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Well time to say something here....yes, we are not the best company to work and there are problems to be rectified....why we are still here is not by choice but just by the way how life works sometimes....yeah we know what every other airline is paying but you know, we simply can't just dump everything and go...we got committments and mouths to feed and a whole bunch of other agendas to keep our lives busy...
Despite all the crap that has been said, we really have good-hearted (mostly non-mgmt) people working and pulling things together and getting the job done safely, professionally, and efficiently. Conditions aren't great but we do what we can and deal with it.
Yes, most of us are working hard to get our hours and experience up so we can one day seek greener pastures somewhere else...so please cut us some slack for the time being...after all, we all are doing an honest job and earning a decent pay <in Malaysia>.
So for Wooblah, sorry Captain who?.... that sure is very professional on your part to make such comments. We aren't the airfarts nor are we are the useless monkeys that your ignorant assumptions are based on.... sure you and the others see us as a pile of mice crap but until pigs can fly, we useful bunch will still work hard, act professional while try to seek greener pastures.....
Eddie, sorry to hear about your story but a lot has to with our CYA management style and the despicable chocolate version of "Don Corleone". To summarize about TH, these are the culprits behind all this mess and these cowards should really be hanged.
Despite all the crap that has been said, we really have good-hearted (mostly non-mgmt) people working and pulling things together and getting the job done safely, professionally, and efficiently. Conditions aren't great but we do what we can and deal with it.
Yes, most of us are working hard to get our hours and experience up so we can one day seek greener pastures somewhere else...so please cut us some slack for the time being...after all, we all are doing an honest job and earning a decent pay <in Malaysia>.
So for Wooblah, sorry Captain who?.... that sure is very professional on your part to make such comments. We aren't the airfarts nor are we are the useless monkeys that your ignorant assumptions are based on.... sure you and the others see us as a pile of mice crap but until pigs can fly, we useful bunch will still work hard, act professional while try to seek greener pastures.....
Eddie, sorry to hear about your story but a lot has to with our CYA management style and the despicable chocolate version of "Don Corleone". To summarize about TH, these are the culprits behind all this mess and these cowards should really be hanged.
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most of us are working hard to get our hours and experience up so we can one day seek greener pastures somewhere else
At least Eddie showed he's got principles that he's willing to stand up for.
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Foreign worker,
I said it and I say it again based on my previous post. The wage is decent provided you keep the money and spend it in Malaysia. Of course if you convert to USD or Sterling Pounds, it is crap...but it goes back to.."let's compare apples to apples".
Do you have any clue what is an average Malaysian's salary? So mr matsaleh worker, why don't you enlighten us on what would you consider, in your most humblest opinion, is a "good" wage then....
So no, it's not an excuse. Malaysia isn't that big of a country in for aviation and choices aren't many. The decent folks in TH also got principles too....Eddie's not the only one.....
I said it and I say it again based on my previous post. The wage is decent provided you keep the money and spend it in Malaysia. Of course if you convert to USD or Sterling Pounds, it is crap...but it goes back to.."let's compare apples to apples".
Do you have any clue what is an average Malaysian's salary? So mr matsaleh worker, why don't you enlighten us on what would you consider, in your most humblest opinion, is a "good" wage then....
So no, it's not an excuse. Malaysia isn't that big of a country in for aviation and choices aren't many. The decent folks in TH also got principles too....Eddie's not the only one.....
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I'd stop wriggling and digging if I were you SB otherwise some of the grown ups will be rubbing your nose in that offer of apple to apple comparisons.
They might point out that many of the highest contract rates in the world are in the Far East.
They could draw your attention to the fact that Boeing and Airbus don't do third/developing world pricelists or specifications. Customers pay as little as they can but ultimately the world market rate. As it happens that rate is going up, up and away for the aircraft you guys fly. The same customers are your managers paying as little as they can get away with.
