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Any information regarding the on going recruitment at Air Asia is appreciated. Few questions: Are they hiring expat pilots now? what is pay like and schedules?
Those fancy baseball cap (red) really looks good on the web site, not to mention the lovely ladies in red.... hi hi hi
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Those fancy baseball cap (red) really looks good on the web site, not to mention the lovely ladies in red.... hi hi hi
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Hi Cargo Rat, the situation at AirAsia at the moment is one of constant recruitment. The airline is expanding at a great speed and before too long Malaysia is going to run out of qualified pilots. The cadet pilots are, I believe going to be starting training next month but it will take at least 15 months or so barring retakes and so forth before AA can consider them. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that there's going to be a shortage somewhere amongst the F/O's and Capt and from what I hear and this is coming direct from the horses mouth AA will be prepared to take expats. So chaps if you're ready for a ride on one of the fastest growing airline in the world then get your CV's prime and ready cos I reckon in the next 6 months or so there's going to be a need.
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Hmmm... Good news but just wondering why AirAsia management hasn't considered the ample supply of great chaps of fellow FOs( all Malaysians of different races with excellent aptitude and attitude) from SQ who are just waiting for a chance for a decent pay(guys here with 6-7years seniority are getting about RM16K/mth with provident fund included) with immediate chance for command. I think some adjustment of pay upwards from AirAsia for their Capts will do it, at least according to some of the FOs that I know. Right now AA's pay of approx RM10K/mth(I stand corrected..) for their Capts won't really do much to attract this group of pilots I reckon.
[1US$ approx 1.7SGD approx 3.8RM]
I personally think it's a steal of century for AA since SQ already done most of the training and groomed them to be experienced operators and moreover they don't know how to treat their pilots with some respect. And at 7year the guys will have just finished their bond with SQ, a one year on RHS on the 737 and follow by command will definitely have certain attraction to them.
As for the rest, all the best in your pursue with this shinny new carrier...
[1US$ approx 1.7SGD approx 3.8RM]
I personally think it's a steal of century for AA since SQ already done most of the training and groomed them to be experienced operators and moreover they don't know how to treat their pilots with some respect. And at 7year the guys will have just finished their bond with SQ, a one year on RHS on the 737 and follow by command will definitely have certain attraction to them.
As for the rest, all the best in your pursue with this shinny new carrier...
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Here is something I heard from another pilot. It may not be accurate. If it is please correct me.
Air Asia recruits low time pilots as F/O and after simulater training make them sign a bond for 5 years or RM65k if they decide to quit during the period. Experienced new hire pilots are offered Rm3500/month plus flight pay of Rm75/hr. With a maximum 90hrs/month total take home pay would be around Rm7k, after deduction of pension etc.
Does that sound correct?
Air Asia recruits low time pilots as F/O and after simulater training make them sign a bond for 5 years or RM65k if they decide to quit during the period. Experienced new hire pilots are offered Rm3500/month plus flight pay of Rm75/hr. With a maximum 90hrs/month total take home pay would be around Rm7k, after deduction of pension etc.
Does that sound correct?
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Air Asia is a budjet airline.
1st and foremost, the business model of AA is that of a budjet & no frills airline.That is why it is making money & expanding in the 1st place.So attracting Capt's & FO's looking for a more attractive package or adjusting their pay upwards would not be a top priority especially if they can still get pilots.However, they are expanding and by 2005 their fleet will grow from the present 7 to about 18 737s and they do need pilots.
So they do attract low hours and obviously non type rated FO's. DEC requires a minimum of 4000H total with at least 1000jet or heavy turbo props(ex AF?). So they will pay for your type rating and you will have to pay it back by montly deductions which will take years.Surprisingly DEC are not required to do so.
Take home pay is in the region of RM 6K for F0 & RM 10K Capt.Relatively this is decent pay in Malaysia.The days of paying expats & benefits are probably over.There are no night stops,again this is to save AA money.According to CEO Tony Fernandez, if you are dreaming of flying a widebody on AA,you can forget about it.Business model is for a single type with fast turn around time and this means sticking to 737.
