SIA CARGO B747-400 Conversion course
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SIA CARGO B747-400 Conversion course
Hi everyone,
I am looking for some information regarding the B747-400 type conversion course with SIA CARGO,for direct entry FO without the type rating(duration of course,what does it consist,etc).
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I am looking for some information regarding the B747-400 type conversion course with SIA CARGO,for direct entry FO without the type rating(duration of course,what does it consist,etc).
Thank you
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Take this as a rough guide only as I did the DEC course many, many moons ago!
About two days of Admin, getting IDs, signing bonds etc. etc.
Commence ground school, CBT, three to four weeks including the final exam.
A week or so of Safety & Survival (including a swim in the pool!), performance, fuel planning, flight planning and air law.
During the above you will be expected, with your partner, (they pair you up, don't bother to ask!), to have familiarised yourself with the check-lists using the 'Cardboard Bomber'.
About eight sessions over about two weeks, (subject availability), of fixed base trainer. It used to be done in the SIM and some instructors would switch the motion on after about the first two sessions, which is a bonus.
About eight to ten sessions of full SIM including base check, IR, CatII/III.
I was lucky and did seven circuits in the actual aircraft, nothing like flying an empty 744 round the circuit!!! Not sure if this still happens or if you go from Full Flight Sim sessions to line training.
Expect to do a Europe, USA, Australian and a couple of local trips, probably adding up to a dozen or so sectors flown as PF/US, could be more, before a final line check.
From day one to 'released to the line', not less than about four months, it all depends on the availability of SIM, aircraft, instructors etc. etc.
Training was very positive, they want you to pass, don't bother telling them how you did it in your last airline!!!
Just a rough guide only as I'm a bit out of date now.
Best of luck.
About two days of Admin, getting IDs, signing bonds etc. etc.
Commence ground school, CBT, three to four weeks including the final exam.
A week or so of Safety & Survival (including a swim in the pool!), performance, fuel planning, flight planning and air law.
During the above you will be expected, with your partner, (they pair you up, don't bother to ask!), to have familiarised yourself with the check-lists using the 'Cardboard Bomber'.
About eight sessions over about two weeks, (subject availability), of fixed base trainer. It used to be done in the SIM and some instructors would switch the motion on after about the first two sessions, which is a bonus.
About eight to ten sessions of full SIM including base check, IR, CatII/III.
I was lucky and did seven circuits in the actual aircraft, nothing like flying an empty 744 round the circuit!!! Not sure if this still happens or if you go from Full Flight Sim sessions to line training.
Expect to do a Europe, USA, Australian and a couple of local trips, probably adding up to a dozen or so sectors flown as PF/US, could be more, before a final line check.
From day one to 'released to the line', not less than about four months, it all depends on the availability of SIM, aircraft, instructors etc. etc.
Training was very positive, they want you to pass, don't bother telling them how you did it in your last airline!!!
Just a rough guide only as I'm a bit out of date now.
Best of luck.
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Hi Blue
Your info are great, I'm going for interview and sim check tomorow, do they tell you right away if you fail?? so you don't have to go for medical check, and if you pass everything incld. medical how long do you have to wait until they call you up?? as I'm reated are the course be as initial conversion??
thank's Blue.
From my somewhat out-of-date experience!!! If you don't get asked to go for the medical I don't think you have passed, possibly they will tell you then or shortly after by letter. If you go for the medical they then apply for your work permit, minimum a month, also awaiting confirmation of a passed medical from the 'board'. The wait will depend on when they have courses running and how many are in front of you, could be three to six months. Best I can do. Cheers, BE
Your info are great, I'm going for interview and sim check tomorow, do they tell you right away if you fail?? so you don't have to go for medical check, and if you pass everything incld. medical how long do you have to wait until they call you up?? as I'm reated are the course be as initial conversion??
thank's Blue.From my somewhat out-of-date experience!!! If you don't get asked to go for the medical I don't think you have passed, possibly they will tell you then or shortly after by letter. If you go for the medical they then apply for your work permit, minimum a month, also awaiting confirmation of a passed medical from the 'board'. The wait will depend on when they have courses running and how many are in front of you, could be three to six months. Best I can do. Cheers, BE
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Blue Eagle,
What was your experience when you got in?
I went for DEC on the B744. 14,000TT, 2000 wide-body command, 4000 Boeing glass, all command. Over 10,000 on jets.