Some might be nasty enough to ask you to explain the specialised market economics whereby there is a huge Asian market for flying. Expansion plans are contantly hindered by lack of pilots and shortage of airframes. Meanwhile, experienced local pilots are leaving Malasia for the Middle East. Local training schools can't meet demand, don't have enough instructors and are particularly inefficient. However, wages remain stagnant? Shome Mastake shurely?
There is not a Malaysian rate for fuel, engines and avionics either. In fact the only thing your bosses can play ace MBA, super manager with is wages and local infrastructure costs. You make them feel special each and every day because there's actually bugger all they can do with the costs of running an airline other than leaning on the likes of you.
The crueler of the experienced people might even be unpleasant enough to take the questioning to the next step.
Once you've slummed it to get some narrow body hours will you, or others working with you do exactly the same thing to get widebody hours, or an airbus rating, a switch to another country or even a more respected ATPL?
Ultimately will there ever again be a respectable side of the industry for you to cross over to because of your actions now?
Are you going to change? Nah. Still as long as the collective 'you' know you are going to reap what you sow for a whole career.
I'd suggest folks reread the main post from snot box before replying to this note from me. Anyone with a cursory understanding of English will know from the very first paragraph SB understands every point I've made and is a foot shuffling apologist desperately hoping that there will be something decent left for any of us to go to in the future.
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They might point out that many of the highest contract rates in the world are in the Far East.
They could draw your attention to the fact that Boeing and Airbus don't do third/developing world pricelists or specifications. Customers pay as little as they can but ultimately the world market rate. As it happens that rate is going up, up and away for the aircraft you guys fly. The same customers are your managers paying as little as they can get away with.
Some might be nasty enough to ask you to explain the specialised market economics whereby there is a huge Asian market for flying. Expansion plans are contantly hindered by lack of pilots and shortage of airframes. Meanwhile, experienced local pilots are leaving Malasia for the Middle East. Local training schools can't meet demand, don't have enough instructors and are particularly inefficient. However, wages remain stagnant? Shome Mastake shurely?
There is not a Malaysian rate for fuel, engines and avionics either. In fact the only thing your bosses can play ace MBA, super manager with is wages and local infrastructure costs. You make them feel special each and every day because there's actually bugger all they can do with the costs of running an airline other than leaning on the likes of you.
The crueler of the experienced people might even be unpleasant enough to take the questioning to the next step.
Once you've slummed it to get some narrow body hours will you, or others working with you do exactly the same thing to get widebody hours, or an airbus rating, a switch to another country or even a more respected ATPL?
Ultimately will there ever again be a respectable side of the industry for you to cross over to because of your actions now?
Are you going to change? Nah. Still as long as the collective 'you' know you are going to reap what you sow for a whole career.
I'd suggest folks reread the main post from snot box before replying to this note from me. Anyone with a cursory understanding of English will know from the very first paragraph SB understands every point I've made and is a foot shuffling apologist desperately hoping that there will be something decent left for any of us to go to in the future.
Regards
Rob
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Thank you PPT, for "expandising" my poorly paraphrased comment.
If you can assimilate a little of some of the other posts, SB, you might begin to understand that you - by your curent actions - are only creating a rod for your own (future) back, by using the rationale you have, for that which you (already) did???!!!!
Like Eddie, we all need to draw a "line in the sand" to protect ourselves ( our futures), from ourselves.
Undercutting established, or perceived, market rates is only going to haft oneself farther down the line, as each pilot tries to "gain enough experience to move to the next rung."
It is up to each and every one of us to "hold the line" - meaning there might be some short - medium term foregoings, for longer term, long term improvements.
If you can assimilate a little of some of the other posts, SB, you might begin to understand that you - by your curent actions - are only creating a rod for your own (future) back, by using the rationale you have, for that which you (already) did???!!!!
Like Eddie, we all need to draw a "line in the sand" to protect ourselves ( our futures), from ourselves.
Undercutting established, or perceived, market rates is only going to haft oneself farther down the line, as each pilot tries to "gain enough experience to move to the next rung."
It is up to each and every one of us to "hold the line" - meaning there might be some short - medium term foregoings, for longer term, long term improvements.
