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I really d ont know why you guys are talking about 3 years or 5 years
In fact there is no difference at all
All those contracts have a clause who mention that your contract may be terminated with a 3 months notice if they d ont need you or if (they d ont like you)
For those FO who think they will be upgraded at VN I think you are dreaming. I was there as Captains from 1994 to 2004 and they NEVER upgraded an expat FO except when Regionair had the contract from 1994 to 1998
In fact there is no difference at all
All those contracts have a clause who mention that your contract may be terminated with a 3 months notice if they d ont need you or if (they d ont like you)
For those FO who think they will be upgraded at VN I think you are dreaming. I was there as Captains from 1994 to 2004 and they NEVER upgraded an expat FO except when Regionair had the contract from 1994 to 1998
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Miles hi ....That may be the case but if you re read my initial post I said the contracts in the future will be 5 years..This is hot of the press from euro pacific so only time will tell who is right. Dont forget this is a rumour network
Lindberg.... Sure they have that clause but when have they used it ..If you were here on the 767 since 94 why didnt they use it on you during sars. chicken flu and the reduction of the 767 fleet..(they had the rush of blood on the 320 in 2003 but changed there mind before acting)....
You went to Skymark for your personel reasons , which is fine but everyone is different
So yes we are dreaming about an upgrade . Things are definetly changing Who would have ever guessed a female ATR capt would now be a A320 capt .. I rest my case.
Note for sick squid
Finally , Pierre why did you pick Karls surname as your handle ?
He was not pleased before he left .
Lindberg.... Sure they have that clause but when have they used it ..If you were here on the 767 since 94 why didnt they use it on you during sars. chicken flu and the reduction of the 767 fleet..(they had the rush of blood on the 320 in 2003 but changed there mind before acting)....
You went to Skymark for your personel reasons , which is fine but everyone is different
So yes we are dreaming about an upgrade . Things are definetly changing Who would have ever guessed a female ATR capt would now be a A320 capt .. I rest my case.
Note for sick squid
Finally , Pierre why did you pick Karls surname as your handle ?
He was not pleased before he left .
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Hi Trewq
I d ont understand your question about Karl????
I am surprise that they will check an expat on A320 as Captain when she d ont have 1 hour on Jet and in the mean time they refuse to upgrade guys like you with a lot of jet time and some of you with a lot of time on large turboprop Captain as well but good for her and hopefully thing will change
I d ont understand your question about Karl????
I am surprise that they will check an expat on A320 as Captain when she d ont have 1 hour on Jet and in the mean time they refuse to upgrade guys like you with a lot of jet time and some of you with a lot of time on large turboprop Captain as well but good for her and hopefully thing will change
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Hi
She has started her training. I see it as a good thing. She has been here a long time and it shows VAC are gretting more flexible in their thinking ( also she as 737 time) . It is just a matter of time before they have to look at upgrades unless they want to park aircraft against the fence.
Reading another thread rumours are Singair are finding it hard to get suitable 777 canditates.
The current 767 to 777 is working well and is demonstrating to the old guard that it is better to keep currently employed pilots who fit in than look else where. And I am sure thet are making a dollar or thousand out of it
They are almost out of experienced local pilots . The last 2 captains who were promoted onto the 777 failed and are now co pilots.
The most senior F/O started less than 3 years ago so we have to give it some time. The next 3 years could see some interesting changes.
About Karl....If you were here 10 years as a 767 captain, you must know that your username is that of an ex 767 f/o... you might want to change it to someting a lttle less close to home.
She has started her training. I see it as a good thing. She has been here a long time and it shows VAC are gretting more flexible in their thinking ( also she as 737 time) . It is just a matter of time before they have to look at upgrades unless they want to park aircraft against the fence.
Reading another thread rumours are Singair are finding it hard to get suitable 777 canditates.
The current 767 to 777 is working well and is demonstrating to the old guard that it is better to keep currently employed pilots who fit in than look else where. And I am sure thet are making a dollar or thousand out of it
They are almost out of experienced local pilots . The last 2 captains who were promoted onto the 777 failed and are now co pilots.
The most senior F/O started less than 3 years ago so we have to give it some time. The next 3 years could see some interesting changes.
About Karl....If you were here 10 years as a 767 captain, you must know that your username is that of an ex 767 f/o... you might want to change it to someting a lttle less close to home.
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To Trewq
So maybe good news for all of you. I hope
But what I find funny is there is some guys on ATR 72 who use to fly big jet also and they were not invited to go on A 320
About Karl I dont know but I have this user name since at least 2 years
And is name is not Lind but Lund if I remember
Anyway if I have to change to make him happy I will gladly do it
Hope I can buy you a beer on my return in November
Cheers
So maybe good news for all of you. I hope
But what I find funny is there is some guys on ATR 72 who use to fly big jet also and they were not invited to go on A 320
About Karl I dont know but I have this user name since at least 2 years
And is name is not Lind but Lund if I remember
Anyway if I have to change to make him happy I will gladly do it
Hope I can buy you a beer on my return in November
Cheers
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Just another question, has anyone ever not get his contract renew? And how long is the longest guy (on contract) in VAC?
Only if you really dont fit in....so to answer your question Yes, but very rare.
Dont quote me but approx 13 years...When the 767's first arrived. ( i think a russian or 2 were here even before that)
Only if you really dont fit in....so to answer your question Yes, but very rare.
Dont quote me but approx 13 years...When the 767's first arrived. ( i think a russian or 2 were here even before that)