So it is a bit of a win win situation: if you are a low hours FO,you get to built up hours fast an you get paid for it and maybe you'll seek greener pasture after your payments & bonding are over or stay to go LHS which will definitely be faster than in MAS. AA get to employ cheap FO as a result. As for Capts, most of them prefers to be home at night and not seeking for the long haul frequent nite stops sort of flying.
So depending on where you stand and what you seek,AA may be just the kind of place you are looking for.Remember that there's always potential in a profitable and dynamic company like AA.Cheers all.
So they do attract low hours and obviously non type rated FO's. DEC requires a minimum of 4000H total with at least 1000jet or heavy turbo props(ex AF?). So they will pay for your type rating and you will have to pay it back by montly deductions which will take years.Surprisingly DEC are not required to do so.
Take home pay is in the region of RM 6K for F0 & RM 10K Capt.Relatively this is decent pay in Malaysia.The days of paying expats & benefits are probably over.There are no night stops,again this is to save AA money.According to CEO Tony Fernandez, if you are dreaming of flying a widebody on AA,you can forget about it.Business model is for a single type with fast turn around time and this means sticking to 737.
So it is a bit of a win win situation: if you are a low hours FO,you get to built up hours fast an you get paid for it and maybe you'll seek greener pasture after your payments & bonding are over or stay to go LHS which will definitely be faster than in MAS. AA get to employ cheap FO as a result. As for Capts, most of them prefers to be home at night and not seeking for the long haul frequent nite stops sort of flying.
So depending on where you stand and what you seek,AA may be just the kind of place you are looking for.Remember that there's always potential in a profitable and dynamic company like AA.Cheers all.
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Command Time??
Hey Guys,
How long does it take to get command on 737 in AirAsia? How's lifestyle in that airline? Just curious,.by the way, does anybody know bout the selection and interview process for AirAsia? The stages and stuff like that... Any pilots in there....??
When the weather turns bad, I-Fly-River(IFR)!!
How long does it take to get command on 737 in AirAsia? How's lifestyle in that airline? Just curious,.by the way, does anybody know bout the selection and interview process for AirAsia? The stages and stuff like that... Any pilots in there....??
When the weather turns bad, I-Fly-River(IFR)!!
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if you are dreaming of flying a widebody on AA, you can forget about it.
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it's definitely not AA
I remember last year crossin paths (I think at KL) with an Air Asia 747 classic.
~Fernandes said the carrier, which started with only two Boeing 737 aircraft two years ago, would take delivery of a leased aircraft - the eighth in its fleet - by the end of the week.
He said the company was projecting for a 3.4 million passenger load in the financial year ending June 2004, up from 1.4 million a year ago.
“In the first quarter to September, we recorded a load factor of 84% and nearly 99% in October,” he added
I am operating in the region and cross paths almost everyday in KL and can tell you that AA don't operate 747 classic.I'd be in the queue for a position if it did.
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It is indeed AA
Slasher's eyesight isn't failing him, it was indeed an AA 747 classic. 
The a/c was wet leased for the Haj charter when AA was handling the Haj contract.Unfortunately for AA, MH has won the rights to operate the next 3 season of Haj, starting this year.
As a point of interest, even though AA's pilots salary is lower than MH, they have been giving out good profit sharing bonuses, which would offset for the differences in the pay.
Fly safe all!
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The a/c was wet leased for the Haj charter when AA was handling the Haj contract.Unfortunately for AA, MH has won the rights to operate the next 3 season of Haj, starting this year.
As a point of interest, even though AA's pilots salary is lower than MH, they have been giving out good profit sharing bonuses, which would offset for the differences in the pay.
Fly safe all!
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Yeh Pilost Ive heard news off the grape-vine on how A.A. up the low pay by paying profit-sharing bonuses to staff. Latest Ive been told was 6 months is expected in 2003? Thats not bad realy.
And yeh I thought that 747 classic in A.A. livery may be a x-hire, but havin vacated 32L at KL at the time when he was way over the other side taxeying for 32R I couldnt see the rego.