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SB, CoL and KY seems to be working for the same company eh, . . . . . hee hee hee
carefull what you say, might spell out who you are and your management people might catch you, . . . .haa haa haa ('
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carefull what you say, might spell out who you are and your management people might catch you, . . . .haa haa haa ('
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They are probably too busy watching "Baywatch". This is turning out to be a real soap opera.
eddie,
I sympathise with your situation but not all the guys at Transmile are monsters. You just happen to meet the two worst s*%#heads in the company. I have friend's who are in Transmile but not b'cos they love the company but they had to. Due to the fact that there are no valid offers from MAS, Berjaya, Tiger, CX, Valuair, SQ, SILK or Air Asia, they had to join Transmile so that he or she can put food on the table for their family.
My advise, READ THE FINE PRINT and ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE, most company's here will s*&$# you where they can.
Have a jolly time flying
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Well Snottie & Others At TM,
The point here is that you are responsible for the terms and conditions that you recieve. You are willing to work for lower wages and 4th world conditions. You accept overweight aircraft struggling to climb ex WMSA we have all timed yoür climb schedules from time to time. We all know a few TM employees and the story from within is always the same. Poor maintenance, poor salaries, no writing in the tech log and yes a very very airfart mentality. After all most of you guys come from the rmaf so the culture has just crossed the fence.
You mention that bits fell off at Macau and transponders are in the cockpit just for show. Come on man if it stinks stop holding your nose and telling the world that it smells like roses.
If as you say it is OK then please dont leave stay there and make your boss rich like a good surf.
But the reality of the situation is that all of you are just dying to leave the place for better conditions and pay.
Respect or accolades I dont need any, and as far as I´m concerned I sleep well at night and throughout my career have always tried to do the right thing and help others whenever I could. But regarding most and I say most airfarts not all. They are just a lost cause, back stabbing each other undercutting each other for promotions and positions and trying to bring this culture and mentality into commercial aviation. In the rmaf it is a buddy buddy system and so i is at TM.
Wake up and look at the real world for a change.
Wooblah.
The point here is that you are responsible for the terms and conditions that you recieve. You are willing to work for lower wages and 4th world conditions. You accept overweight aircraft struggling to climb ex WMSA we have all timed yoür climb schedules from time to time. We all know a few TM employees and the story from within is always the same. Poor maintenance, poor salaries, no writing in the tech log and yes a very very airfart mentality. After all most of you guys come from the rmaf so the culture has just crossed the fence.
You mention that bits fell off at Macau and transponders are in the cockpit just for show. Come on man if it stinks stop holding your nose and telling the world that it smells like roses.
If as you say it is OK then please dont leave stay there and make your boss rich like a good surf.
But the reality of the situation is that all of you are just dying to leave the place for better conditions and pay.
Respect or accolades I dont need any, and as far as I´m concerned I sleep well at night and throughout my career have always tried to do the right thing and help others whenever I could. But regarding most and I say most airfarts not all. They are just a lost cause, back stabbing each other undercutting each other for promotions and positions and trying to bring this culture and mentality into commercial aviation. In the rmaf it is a buddy buddy system and so i is at TM.
Wake up and look at the real world for a change.
Wooblah.
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Thank You, Capitan Wooblah,
One big question though, . . . will anybody accept their flying hours on those flying JUNK metals??? . . . . . hah hah hah
PS.
No punt intended, . . . I had to say that coz there's one guy from TM who always refer to his aircraft type as B727 Dinosaur, . . . . (I heard it it JKT when he dida turn back due to LE Flapsproblems) and I heard that's the guy to talk to about the engine part falling on the runway in Macau, . . . might be wrong but I heard he's had enough and going to leave soon, . . . .
Ah, . . . rumours, rumours, rumours, . . . . so 25% pay rise and 50% productivity increase is what I heard in MAS, . . . . . the Question is when TOADDY BONZAI going to get HACKED??? I already know who wants to take his place, . . . . good luck to MAS maaaan, . . . .