What was your experience when you got in?
I went for DEC on the B744. 14,000TT, 2000 wide-body command, 4000 Boeing glass, all command. Over 10,000 on jets.
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All I can suggest is that you submit a totally truthful application and see what they make of it. What they accepted a few years ago and what they will accept now could be totally different.
You sound as though they could well look at you for the B777 if you have substantial command time, you look as though you do.
Best of luck.
You sound as though they could well look at you for the B777 if you have substantial command time, you look as though you do.
Best of luck.
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I heard recently that a former Delta pilot (like myself) was interviewed for 747 DEC in late May, was hired, and has already completed his training. I interviewed in late Apr for 777 DEC and haven't heard a word other than my medical cleared and the employment pass clearance was being done (whatever that means...) Sounds to me if you want to get on with SIA quick and cargo is ok, the 747 DEC is by far the way to go. Another DAL pilot that I just talked to interviewed last OCT ('04) and still hasn't heard anthing.
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Obviously neither of you has a clue what you are talking about.
DEC onto the B744 without previous 744 experience required six circuits and one GA, the minimum accepted by the CAAS for licence issue, in those days. Ex SAA and QF 743 captains also did seven circuits because the aircraft and the time was available and no one in their right mind turns down such an opportunity.
Before leaping in with stupid and sarcastic comments it might help if you took the time and effort to establish a few facts.
Millerscourt, possibly the A340 only required four.
DEC onto the B744 without previous 744 experience required six circuits and one GA, the minimum accepted by the CAAS for licence issue, in those days. Ex SAA and QF 743 captains also did seven circuits because the aircraft and the time was available and no one in their right mind turns down such an opportunity.
Before leaping in with stupid and sarcastic comments it might help if you took the time and effort to establish a few facts.
Millerscourt, possibly the A340 only required four.
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Blue Eagle Calm down. Only poking fun at you not questioning your virility mate.
PS Ex SAA and QF DEC on B744's? That was years ago.No DEC's on B744 after '97 and until recently with SQ Cargo.
PS Ex SAA and QF DEC on B744's? That was years ago.No DEC's on B744 after '97 and until recently with SQ Cargo.
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dear blue eagle,
i wonder if you'd elaborate a little on why you mentioned that you thought sq might look at atuk for the 777,......
am in a similiar situation and am really keen on the cargo 744 ad...
appreciate your thoughts.
i wonder if you'd elaborate a little on why you mentioned that you thought sq might look at atuk for the 777,......
am in a similiar situation and am really keen on the cargo 744 ad...
appreciate your thoughts.
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For a DEC onto the B747 it was a requirement that you had to have at least 2000 hrs wide-body command in your log book out of a total of about 3000 hours command and 5000 TT.
I'm not up to date on SIA current policy so the best way for you to find out is to apply for B747 and see what they offer you, you may get B777. In your shoes I think I would invest in a telephone call and ask them outright what they would consider you for. Best of luck.
I'm not up to date on SIA current policy so the best way for you to find out is to apply for B747 and see what they offer you, you may get B777. In your shoes I think I would invest in a telephone call and ask them outright what they would consider you for. Best of luck.
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Tkoose,
I believe Blue Eagle is correct here. Although it doesn't state in the adverts that wide body command experience is required for the 744 I don't believe anyone has yet joined SIA Cargo without any. Conversely there are several who have joined the 777 fleet with 737 time or similar. If you have relevant experience Cargo would pay more than 777 but the choice is yours.
I believe Blue Eagle is correct here. Although it doesn't state in the adverts that wide body command experience is required for the 744 I don't believe anyone has yet joined SIA Cargo without any. Conversely there are several who have joined the 777 fleet with 737 time or similar. If you have relevant experience Cargo would pay more than 777 but the choice is yours.
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millerscourt & blueagle
thanks for info. yes, it wasn't mentioned in the ad. i should hope that it's now changed and that they will consider someone without heavy cmd time. i have however recently sent an application , and hope to hear more from them.
i would however be just as happy with a 777 chance.
thanks for help again.
thanks for info. yes, it wasn't mentioned in the ad. i should hope that it's now changed and that they will consider someone without heavy cmd time. i have however recently sent an application , and hope to hear more from them.
i would however be just as happy with a 777 chance.
thanks for help again.