And yeh I thought that 747 classic in A.A. livery may be a x-hire, but havin vacated 32L at KL at the time when he was way over the other side taxeying for 32R I couldnt see the rego.
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The 747's were leased from EAL. British flight crew and local cabin crew operated it. There are no plans for widebody for the company. Just more 737's at the moment. For local pilots it is a good opportunity, but Expats are not being hired yet. That should change soon as demand increases but most probably rated crew will be wanted. But aviation is fluid so nothing is confirmed for sure. Hopefully expansion continues as planned. Anything more than one months bonus will definitely be a bonous but 6 months is wishfull thinking and unrealistic for a young growing company. Air Asia needs the profit funds for ongoing aircraft aquisition and for improving the quality of thier product. Then with that they hope to make even bigger and better priofits to share in the future. Things are good here and though they will need pilots, they just won't take anybody. Quality crews are wanted in line with the Air Asia culture. Good Luck to those applying.
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I wouldnt really say that theres all that amount of quality in AA especially when most of the operators there are new to airline flying and let alone the 737, they do have a few ex mas retirees who are good, and so are a few more from ex pelangi and all, but i do have my doubts about the ones from the forces, since over a few beers i have heard some stories about training and the style of training, very military. Thats not good for civil flying.
One incident is all its going to take to close the airline down.
One incident is all its going to take to close the airline down.
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As far as the low cost carriers in the UK go, you can take easyJet and shove it straight up your ***. Id take Air Asia on half the pay anyday. At least you would have a kickass lifestyle. Down at Bangsar 3 times a week. Staggering from Hard Rock, up the Jalan Sultan Ismail to the sheraton every weekend. Fantastic. Where do I sign up? Somebody save me from Europe!!
No more about Kuala Lumpur I beg you..... I cry myself to sleep at least once a week thinking about that life .... and here I am scraping the frost of my car at 6am before heading for london. What am I doing????
No more about Kuala Lumpur I beg you..... I cry myself to sleep at least once a week thinking about that life .... and here I am scraping the frost of my car at 6am before heading for london. What am I doing????
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The thing about profit share is it always has strings attached, and they are never strings that can be strummed in the employees favour. If you are thinking about taking a job that has a large profit share element, it is imperative that you seek out the breakdown of how that will be paid, and the equation that will be used to work out the level of "profit"... operators the World over are not averse to having a profit share element that SEEMS to be very beneficial for employees, and indeed will be, but will have a backdoor way out if they THINK the next year will be tough. I think of a Cucumber-sandwich type tail colour scheme here, and speak from experience pre-B scales.
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Care to elaborate? So the SQ that took off the wrong runway, were military trained then were they?
That's an unprofessional remark and probably hint that you have an inferiority complex.These ex military aviators are trained above and beyond airline flying & the aircrafts that they fly are probably better equipped than some 737.
When the **** hits the ceiling,Captain incapicitated,AP out,foul weather into non precison airfied.I 'd rather have an ex mil who have more hand flown hours sitting on the RHS. Or if you are captain in abnormal/emergency who'd you'd rather rely on. A greenhorn with little or no SA or a seasoned flyer who can perform under stress.
They are hardworking disclipined and humble.That's probably why you don't even know that they are ex mil.They are also professional enough to maintain a low profile eventhough they are more experienced and probably are better aviators than some LHS.I hope some of your doubts are removed.
You are right though to say that only one incident is all it takes.So if you have a chance,ask who AA prefers?
i have heard some stories about training and the style of training, very military. Thats not good for civil flying.
That's an unprofessional remark and probably hint that you have an inferiority complex.These ex military aviators are trained above and beyond airline flying & the aircrafts that they fly are probably better equipped than some 737.
When the **** hits the ceiling,Captain incapicitated,AP out,foul weather into non precison airfied.I 'd rather have an ex mil who have more hand flown hours sitting on the RHS. Or if you are captain in abnormal/emergency who'd you'd rather rely on. A greenhorn with little or no SA or a seasoned flyer who can perform under stress.