L_D, . . . . that's long distance from all these ****, . . . and happy.
One big question though, . . . will anybody accept their flying hours on those flying JUNK metals??? . . . . . hah hah hah
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No punt intended, . . . I had to say that coz there's one guy from TM who always refer to his aircraft type as B727 Dinosaur, . . . . (I heard it it JKT when he dida turn back due to LE Flapsproblems) and I heard that's the guy to talk to about the engine part falling on the runway in Macau, . . . might be wrong but I heard he's had enough and going to leave soon, . . . .
Ah, . . . rumours, rumours, rumours, . . . . so 25% pay rise and 50% productivity increase is what I heard in MAS, . . . . . the Question is when TOADDY BONZAI going to get HACKED??? I already know who wants to take his place, . . . . good luck to MAS maaaan, . . . .
L_D, . . . . that's long distance from all these ****, . . . and happy.
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Thank you Captain Wooblah, for oultining that the same mentality and airfartness is happenning at MAS. If not for the mentality of "cadets only club", more pilots would have joined but since the outside world including the locals deserves 2 year contract and bugger benefits, what choices do others have of job security but join Air Asia (AK) and Transmile (TH). By the way, when you timed the climb, were they doing best angle climb or high speed climb.........
Lorry Driver - I think the guy at JKT refered to the aircraft as "JURASSIC", and he was ex-MAS and looking to go back.
I may be a sentimental old fool but I would not criticise the aircraft that I am earning my wages off. You know what they say, treat the lady well, they will do the same.
Have a jolly flight
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Accepting Overweight Aircraft is Illegal, I doubt anyone would or has risked it that. Basically The 72 is old and underpowered regrettably like the ole 70 hence lower performance. Rather like the ole classic struggling out of LHR really. Whatever Im waffling like this thread know, Regards.
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Well Jolly Old Chap,
"I may be a sentimental old fool but I would not criticise the aircraft that I am earning my wages off. You know what they say, treat the lady well, they will do the same."
Try treating a modern day lady with "okay whatever you say darling - be nice, you know, and she will dry your bank accaount m8, . . . . hee hee hee" In RMAF you can say that coz the Gov owns you, man . . . but in the civilian company if you become a yes man, . . . they will drain your brain & body to gain millions of dollars from you m8 !!#$@%$!#@^$&%^(*@^#$!
Oh ya, it's very bad to indentify people like that, . . . it can get them into trouble you know!!! I don't know this bloke but i'm sure he's got reasons to be displeased with his working conditions. The way you point him out, he could have crossed paths with me in the Mid-East betw. 1995 - 1997, when I was with Qatari, flying the same bird (I was B727 & he B742). Didn't mix much with him but he must be damned good coz the CEO loved him and gave him an office job, even though he was an F/O and later i heard the CEO was going to make him B742 skipper, but the CEO was forced to leave and so this guy also left and taht was the last I heard of him. (mind you, he wasn't an arse licker, . . . I was told he really knew his stuff and left MAS b'coz of ex-wife problems - NOT flying)
Anyway, this thread belongs to Eddie and the topic is Transmile (TH is it?) and operating out of SAAS???
It could reason out like this:-
Since B-727's are out of production and dinosaurs are extinct, they come into the same category and dinosaurs are depicted in "JURASSIC PARK" the movie, SAAS must look like the park in the movie, so this guy being the jovial guy that we used to know (if it is him, of-course) I can roughly guess that he would come up with something like this:- "Transmile is Operating Dinosaurs Out Of Jurassic Park", . . . . that would be my educated guess.
So Eddy, . . . you made a wise decission to stay away from TH, . . . go fly a newer airplane m8, the 734 that you were flying is far better, . . . as for me, I'm enjoying the A-300-600R and hoping to get the A340-500/600 in a few years mate, . . . .
PS,
The Qatari Advance B727-200's had JT8D-17R engines, . . . . what engines are you blokes in TH flying? If it is anything less than this, then it is NOT the weight but you better tell your bosses to upgrade the engines b'coz the Advance comes with -17 engines and Super Advance with -17R engines, . . . the slow climb must be due to under-powered engines. We use mode "A" speed and the aircraft shoots with 340/.840/340 clmb/crz/des speeds, if you have -9/-11/-15 engines then your bosses are really taking you for a ride, . . . . (you know CUT COST)
bye bye, . . . and Fly Safely guys . . .
"I may be a sentimental old fool but I would not criticise the aircraft that I am earning my wages off. You know what they say, treat the lady well, they will do the same."
Try treating a modern day lady with "okay whatever you say darling - be nice, you know, and she will dry your bank accaount m8, . . . . hee hee hee" In RMAF you can say that coz the Gov owns you, man . . . but in the civilian company if you become a yes man, . . . they will drain your brain & body to gain millions of dollars from you m8 !!#$@%$!#@^$&%^(*@^#$!
Oh ya, it's very bad to indentify people like that, . . . it can get them into trouble you know!!! I don't know this bloke but i'm sure he's got reasons to be displeased with his working conditions. The way you point him out, he could have crossed paths with me in the Mid-East betw. 1995 - 1997, when I was with Qatari, flying the same bird (I was B727 & he B742). Didn't mix much with him but he must be damned good coz the CEO loved him and gave him an office job, even though he was an F/O and later i heard the CEO was going to make him B742 skipper, but the CEO was forced to leave and so this guy also left and taht was the last I heard of him. (mind you, he wasn't an arse licker, . . . I was told he really knew his stuff and left MAS b'coz of ex-wife problems - NOT flying)
Anyway, this thread belongs to Eddie and the topic is Transmile (TH is it?) and operating out of SAAS???
It could reason out like this:-
Since B-727's are out of production and dinosaurs are extinct, they come into the same category and dinosaurs are depicted in "JURASSIC PARK" the movie, SAAS must look like the park in the movie, so this guy being the jovial guy that we used to know (if it is him, of-course) I can roughly guess that he would come up with something like this:- "Transmile is Operating Dinosaurs Out Of Jurassic Park", . . . . that would be my educated guess.
So Eddy, . . . you made a wise decission to stay away from TH, . . . go fly a newer airplane m8, the 734 that you were flying is far better, . . . as for me, I'm enjoying the A-300-600R and hoping to get the A340-500/600 in a few years mate, . . . .
PS,
The Qatari Advance B727-200's had JT8D-17R engines, . . . . what engines are you blokes in TH flying? If it is anything less than this, then it is NOT the weight but you better tell your bosses to upgrade the engines b'coz the Advance comes with -17 engines and Super Advance with -17R engines, . . . the slow climb must be due to under-powered engines. We use mode "A" speed and the aircraft shoots with 340/.840/340 clmb/crz/des speeds, if you have -9/-11/-15 engines then your bosses are really taking you for a ride, . . . . (you know CUT COST)
bye bye, . . . and Fly Safely guys . . .
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That's Malaysia lah....If they can screw you they will!!!
Someone that holds a CPL/IR (frozen atpl) from ANY other country apart from the mighty UK MUST sit CAA 6's (ATPL) CA 2, Air law 1&2, HPL, IR fligth test.... The s*it starts with DCA and the tosser Mr Williams....
Then Transmile will NOW offer you a job if YOU pay for a type rating.... I heard as of last week a few POSSIBLE pilots have turned down offers from Transmile due to this NEW policy of having to buy a type rating....
Malaysia is a brothel....sell yourself and then go fly a REAL airline...
Someone that holds a CPL/IR (frozen atpl) from ANY other country apart from the mighty UK MUST sit CAA 6's (ATPL) CA 2, Air law 1&2, HPL, IR fligth test.... The s*it starts with DCA and the tosser Mr Williams....
Then Transmile will NOW offer you a job if YOU pay for a type rating.... I heard as of last week a few POSSIBLE pilots have turned down offers from Transmile due to this NEW policy of having to buy a type rating....
Malaysia is a brothel....sell yourself and then go fly a REAL airline...