They are hardworking disclipined and humble.That's probably why you don't even know that they are ex mil.They are also professional enough to maintain a low profile eventhough they are more experienced and probably are better aviators than some LHS.I hope some of your doubts are removed.
You are right though to say that only one incident is all it takes.So if you have a chance,ask who AA prefers?
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9M-JON, i dont know what sort of aviation back ground u might come from, but the guys who have been trained locally have had problems adjusting to civilian flying here locally. I do admit, i myself have been trained by some of the best military pilots in the world and admired them for their skills, but what happens back home is a different culture among these gallant men. The culture in the asian military is very evident, lets have a look at korean, asiana, china, Sq, mh and even garuda. These are all airlines who have had major problems in relation to CRM.
Old school of thought that has been brought into the airline culture, where i am the captain and u dont touch anything till i say so. We are all trained professionaly as airline pilots but we do not need these sort of flying attitudes in civilian flying. These are what causes crashes and incidents.
Old school of thought that has been brought into the airline culture, where i am the captain and u dont touch anything till i say so. We are all trained professionaly as airline pilots but we do not need these sort of flying attitudes in civilian flying. These are what causes crashes and incidents.
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I'm sure all of us can come out with all sort of personal claims and assertions regarding good and bad CRM experiences with both ex-military or ab-initial... Here's mine..
I have 2 separate cases where I had flown with one old timer Captain with no military background of which flight I nearly off-loaded myself and the other with a humble ex-airforce young lad that impressed me most with his profound knowlegde in his operations and provided one of best supports ever...
How much would you believe me and can we ever come to a conclusion or a definite answer regarding this issue??
Let's not get into an infinite useless discussions and bashing of any sides as you and I know it's utterly irrelevant to do so and I think it's entirely up to the individual's behaviour when it comes to deciding what sort of background makes the best commercial airline pilots.. it depends on how much he/she understands "teamwork" overall in the flight deck and enforcing "command"(if he/she is a Capt) qualities when situation calls for it.
Cheers to all.
I have 2 separate cases where I had flown with one old timer Captain with no military background of which flight I nearly off-loaded myself and the other with a humble ex-airforce young lad that impressed me most with his profound knowlegde in his operations and provided one of best supports ever...
How much would you believe me and can we ever come to a conclusion or a definite answer regarding this issue??
Let's not get into an infinite useless discussions and bashing of any sides as you and I know it's utterly irrelevant to do so and I think it's entirely up to the individual's behaviour when it comes to deciding what sort of background makes the best commercial airline pilots.. it depends on how much he/she understands "teamwork" overall in the flight deck and enforcing "command"(if he/she is a Capt) qualities when situation calls for it.
Cheers to all.
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9M-JON until your called "a bloodey useless bucket of maggot ****" during your 1st and subsequant line-training flight and abused right up till (and during) your line check youll never know whats its realy like bein trained military-style.
While AF trainees are considered dirtbags by there superiors until they have proven themselves, fortunatley this thinking evolved into extinction within civil circles. It doesnt take a high IQ to realise each sim/line training exercise decreases in value if your made to feel like complete dog**** every time you strap into the seat. And such methods merely extend the training required of the trainee (hes too scared to ask questions!) which has no place in cost-conscous airlines. Mind you AFTER youve passed your AF-style LT the ensueing p!ssup can be legendary!
But if your an experienced driver wantin a full and thorough aerobatic course then an AF instructor is the only way to go.
While AF trainees are considered dirtbags by there superiors until they have proven themselves, fortunatley this thinking evolved into extinction within civil circles. It doesnt take a high IQ to realise each sim/line training exercise decreases in value if your made to feel like complete dog**** every time you strap into the seat. And such methods merely extend the training required of the trainee (hes too scared to ask questions!) which has no place in cost-conscous airlines. Mind you AFTER youve passed your AF-style LT the ensueing p!ssup can be legendary!
But if your an experienced driver wantin a full and thorough aerobatic course then an AF instructor is the only way to go.